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Sometimes They Tell You What They Really Think
posted 3 years ago by Unknownsailor 3 years ago by Unknownsailor +31 / -0
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– Ateallthecrayons 20 points 3 years ago +20 / -0

Yep, figuratively burn the fields and salt the earth (doing it for real would take too many tax dollars to fix, and does a real number on property values).

The next non-democrat, or non-uniparty administration (granted I'm repeating myself there) should pretty much fire everyone they can, as soon as they can.

Completely clean house and start over.

Screw working with the so called other side.

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– Gizortnik 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

Trump's Truth post seems like standard Trump fare, and does not seem like he's 'abolishing the constitution'.

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– onetruephilosoraptor 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

It was a statement that is the equivalent of shooting his own dick with a rocket launcher.

Dems don't need to fearmonger about Trump anymore, he does it for them.

His constant whining only destroys his own chance of future electoral success.

The 2020 election sadly broke him.

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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

I have complaints about Trump, mostly that 2020 barely phased him.

And I have no significant objection to his statement on Twitter. Trump has always sought to use the media's fearmongering as a weapon to get them screeching about them.

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– onetruephilosoraptor 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

He complains about the stolen election almost every week.

This statement was deeply harmful to his electoral prospects. Normies don't want to hear a Republican candidate say throw out the constitution.

It is really easy to not shoot yourself in the dick.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

As he has done for a decade: stop taking him literally when he should be taken figuratively.

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– onetruephilosoraptor 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I am so sick of having to defend his unnecessarily toxic comments to normies.

We still need some normies to vote for Republicans to win elections.

Securing only the Trump base is just not enough to win an national election.

That is an undeniable fact.

The termination of the constitution comments that Trump made these days only appealed to the most hardcore fragment of his base.

It definitely alienates people we desperately need to win.

Trump in 2016 actually won key swing voters while in Trump 2020 he sadly eroded with a key type of swing voter: White male with college degree and it made so that the "fortification" was enough to seal it against him.

I know the patriots.win MAGA cultists will never accept reality about his comments being unnecessarily stupid but I am actually kinda disappointed that someone who is very capable of rational inquiry like you is not seeing this.

The difference between the OnlyTrumpers and me is very simple.

I actually understand how elections work and that it is imperative to expand your coalition beyond the base. Trump is incapable of expanding his base.

As time passes, his coalition will only shrink as he makes unnecessarily stupid unforced errors.

Despite all the insidious collusion that globalists have conducted to hinder Trump, the fact remains that Trump is sadly his own worst enemy.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

I am so sick of having to defend his unnecessarily toxic comments to normies. We still need some normies to vote for Republicans to win elections. Securing only the Trump base is just not enough to win an national election.

Dude, you don't get it. The vast quantity of normies don't give a shit about his Twitter rants.

The termination of the constitution comments that Trump made these days only appealed to the most hardcore fragment of his base.

Nobody actually cares.

Trump in 2016 actually won key swing voters while in Trump 2020 he sadly eroded with a key type of swing voter: White male with college degree and it made so that the "fortification" was enough to seal it against him.

You have absolutely no evidence of this. You're better off citing white women, not white men. Men, as a demographic, heavily favored Trump, even when they typically wouldn't be expected to. That's why in 2019, Trump's support by black men was 45%.

I am actually kinda disappointed that someone who is very capable of rational inquiry like you is not seeing this.

The biggest criticism that I have seen is from the professional class saying his comments on Twitter are crass. If you think for even one second that that's more important than voter fraud, the economy, crime, abortion, or foregin policy it's you whom are not being rational. People who are swayed by this argument are swayed by media propaganda and that's it. Meaning, anyone who is parroting this, would have parroted anything that the media would have attacked him on, including "He eats steak with ketchup! Gross!"

The reality is, most people don't give a shit, and go "Trump is Trump". Nobody gave a shit either when the media attempted to surrender to both North Korea and Iran when Trump started talking shit to them. Anyone who did, was a terminal CNN patient.

Your DeSantis shilling makes you see Trump obsession that wasn't there. You are giving yourself TDS for no reason, and this is the very first few steps in it. I've seen better criticism of Trump, and this isn't it.

I actually understand how elections work and that it is imperative to expand your coalition beyond the base. Trump is incapable of expanding his base.

Trump's base is nearly the whole Republican party excluding the establishment. Trump's base expanded to hispanics and blacks. Trump's biggest weakness was white women, and the Republicans have made much more progress on that in the past several years.

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– onetruephilosoraptor 0 points 3 years ago +0 / -0

Trump surprisingly improved slightly with White women in 2020.

He really lost ground in the suburbs and specifically lost ground with White men.

Please take a look at this.

https://archive.ph/2oHg8

Trump did make some meaningful inroads with Hispanics but in terms of inroads with the Black community, it was very negligible. The Black community will still vote in Saddam Hussein margins for the Democrats twenty years from now.

They are an inelastic population and frankly wasting money and time trying to win more of them should not be a priority for any Republican campaign.

Blexit was a huge grift that solely benefited Candace Owens and it was a complete waste of money and time.

Had all the Blexit money gone to registering more non College Whites and non college Latinos and turning them out to vote, Trump could still be President right now.

Trump currently has lost a key portion of his 2016 winning coalition: normie Republican White men who held their nose and voted for him in 2016 but didn't do so in 2020 and they will definitely not do so now.

I don't have TDS and will not give myself TDS. I see what advantages Trump brings and what disadvantages he brings.

In terms of building a national coalition, Trump 2024 is clearly even weaker than Trump 2020. He actually might lose North Carolina this time since that was the closest state he won. The suburbs trending Dem in Wake county, North Carolina is bad for even a generic Republican and it is especially bad for Trump.

Trump is becoming electoral poison to the suburbs because suburban voters are sadly generally normies who are too stupid to prioritize policy over sensibilities.

I prefer DeSantis for 2024 because he can stem the bleeding in the suburbs somewhat while retaining enough of Trump's base to eke out a win.

Sure DeSantis would lose some of the rabid OnlyTrumpers on Patriots.win but the end result will be better than running Trump again and having the bottom completely fall out in the suburbs.

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– SR388-SAX 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

2020 barely phased him

Fazed.

I only point it out because you're one of the more literary posters to the board and figure that if you didn't already know, you'd prefer to.

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– Gizortnik 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

Thank you.

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– deleted 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0
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– Gizortnik 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

Yes, more serious conservative candidates like Jeb!

Sit down.

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– deleted 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0
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– BetterNameUnfound 7 points 3 years ago +7 / -0

a new party

which will split the Republican vote

ensuring Democrats win forever

congratulations

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– SparkMandrill83 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

Republicans are Democrats. Whats the difference?

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– BetterNameUnfound 4 points 3 years ago +4 / -0

The difference is that you still don't win.

No one's going to vote third-party anymore. Trump knew this.

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– SparkMandrill83 10 points 3 years ago +10 / -0

That was a different time. I think Trump also exposed millions of people to the fact that politicians on both sides cant be trusted because of how they responded to him. If there was ever a time to start an America First party, now would be the time.

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– BetterNameUnfound 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Democrat 40%, Republican 30%, America First 30%. Democrat wins, thanks for playing.

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– SparkMandrill83 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

What have Republicans done to stop Democrats that they're so imnportant? Id rather lose on my feet than die groveling like those spineless traitors.

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– BetterNameUnfound 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Fortunately, you won't have to.

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– current_horror 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

Democrats are already winning lol

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– Yashimata 11 points 3 years ago +11 / -0

Yeah, you could have 5 "democrat" parties and 1 "republican" party, and they'll still miraculously "fortify" the election for the one they want to win anyway.

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– current_horror 14 points 3 years ago +14 / -0

That TIME article was the ultimate flex. As far as I’m concerned, that was a declaration of total victory. We’ve just been faffing about ever since.

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– deleted 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0
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– Hellsbells00 8 points 3 years ago +8 / -0

2020: republicans 50, democrats 40, democrats win.

Fuck outta here, a real third party would at least give us a vade of organization not owned by the uniparty.

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– BetterNameUnfound 2 points 3 years ago +2 / -0

All politics is local.

AF nominee splits Republican vote, Democrat wins seat.

Don't skip steps.

And besides, the AF guy will get paid off by a BlackRock proxy anyway, just like the others.

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– OldBullLee 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

No one's going to vote third-party anymore.

When has anybody?

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– SparkMandrill83 3 points 3 years ago +3 / -0

Who said anything about Trump, moron? The GOP has always sucked and the good ones in the party can be counted on one hand. You sound butthurt the american people arent willing to be your neocon puppets anymore.

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– -Fender- 13 points 3 years ago +13 / -0

It happened with the Whig party / Repulican party split that got Lincoln elected. It could happen again, although it would be tremendously hard with all the indoctrination children receive in media and public education.

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– SR388-SAX 1 point 3 years ago +1 / -0

If Donald Trump ends up splitting the Republican party, they fucking deserve it.

They were resuscitated by Trump in 2016 and they repaid him by back stabbing him at every opportunity. The establishment GOP is garbage and needs to die.

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