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posted ago by AntonioOfVenice ago by AntonioOfVenice +71 / -0

Where Online Hate Speech Can Bring the Police to Your Door (including glamour shots of the Gestapo thugs terrorizing people)

When the police pounded the door before dawn at a home in northwest Germany, a bleary-eyed young man in his boxer shorts answered. The officers asked for his father, who was at work.

A common tactic of the Gestapo was to knock at people's door in the middle of the night, in order to inspire maximum fear and terror both in the victim and the neighbors. The current terror regime in Germany has adopted the same, because trappings aside, they are the same (except with enmity towards Germans rather than Jews).

They told him that his 51-year-old father was accused of violating laws against online hate speech, insults and misinformation. He had shared an image on Facebook with an inflammatory statement about immigration falsely attributed to a German politician. “Just because someone rapes, robs or is a serious criminal is not a reason for deportation,” the fake remark said.

The police then scoured the home for about 30 minutes, seizing a laptop and tablet as evidence, prosecutors said.

So this was in defense of a politician. In other words, they rule over you, take your freedom, take your earnings and then use your own money to terrorize and oppress you.

At that exact moment in March, a similar scene was playing out at about 100 other homes across Germany, part of a coordinated nationwide crackdown that continues to this day. After sharing images circulating on Facebook that carried a fake statement, the perpetrators had devices confiscated and some were fined.

You are terrorized for merely sharing a meme that they do not like. Later on in the article, they say that not having mens rea is not a defense.

And it was that post that eventually led to the raid of that 51-year-old father’s house in northwest Germany. The father, whose name was not shared by authorities because of Germany’s strict privacy laws, is still under investigation in Lower Saxony as police examine the contents of his devices. Even if he did not know the comment attributed to Ms. Bause was fake, he still faces punishment because “the accused bears the risk of spreading a false quote without checking it,” prosecutors said.

Only they are allowed to spread lies.

But the people behind the most toxic online behavior typically avoid any personal major real-world consequences.

Journalists?

“There has to be a line you cannot cross,” said Svenja Meininghaus, a state prosecutor who attended the raid of the father’s house. “There has to be consequences.”

Jawhol mein Fuehrerin. Es ist Zeit fuer Raeuch!

But in a review of German state records, The New York Times found more than 8,500 cases. Overall, more than 1,000 people have been charged or punished since 2018, a figure many experts said is probably much higher.

Fully 1 in 10,000 German "citizens" (subjects) have been targeted by these Gestapo thugs.

Authorities in Lower Saxony raid homes up to multiple times per month, sometimes with a local television crew in tow.

My apologies to the Gestapo for making the comparison. The Gestapo never sunk so low as to make the media into a weapon for the regime. And one wonders why the media is making itself an instrument for the persecution of regime opponents. Such a free press!

When people refuse to give access to their smartphones for evidence, Mr. Laue said, the device can be sent to a lab operated by the federal government that uses software that can bypass passwords. Made by a company called Cellebrite, it is the same kind of software used by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in the United States.

Be you aware of this.

Swen Weiland, a software developer turned internet hate speech investigator, is in charge of unmasking people behind anonymous accounts...After an unknown Twitter user compared Covid restrictions to the Holocaust, he used an online registry of licensed architects to help identify the culprit as a middle-aged woman.

“I try to find out what they do in their normal life,” Mr. Weiland said. “If I find where they live or their relatives then I can get the real person. The internet does not forget.”

Now bear in mind that they posted the picture of this mad dog of the regime. And yet the people they're going after are supposedly very dangerous. Clearly, they - and he - do not think so, or they would not publish his name, nor post a glamor shot of his balding, neckbeard, bugman ass.

Police officers and prosecutors say that detective work is required because social media companies rarely turn over user information unless there is an imminent threat of violence. Meta, Google and Twitter recently won a court challenge to stop an expansion of the Network Enforcement Act that would have required the companies to notify the government when they detected online hate speech and other illicit content, a rule that could have led to thousands of new cases per year.

Google said in a statement that it provided information in 85 percent of requests from authorities, but that the proposed law to provide authorities user data without a legal order “undermines fundamental rights.”

The Nazi country is so extreme, that even far-left American countries are going: ho there, Adolf, control yourself a bit.

*Journalist gets man convicted for calling him 'stupid' and 'mentally ill'

Last year, Christian Endt, a journalist in Berlin whose coverage of Covid drew a steady stream of insults online, reached a breaking point. After an anonymous Twitter user had called him “stupid” and mentally ill, he embarked on a mission to see if he could get the person prosecuted.

The person’s account did not include a real name, but it had a photo on the profile page. That allowed Mr. Endt to perform an image search to see where else on the internet the image could be found. It led him to a LinkedIn page of a small-business owner. From there, he found the individual’s company website, phone number and home address.

Mr. Endt compiled his finding in a memo and sent it to the local district attorney. In December, the case landed with the online hate unit in Lower Saxony, where the culprit lived. After reviewing the evidence, they sent the man a fine worth about €1,000.

“I was not even sure if what this guy wrote was a crime or not,” Mr. Endt said. “In the end, I’m happy they did something about it and this person got a signal that there are some limits on free speech.”

I don't know if it's a crime, but it's nice that someone got convicted for calling me stupid, so there are 'some limits'. None for me though, obviously.

You are such a penis

Last year, Andy Grote, a city senator responsible for public safety and the police in Hamburg, broke the local social distancing rules — which he was in charge of enforcing — by hosting a small election party in a downtown bar.

After Mr. Grote later made remarks admonishing others for hosting parties during the pandemic, a Twitter user wrote: “Du bist so 1 Pimmel” (“You are such a penis”).

Three months later, six police officers raided the house of the man who had posted the insult, looking for his electronic devices. The incident caused an uproar.

These 'laws' exist to protect the ruling class from you. Already you could do nothing against them, now you can not even say anything about them.

In June, in the town of Kassel in central Germany, a 49-year-old man was on trial for comments made on Facebook that said Mr. Lübcke, the politician murdered in 2019, had “himself to blame.”

Dirk B., the defendant whose full name is being withheld because of Germany’s strict privacy laws, told a judge that the comments were taken out of context. His Facebook post, he said, had been about Mr. Lübcke’s refusal of police protection and that he had, in the same comments, expressed condolences for Mr. Lübcke’s family.

“This falls under the freedom of expression in our free democratic state,” the defendant said. He added that he would post the same thing again.

The judge disagreed. At the end of the two-hour hearing, she said he had effectively condoned Mr. Lübcke’s murder. He was ordered to pay a fine of €2,400.

This is the only one I'm remotely conflicted about whether it was a good thing to say, although he clearly should not have been prosecuted.

There are no worse people in the world than those responsible for this. It is these people who are enemy of civilians in the West, for their part at least, as much as they keep telling us that their Emmanuel Goldsteins are our enemy.

This is what they call 'democracy'. This is what they call 'freedom of speech'. This is what they call 'liberalism'. There are some friendly Americans here (one in particular I'm thinking of) who unironically call European countries 'democracies'. They're anything but, same as the US. They're oligarchic tyrannies, same as the US.

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OldBullLee 20 points ago +20 / -0

"At that exact moment in March, a similar scene was playing out at about 100 other homes across Germany, part of a coordinated nationwide crackdown that continues to this day."

You would think after Kristallnacht the German authorities would be at least introspective about such a move.

Is there something in the German genes that gives them a propensity for totalitarianism and militarism?

At least we here in the US have what's left of our Constitution to fall back on.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 18 points ago +18 / -0

You would think after Kristallnacht the German authorities would be at least introspective about such a move.

Who says they don't? Maybe they regard it as an inspiration.

Is there something in the German genes that gives them a propensity for totalitarianism and militarism?

Yes, but this idea is controversial (Sonderweg). What is Germany used to be Prussia. Prussian institutions were extended to the rest of Germany. What characterized Prussia was the Calvinism of its ruling house, Hohenzollern, as well as the fact that it was a relatively weak and small state but with a strong army. So it has strong militarist traditions, and traditions of obedience (cadaver discipline).

Furthermore, there are two intellectual streams that stress obedience. One is Luterhanism. The other is legal positivism. The highest law, according to this idea, is positive law (i.e., legislation), thus what the ruler says. There is no idea of any higher law, or natural law.

This is so bad that even socialists and communists, who had been persecuted for 11 years by the Nazis, were shocked and appalled by the assassination attempt on Hitler in 1944. Also why most Germans were appalled by Kristallnacht, not always out of sympathy for the Jew, but because they hate disorder - and Kristallnacht was nothing if not lawless.

At least we here in the US have what's left of our Constitution to fall back on.

We also have constitutions. And they're important. Without constitutions, politicians would have to use toilet paper instead.

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AlfredicEnglishRules 4 points ago +4 / -0

That makes a bit of sense. The government promotes these ideals in schools and media, while the culture itself may disagree. I've seen the same in Japan.

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NigaroFagetsu-kun 15 points ago +15 / -0

It's definitely part of their culture. David Irving talked about it at a speaking event he gave after he was successfully sued in Britain for questioning the holocaust. He had an anecdotal story about a German exchange student standing up at one of his lectures and discussing how the German culture is so willing to accept the government's narrative, and how different the German concept of free speech and free thought is from the American ideal. At the beginning of the internet, apparently the German government was leading the charge to censor any all questioning of the ww2/holocaust narrative, and went to great lengths to bully other countries into going along with their censorship regime.

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redkrab 6 points ago +6 / -0

by (((germans))) censoring ww2/holohoax narratives, you mean the jewish subverted german government /elite class that won the war against hitler, right?

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NigaroFagetsu-kun 6 points ago +6 / -0

Obviously. Having said that however, I can't speak for the average German goy; I would imagine though that they're even more indoctrinated than the Amerifat goyim are if they live in fear of even asking the question

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Soup_Navy_Admiral 8 points ago +8 / -0

You would think after Kristallnacht the German authorities would be at least introspective about such a move.

Oh. please. They'll start up the camps again and all you'll get from the guard outside is "It's different when we do it!"

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

"It's different when we do it" is basically the motto of the regime.

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I_Bent_My_Wookiee 4 points ago +4 / -0

Is there something in the German genes that gives them a propensity for totalitarianism and militarism?

Klaus Schwab is a.....what?

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well? Don't hold us in suspense.

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ghostfox1_ 17 points ago +17 / -0

Bring back public hanging for the people who support this.

Sic semper tyrannis.

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Galean 15 points ago +15 / -0

Is there any political pushback against it? Or is it a one party rule?

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 19 points ago +19 / -0

Eh, it's Uniparty rule.

In America, you have 2 parties that stand for basically the same thing, in European countries, you have N parties that do so.

AfD is decent, but very demonized and it has been tanking of late.

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superspathi 14 points ago +15 / -1

No, this is democracy. Democracy is degenerate mob rule.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] -5 points ago +4 / -9

LOL! You actually think that the actions of those corrupt, craven politicians accurately reflects the will of the people? Trust me, this is not the case.

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tobeornotto2 14 points ago +15 / -1

It is 100% the case. Enough of the people to put these people in positions of power. Enough of the people that overreach has no consequences.

People like this mayor get re-elected, and it's because the opposition supports stricter restrictions on immigration and that's racist and we can't have that!

It's over. The west is over. Enjoy the decline. Be happy you were born in time to see it.

You're 50 years away from the will of the majority being to change the name of your country to Germanturk to better promote diversity.

Keep defending democracy, but it's not going to defend you.

Make sure you accumulate enough wealth while they still let you to be able to isolate yourself and your family from the worst of it, for as long as possible.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 4 points ago +4 / -0

It is 100% the case.

Absolutely not. I've not met one person in my entire life, left, center, or right, who believes in mass immigration, but all politicians, right, center and left, do.

This is not democracy.

People like this mayor get re-elected

You speak of elections as though they have any real-world consequences.

You're 50 years away from the will of the majority being to change the name of your country to Germanturk to better promote diversity.

Germany is not my country. I live in a shithole that is less shitty, though only slightly.

Keep defending democracy, but it's not going to defend you.

There is no democracy.

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superspathi 10 points ago +11 / -1

Judge a tree by its fruit.

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ArtemisFoul 0 points ago +3 / -3

Democracy has little to do with the kakistocrats following the will of the people. It's just a system where the people get to pick the next group that will piss on them and tell them it's raining out of a small pool of preapproved candidates.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 3 points ago +3 / -0

The media picks the next group that pisses on us. But if we look at the term democracy: it means that power belongs to the people. The will of the people ought to be paramount, not the will of those you rightly call kakistocrats.

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ArtemisFoul 5 points ago +5 / -0

We're not really disagreeing, I think. I said the candidates were preapproved, and I meant by the media (and in edge cases, the police state will remove anyone who manages to break through). The people pick the particular pisser. In so-called developed countries, media are just another arm of the state.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 5 points ago +5 / -0

Precisely. We have the great privilege of being able to pick the puppet who will wreck our countries.

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NotAGlowy 11 points ago +11 / -0

These “journalists” support the new SS/STASI because they believe the deep state will act in their best interests.

We need to highlight how these police interfere with their marijuana smoking and 8 month abortions

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Footsoldier 6 points ago +6 / -0

They don't even have to be covert, like the Stasi, that's how ridiculous things have become. If you can fine people for slight insults and moderate opinions then there really is no limit to what these people will do to you. It is psychological warfare, they enjoy flaunting their power and hurting others.

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GimmeFuelGimmeFire 5 points ago +8 / -3

When history comes to you enforced by law, you can be sure it is a lie.

The holocaust is Soviet-era propaganda and didn't happen.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 0 points ago +1 / -1

Ironically, the Holocaust was heavily downplayed in the Soviet Union (even though most Jews who perished came from Soviet areas), where they attempted to put the focus on how the Russian peoples as a whole had suffered, and not Jews in particular.

You sound very well-informed.

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ArtemisFoul 5 points ago +5 / -0

None of this is particularly surprising, but somehow my piss still won't stop boiling.

Remember, Russia is terrible because it's an autocracy that censors people. Ukraine should fight them to the last man so they can join the EU and be free like we are.

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evilplushie 5 points ago +5 / -0

If spreading misinfo is a crime, they should arrest their politicians who pushed for the jab and masks

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MetallicBioMeat 2 points ago +2 / -0

The anointed lies are different, for they are done for the right reasons.

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bloodguard 2 points ago +2 / -0

Well, crap. This just makes me want to fire up a VPN with a German endpoint and start posting crap.

Ich bin ein shitposter!

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DeplorableGerman 1 point ago +1 / -0

My take-away: Don't discuss politics on data farming services window-dressed as "social media messenger services".

In other words: Don't do FB, Twitter and whatever else exists. Either talk in private, go to open mic philosophy events where people can talk about anything, or take to the streets and use the cover of a large group to get your message across.

Yes it sucks. Yes this is not the way things should be. But i will be damned if i have my machine taken and a fine slapped on my wrists (or worse) for making a joke or spilling the truth on some weird american data farmarama site.

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Guy_Incognito76 1 point ago +1 / -0

Scary. Why do people put up with this?

As Solzhenitsyn asked, what if they were waiting for the NKVD instead? What if they don't go quietly?

No reason to cooperate with a corrupt system.

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AntonioOfVenice [S] 2 points ago +2 / -0

Scary. Why do people put up with this?

The organized minority, which is the state, will always prevail over the unorganized majority - the people on whose face they're stomping.

No reason to cooperate with a corrupt system.

I agree, but Europeans are very docile and statist (even compared to me, and most Americans here think I am as well). I don't think people think that they can do anything about it, same as with the Third Reich.

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reidj 1 point ago +1 / -0

Between the Gestapo and the Stasi, you'd think Germans would keep their police on a very short leash.

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rantanon9145 1 point ago +1 / -0

Merkel was Ex-STASI