As an artfag myself, I've tried to explain to multiple people that literally nothing stops me from saving their art and training the AI on my consumer grade desktop GPU. It doesn't take long to get results - 4 hours of training and the AI can recognizably mimic the style.
There is NO stopping this. It can't be stopped. They can protest all they like, it will effect nothing now that the code is already out there. Anyone can train their own AI, and there is simply no way to stop them training it on anything they like.
The thing artists have going for themselves should be themselves and their creativity. This is the point where they should show it and not get pissy in twitter of all places. I've got one artist I follow who I could easy train an AI on, but why should I? Is already making good art and I am happy with that.
Meanwhile I am playing around with the AI to learn how to do certain stuff with it and refine work flows for it. I've also used it on my own art and that worked pretty well too.
This exactly. You can train a program to generate a picture in the style of Rembrandt, but it's not a Rembrandt. I thought people at ArtStation especially would understand that. When we follow someone, we want their original work.
If I were an artist who ever intended to make any sort of living, I would give serious consideration what medium my original work is in, even if I had to learn a new one. There's a reason why dudes on youtube are selling live edge epoxy tabletops for thousands of dollars and a lot of artists facing this new tech work for pennies. I've always wanted to learn plaster relief making myself. AI won't be doing that for some time.
Even then, there's people who just make amazing art. I follow at least a couple artists who cannot be replaced by AI because they have got the amazing ideas, Ai can't imitate that. It's just the mediocre artists of the ones who do not plan to grow at all that are angry right now.
The true tragedy would be using this technology to imitate calarts dropouts lazy, cut corners 'style' of beanmouth garbage that likely make up an inordinate amount of those objecting.
At this point the ethics of AI are irrelevant. as others have put it, the genie is out of the bottle. Barring a collapse of the internet or personal computer ownership, it is never going back in.
In this 2015 GDC talk, One Pixel Brush's Shaddy Saffadi argues that what AAA games need now are not concept artists but concept designers with a refined sensibility for storytelling, shape design and cinematic lighting.
As one of the comments says:
Base line: If you're good at cheating, do it. It's worth it and you can focus on other things
Okay, since I'm out of the loop here what programs are out there that do this. I mean I've heard of some AI art stuff but it was pretty mediocre at best. Is there something out there or is these just people scared of something in the future that doesn't even exist yet?
They can't really stop people from downloading their images and using them as training data. Especially if the AI isn't being used to sell a product.
As an artfag myself, I've tried to explain to multiple people that literally nothing stops me from saving their art and training the AI on my consumer grade desktop GPU. It doesn't take long to get results - 4 hours of training and the AI can recognizably mimic the style.
There is NO stopping this. It can't be stopped. They can protest all they like, it will effect nothing now that the code is already out there. Anyone can train their own AI, and there is simply no way to stop them training it on anything they like.
The Rat WILL get his cut
the rat is a bit sick right now if we're thinking of the same one.
I think the rat is the one that started this. They get to pretend to support IP, and the little guy.
The thing artists have going for themselves should be themselves and their creativity. This is the point where they should show it and not get pissy in twitter of all places. I've got one artist I follow who I could easy train an AI on, but why should I? Is already making good art and I am happy with that.
Meanwhile I am playing around with the AI to learn how to do certain stuff with it and refine work flows for it. I've also used it on my own art and that worked pretty well too.
This exactly. You can train a program to generate a picture in the style of Rembrandt, but it's not a Rembrandt. I thought people at ArtStation especially would understand that. When we follow someone, we want their original work.
If I were an artist who ever intended to make any sort of living, I would give serious consideration what medium my original work is in, even if I had to learn a new one. There's a reason why dudes on youtube are selling live edge epoxy tabletops for thousands of dollars and a lot of artists facing this new tech work for pennies. I've always wanted to learn plaster relief making myself. AI won't be doing that for some time.
Even then, there's people who just make amazing art. I follow at least a couple artists who cannot be replaced by AI because they have got the amazing ideas, Ai can't imitate that. It's just the mediocre artists of the ones who do not plan to grow at all that are angry right now.
This is as effective as trying to use sailing ships against a steel warship
You can't stop this kind of progress and development as it's based on mechanisation.
More like standing on the beach and protesting the existence of steel warships because you build sailing ships.
Reminds me of the Luddites, only there won't even be smashing of machinery.
Oh my god, mediocre talent is virtue signalling rather than doing something about a nothing burger. How will we all sleep at night?
Un-talented big-boob-anime artists seething over people no longer wanting to do overpriced commissions because they're coomers lmao.
I don't know what they're upset about. Art has been dead for at least a century at this point. Might as well let the computers have a go at it.
I bet if you asked AI to draw 4 Campbell's soup cans it would come up with a better picture.
And it can draw a soup can in the style of H. Geiger or whatever you could think of. The alien from Alien spooning a bowl of soup.
The true tragedy would be using this technology to imitate calarts dropouts lazy, cut corners 'style' of beanmouth garbage that likely make up an inordinate amount of those objecting.
Of all the AI generated stuff I've seen, literally none of it has mimicked CalArts. Mostly it's been huge anime tiddies.
Even the AI finds calarts repulsive trash that doesn't deserve to be called art and should be burned along with the artist who drew it.
At this point the ethics of AI are irrelevant. as others have put it, the genie is out of the bottle. Barring a collapse of the internet or personal computer ownership, it is never going back in.
Exactly. This is the same situation as 3D printed firearms. The software and data are already out on the internet. It's too late to stop it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYbYvImd7Bw
"Concept Art is Dead"
As one of the comments says:
Okay, since I'm out of the loop here what programs are out there that do this. I mean I've heard of some AI art stuff but it was pretty mediocre at best. Is there something out there or is these just people scared of something in the future that doesn't even exist yet?