Aside from the obvious
-
Since states can still allow abortions, this means that a lot liberals will fuck off right back to their blue states (God-willing).
-
It's not enough for states to ban abortions, though; they must criminalize it, because people are already talking about driving over state lines, getting an abortion, and then coming right back. Criminalizing it means that the person will be wanted in that state, and at the very least, cannot return. This should help make it that liberals MOVE out of red states altogether.
-
Men and women will be more conscious about having unprotected sex. Hopefully, they'll look for serious relationships that will lead to marriage (won't hold my breath, though). Overall, it should lead to less degeneracy.
I absolutely do not believe whoring will lessen. These people have no impulse control. They do copious amounts of drugs, intentionally disfigure themselves, ruin everything even just remotely good going on in their lives.
Not at first, at least, and perhaps not from women, but I think guys will at least be more careful in that sense, because they're legally on the hook, and it won't be long before stories start spreading about how some guy is paying child support to some bitch who just stays at home all day doing nothing but screwing the next sucker, and nobody wants to be that guy.
Yup. The biggest factor that drove me to MGTOW is the fact that fathers have no reproductive rights and the legal system allows women to enslave men. Banning abortion doesn't solve that problem but it does equalize the rights situation. I would have accepted abortion rights in exchange for financial abortion rights. But the feminists are so hateful that they chose this situation over giving up the absolute control over men that the family court system gives them. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. They would have had more success recruiting male allies had they offered them something (and therefore given them something to lose) rather than just showing up with their hands out demanding our time, money, and energy for something that gives us zero benefit.
Doesn't that happen already? You talk like if she wants to keep it, she couldn't before.
Correct. Women are losing the right to NOT keep it (in some states anyway), which men never had. When you're accustomed to privilege equality feels like oppression.
Now, if she doesn't have the option of state-sponsored infanticide but would have chosen it, she'll feel aggrieved and take it out on the nearest vulnerable individuals - the child, and the father.
I dunno. You're correct that it's just a free meal ticket for women so they won't have any more self control than they do now. I'm less convinced about men. Plenty of men are serving as some thot's ATM right now because they were baby trapped. I suspect the lie they were told is "I'm on the pill" rather than "I'll get an abortion". There's no reason to believe that won't continue.
At a possible more foundational level, these people have no other lives beyond rutting.
I can see some liberals moving to blue states. Here in Texas I heard some lefties say they would move which I think is fine. In theory people would think twice before casual sex with random strangers but I doubt it.
I do not think people will move to blue states do to this law. At the end of the day all they care about is being upset on twitter or facebook, receiving validation from their peers and having a fake sense of moral superiority.
The more I think about it, the more I agree with you. Having the appropriate twitter opinion is a strong drug.
Apparently abortion is now illegal in your state.
I think you guys passed a "poison pill" law at some point that said if Roe v Wade was ever overturned they'd be illegal.
It's called a trigger law.
Oh yea! I forgot about that
Perhaps, but I think it'll come from men because the system fucks over men when it comes to child support, so they really have to think twice before having casual sex.
At the very least, they'll probably seek a partner who's on the pill and they'll wear a rubber, or forego all the trouble and get a vasectomy (which is about $1k and might be worth it for some people).
Side note: there's also a lot contraceptives out there for women.
🙏
Yea that is what puzzles me. They act like there aren’t ways to avoid pregnancy
Maybe Austin real estate will drop a little.
I don't think the actual number of abortions will change all that much. Many red states were already doing a lot to curb it so there isn't as much room to escalate their efforts as people think.
The biggest impacts are going to be the increase in state-to-state animosity and polarization and the potential for corporate influence to go mask off. Expect NGOs to spring up out of blue states that try to provide funding, transportation, etc. to red state women. Red states may respond by criminalizing such organizations out right.
Corporations are kind of a wild card. I tend to expect them to pick sides on these things, but they seem like they are pulling back a bit as of late. I think Republicans' willingness to clash with Disney has them a bit spooked, maybe. However, I don't hold the Republican party in high regard. Look how they are fagging out over gun control right now so they could start folding after the 2022 or 2024 elections. Will corporations try to pressure states into legalizing abortion? If so, how open would they be? If they brazenly challenge the will of red state voters, things could get very interesting. It would be a major disambiguation of the nature of power, the state, and what's going on in the world today.
One last thing to highlight is the parallel with Russia/Ukraine. The Russia/Ukraine war has put de-globalization pressure on the world and moved toward multi-polarization. The polarization between US states can, likewise, lead to a de-federalization. The subtext in both cases is the endurance of nationalism.
Inshallah my brother.
That is literally how it gets banned.
100% unconstitutional. Only the federal government can regulate interstate shit. No state can tell you what you can or cannot do in other states.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL I can't believe you actually think this.
And in case it wasn't clear the first time:
LOOLOLOLOOLOLOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOOOOOL
Gonna throw in some emojis for extra measure: 😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣😂😂😭😭😭😭😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So if a state legalizes murder, people can just take others to that state, kill them, come back, nothing would happen to the killer.
I can't believe you think this. LOOLOLOLOOLOLOOOOOLOLOLOLOLOOLOOOOOLLOOL
If North Carolina legalized murder and someone from South Carolina went there to murder someone, SC can’t do shit because the incident wasn’t committed there, it is in fact a federal issue because it was interstate.
An old example of this was back in the 80s, some states used to have the drinking age at 18, and high school seniors would cross state lines to drink and the states where the age wasn’t 18 couldn’t do anything about it, it was the federal government who decided to do something about it because of the massive amounts of DUI and car accidents (that being make a law to take away the highway funding of any state who didn’t raise the drinking age to 21).
It’s the same thing with weed, if you go to somewhere that weed is legal and you go smoke weed there and the weed stays there, the state where weed is illegal can’t do shit about it.
States can’t make other states enforce their laws.
Stupid, contrived example since no state would ever legalize murder.
You're a dumbass who doesn't know how jurisdiction works. The location of the murder is not the sole ground for jurisdiction. ANY state where ANY part of the murder was planned would be included, so you could be charged in your home state. You could also be charged federally. I've seen cases where people go to OTHER COUNTRIES to kill their partner, and then they come back and get charged with murder in the US.
Ummmmmm, the whole point of this thread is that the Supreme Court ruled that states don't HAVE to legalize murder.
Now, it's up to the states whether or not to keep murder legal or write laws against it.
Oh please, god!
It's against US law to travel to another country with the goal of violating US law. Sex tourism, for example, is illegal for US citizens overseas simply because it's illegal here.
Surely traveling across state lines with the explicit purpose to murder a child, in violation of your home state's laws, should be similarly punished.
I wonder if I should get a database job working for Planned Parenthood and "leak" interstate murder rings to their home states...
This is dumb. Just push for parental consent and an end to state funded welfare. Shit would sort itself quickly.
Same person, ladies and gentleman.
These people don’t seem to understand there will be states with on demand abortion and I’m sure there will be left wing groups that will pay for travel. But this may cause some movement along party lines
Vehemently disagree with #2, and I think it's laughable to even entertain the idea
There's a myriad of good, sound arguments as to why #2 would never pass any form of Constitutional scrutiny, but on top of those:
After bitching for two years that the government needs to stay out of my personal life, I'm not going to endorse violating privacy and chasing people down for ostensibly legal acts in other states. How would you feel if your state reinstated prohibition, and then tried to prosecute people who drank out of state? It's the same logic under the Dobbs decision
Life begins at conception, sorry not sorry, you don't get to kill babies and get away with it. Off to reddit you go!
No such thing
You can be pro-abortion from a right-wing position if you're pro-eugenics: abort defective children to improve the overall fitness of the population and potentially eliminate certain genetic birth defects entirely.
But it's extremely rare in the West today. And most people who claim to be on the right who support abortion don't do so from a right-wing position.
I get that but it isn't "pro choice". That is state control over breeding.
There are voluntary eugenics, but the moral position on that is to avoid conception, not to abort. Celibacy is a potentially virtuous position, and in some cases the only morally acceptable one.
There are pro-choice right-wingers, just like there are pro-life left-wingers.
If it's on the table, and you have a right-winger who wants abortion banned throughout the 9 months, even in cases of rape and incest, I can easily see that swinging a lot of votes.
The right would do well not to overplay its hand on this one.
Doctor checkups that show a woman is pregnant. You're carrying human life and that life mysteriously disappears? Yeah, that's an automatic investigation.
And I think it would pass muh constitutional muster, just like someone committing murder and then fleeing the state wouldn't escape prosecution. I don't expect the DOJ or blue states to enforce it, but I do expect cooperation among red states and at the very least, the original state would have a warrant out for their arrest.
This sounds very invasive. Doctors should not be agents of the state.
Besides, most anti-abortion say that they do not want to prosecute the women, only the providers.
Murder is a crime everywhere though.
Doesn't matter what you think. It will not be considered murder everywhere.
They already are. Most (all?) states legally classify them as "mandated reporters". If they become aware of evidence of child abuse or see injuries that could be indicative of it, they are required by law to report it to the state.