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This type of behavior annoys me to no end. I see it at work, I see it at the fucking airport. Were these people raised in a barn? You'll even talk to some of them and find they have developed an ideological rationalization for their behavior. "I'm helping keep the janitors employed." Bitch please the janitor would appreciate you not giving them the extra work.
I always wondered if the littering would stop happening so much if children had cleaning duty as they grew up.
Those are the same
peopleentitled assholes that think "insurance will pay for it"I've always tried to leave things in at least as good a condition as I found them. That should be the general rule people follow.
One hundred fucking percent.
If only. Then they'd actually have some life skills and sense of responsibility.
Heck, high schoolers in anime: I'm not old enough for a full time job, so I'm just working part time. Heck, freaking middle schoolers in anime: I wish I was old enough for a part time job, but I've been saving my allowance so I can still afford things that interest me.
While I guess more teenager than child, I have been doing something to make money (from third parties not like my parents paying me) since I was 13 and I've had some sort of "official" job since I was 16. I said when I was in my mid 20s I learned more from work than I ever did from school, and over a decade later I'll still say it.
As a kid my parents stole my allowance...which often had chores attached. Repeatedly. LOL.
And, no, not as punishment or anything. I was really good at saving money, so when they needed money...poof. Talk about sending the wrong fucking message...
teaching you about taxes
More like a warning about all the ones who will mooch directly off you, even when you don't really have any more than they do. Help them once, they suddenly think you're their personal piggy bank/cigarette vending machine.
Oh, you, too? (Though it was just Mom for me.)
Teenager if you're homeschooled, 5yrs old minimum limit if you're public schooled.
Make Child Labor Great Again
Side note: I like how children cleaning chimneys in the 1900s is always the poster child for anti-child labor proponents. Like, yeah, this is pure fucking propaganda and there's countless other jobs where they don't get dirty and learn valuable life skills.
Do you think it should be illegal for children to clean chimneys? If so, does the Libertarian Party agree with you on this?
I'm for prohibiting dangerous jobs or jobs where health issues could arise.
Aside from that, I'm not for forced child labor, which is probably why there were chimney cleaning kids in the first place (or, at least, I can't imagine a kid wanting to do that kind of work).
I have no clue. I'm not a libertarian nor do I follow their views closely enough.
Meanwhile, back in 1905, the child cleaning the chimney is like "thank god I'm not the one operating the heavy machines in the factory, Timmy already lost 5 fingers".
Jobs are great for children of all ages, age appropriate of course.
That's what the whole lesson about chores and allowance for children is meant to be about. You don't get anything for free. Use your labour and your skills to earn money. Negotiate for better terms if you can.
Yeah, do kids even do chores anymore? Seems to be a lot less common. I can't remember a time I ever didn't. I'm sure when I was small enough but not that I remember.
For better or worse technology has fractioned the amount of chores even available, and most of what's left involve more complex machinery than you can trust younger kids with.
"Jobs not drag shows" sounds like a great slogan.
Depends. Children learning a trade from their parents and family friends is probably a good thing.
Children going to work for GloboHomo and learning the exact same evil value system as they'd learn in school is definitely a bad thing.
If child labor is legalized, which of those two things is more likely to increase? My guess is the latter, because the people doing the former are probably already doing so with little regard to child labor laws. If Libertarians think by repealing this law the days of apprenticing at Mr. Fezziwig's will return, that's unlikely.
More likely outcome: children will now work for GloboHomo and be paid to attend the mandatory Diversity, Equity, and Inclusion classes they used to take in school.
It's amazing how I can look back and wish that was part of curriculum for me., evrn though I would have absolutely been against it at the time.
Back home its pretty common for kids to just disappear for the last month of school to go on trawling boats, because they know it'll be their future and its best to get known as a good hand young.
There is a reason why truancy laws are so strict. Because the government knows if they didn't threaten to arrest parents over it, they'd see massive drops in enrollment (aka less money) because a lot of them would be off doing something productive.
LPNH is part of the Mises caucus. They are good people even though the LP is, and always will be, non-viable.
LP is Mises Caucus now. :)
I also support prison labour for similar reasons.
Prison labour is just a shortcut for "more laws so we can get more 'not slaves' for our prisons."
Its a good idea in theory, but the moment human nature and profit incentives exist it falls apart like everything else Libertarian.
So make it non-productive labour.
Bring back rock breaking. Those rocks ain't gonna break themselves.
The point is, those prisoners should learn the concept of a hard day's work and what they fucked up for someone else.
Then you start to run close to the line of cruel and unusual punishment. And you are very optimistic if you think they won't find a way to monetize that.
The point is obvious and very sound. The problem is it'll never stay that way, its not in human nature.
Nothing unusual about rock breaking. It's literally a trope. Nothing cruel about it either, keeps them fit and gives them tons of vitamin D.
You're grasping at straws here. As long as the people profiting of prisoner work aren't the ones creating prisoners and approving paroles, there's no downside or corruption motive.
And communism works great as long as the bad guys never get power either.
Everything works great if you never let people with nefarious motives near the system.
You'd have to corrupt a fuck ton of people to abuse a for-profit prison system. From cops, to sheriffs, to DAs, to Judges, to Juries, to Parole boards, at both the state and federal level. Probably a few defense attorneys too. That's a lot of hands to grease for a warden to get some juicy "free" labour.
May as well just hire workers at that point, probably cheaper.
What's funny is slave labor is still legal for prisoners though you probably have to be specifically sentenced to that. They should stop pretending and just do it.
I’m my state, the vast majority of the prison labor goes towards prison operations, like growing food, maintenance, sanitation, etc. Only a little of it supports commercial operations.
It’s an important part of maintaining discipline in prisons because otherwise they’ll just sit around bored all day.
Its not that I'm against the idea, its that its incredibly quick for that little to become a bigger focus.
The Angola prison over by where I grew up is very self sustaining, while also being the largest max security prison in America, and operates entirely on the same beliefs. It also eventually kept "expanding" its operations into arts and crafts and its famous Rodeo until eventually prisoners were being forced into making trinkets to sell and ride bulls for pure profit to the prison.
That prison is why I say such a thing. Because I got to see the degeneration first hand, being related to a bunch of felons and all.
WAOW this is just like POPULAR MOVIE!
You may have a point, but phrase it in a way that's not Hollywood-centric. Otherwise you're making the same argument as upper middle class white women who schlick it to Handmaid's Tale.
I didn't get an allowance.
I was trained to be the family gofer. I got to keep the (non-folding) change (and keep in mind this was way before the loonie became a thing.)
NH LP always brings the spice.
supervised child labor. Straight up legal child labor will bring back orphan factories. For minors, paid Internships are the way to go.
For sure, I don't think anyone here is calling for forced child labor.