r/TumblrInAction and r/SocialJusticeInAction were always controversial communities. It's natural that they would attract the sort of negative reputations that they did. But we're not here to talk about that, because if you're reading this, you're likely well aware of what these subs were.
We didn't receive any notification that these subs were in danger over the last few months. When the admins did come knocking, we hired new mods, changed up our automoderator, and made sure to keep the report queue as clean as possible. The admins were fine with this, though they refused to answer some questions we had about the lines between hate speech and genuinely-held opinions. We still believe we didn't do anything to warrant these bans, as we enforced the Global Rules as written. It'd be easy to say that a sub like r/AgainstHateSubreddits was responsible for these bans (and I do think they are somewhat responsible, given the penchant for report-bombing), but I instead think these bans—which were simultaneous—were just inevitable based on the direction that Reddit is heading.
Reddit had previously said that controversial communities would be quarantined, but it looks like that's just not happening anymore. Reddit also said they would work with moderators to ensure that communities had an opportunity to change before being banned. Given that a number of other communities have been banned in a similar matter recently, without communication from the admins, we can determine that this is also untrue.
Now here's where I talk about the trend: trans politics. r/TumblrInAction and r/SocialJusticeInAction were cut from a similar cloth, one that also begat r/KotakuInAction, which was not banned. Why? Because they're enforcing a rule where mention of trans people at all is forbidden. This, combined with bans of subs like r/XenogenderCringe, r/XenoAndNeoCringe, and r/AreTheXenosOK, leads me to believe that Reddit is going scorched earth on anything that invalidates or merely questions the current progressive line for trans politics: "A trans person is who they say they are, you do not get to debate that."
With controversies in the public sphere like the participation of trans athletes in sports, trans kids being given puberty blockers, drag shows, "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria," and so on, I believe it's important for there to be a space to have discussions about these issues, and that might be tough for some people to deal with. But I believe in a marketplace of ideas, and trying to run a marketplace like a monopoly, saying that one idea must be affirmed before any discussion takes place, means that true discourse is dead. Reddit used to posture itself as a site for honest discussions, but in its hasty efforts to protect certain identities, has become an avenue for restrictions, and a place where a controversial opinion doesn't get you downvoted, it gets you banned. And let's be clear—there's a difference between controversial opinions and hate speech. They are not the same thing.
As a result of these bans, and this shift in Reddit enforcement, the continued lack of communication, and the tiptoeing around questions about where exactly the lines are drawn at the nature of "hateful conduct," I worry for the future of Reddit. I created the sub r/CulturalDivide last year as a place where these tough conversations could be had in a neutral space, but now I fear that it's only a matter of time before it goes down, purely because some people there have opinions that others object to. And I understand, it's hard to balance the principles of free speech while ensuring that hatred doesn't have a place to thrive. r/SocialJusticeInAction, in its early days, was nearly taken over by Stormfront before we had to act. So I really do understand having to maintain that balance. The problems start when you don't make an effort to balance the two sides anymore. Maybe this is more about the state of discourse worldwide than on Reddit itself. Or maybe Reddit is doing this out of an abundance of caution before their IPO. I don't know. But I don't like it.
Anyway, RIP TiA, RIP SJiA. You were fun while y'all lasted.
Tranny politics is the vanguard issue for leftists right now. It’s their current primary frontline in the culture war. The entirety of their worldview hinges upon their capability to force everyone else to accept tranny insanity. If leftists succeed in this, they will move on to the next line in the sand.
The next fight won’t be pedophilia, btw. They will move to another front, either race or feminism, giving the LGBT front a chance to cool down and solidify their gains. My money is on climate change and reparations being the next big push for leftists, especially with Amber Turd destroying MeToo and the trannies raping female prison inmates - gotta make sure you 1) read the room and 2) prevent your “diverse coalition” from fracturing along their many fault lines.
All of this gets derailed if we push back on tranny insanity. Leftists know this, and that’s why they are so militant and vindictive on this issue. Stand them up on this topic and you might trigger a preference cascade, which could rapidly unravel their entire agenda. And the best place to push back is along those aforementioned fault lines. Exacerbate the natural conflicts that inevitably exist between women and men pretending to be women.
Balance is a code word for lean left. I have never ever (ever) seen a forum moderation team clutch pearls about far left meta and say things like "we need to put in effort to balance it to the right" lmao
I'll go to bat for Hat. I've hung out with him a few times and used his membership at a local shooting range on more than one occasion while I was out on business trips. He's only left leaning when compared to say, me.
The reddit admins fucked around with us constantly, gave us clear as mud directions, and generally made decisions contradictory to each other based on what size dilator any given one of them used that day.
While what he said certainly instigated this comment from me, it wasn't directed at him so much as it was an open criticism of the internet censorship machine.
As someone who used to be a mod on original KiA, I can help interpret how the admins ran things.
If it's left leaning: It's fine. If it's not left leaning it's hate speech. If it's left leaning and it brings heat on us (you know, like the pedo-creeper subreddits) it's hate speech.
See also: "mostly peaceful protests" outside of reddit.
For the pedo-creeper part: Remember that Pao low-key admitted to knowing who Ghislaine Maxwell was and what her business is/was when they met at a party while she was reddit CEO.
KiA really was doomed from the start. r/WatchRedditDie also semi-self-deleted itself recently as well.
TheHat kept fucking bringing in leftist mods that wouldn't go down with the ship, or RINOs like HandOfBane that didn't have any principles. TheHat is a great guy but he's a poor judge of character.
It does but they are small. Much smaller than you expect. So you’ll have time to float around the network.
A Few Differences:
We call them sites, not subs.
For karma expectations slash a digit off of what makes a good post. Here a great post will net hundreds of karma, a good post dozens, and an ok post singles.
There is A LOT more anti-semitism.
Way easier to post content here & no auto bots (that I know of)
The thing is KiA2's community is composed of a lot of /pol/ posters who were around when GG started, so of course you're gonna see a lot of Jew-noticing.
I do it ironically (but damn is it not rampant in the worst parts of the left wing) but some probably don't.
Reddit refugees will no doubt see a difference so I just wanted to give them a heads up. Reddit will suspend you for just ((( ))) and this site practically deadnames them on every site.
Should have known this was coming months ago when i came here to talk about Cringetopia essentially being banned and we were alot more mainstream than sjia and tia
I assume I'm like most here -- most of my primary engagement these days comes on the .wins, but there are a couple small communities I still frequent on Spezzit. One of them is /r/KotakuInAction2 which I'm sure is about to get banned, too, but at least we have here.
And we don't need to worry about offending the reddit trannies.
If this is about troonery, which Hat thinks it is, then KiA2 should be safe due to the draconian censorship of any criticism of that ridiculous social contagion.
I think he is tolerant of troonery while opposing what he regards as its excesses (basically the original GG position). But this time he really put his foot down and refused to censor at the behest of the admins. I would not have done it, but I know that from him it is principle not looking for lolz, so I do admire it.
I used to be tolerant of troonery but at this point it needs to be heavily opposed. Troonery is going to DIRECTLY hurt a bunch of kids, many troons are child predators, others are rapists and mentally ill fucktards.
These troons need to be sent to a mental ward, not be listened to.
I'm of the opinion that the original KiA2 should be archived, through backup and/or shutting down activity. It's not been as active since your account got suspended, but continued activity risks old conversations being memory holed. IMO, KiA2 had one of the higher signal/noise ratios among mid-sized unorthodox communities.
You misunderstood. I'm talking about safety from this banwave. If it's indeed about being offensive to troonery, we are safe this time around due to having walked on eggshells.
ConsumeProduct.win is...a lot to take in...if you don’t lean that way already.
I don't lean that way at all, but every time I look at the current state of the culture war and what [[[they]]] seem to be hellbent on doing to western society, I keep thinking that they might have a point about some things.
Not that I would ever advocate going 4R on the world again, but they aren't as crazy as you'd think.
It's a more asshole version because people get to actually say what's really on their mind.
Come to learn, when free speech is absolute, people shitpost things they'd never shitpost in real life.
But that's a good thing - it's a safety valve - a place that lets you let off steam and frustration. The left wing censorious cunts doesn't realize that.
That's one thing the team is working on -- originally it was just P.Win and then the other .wins sprung off from there. There should be a tab at the top of the screen with some generic communities
There's also https://communities.win/c/all which can be hit or miss given how small some communities are. No, they're not separate websites but they look like they are given the drastic theme changes from one to another.
Many of us are Reddit refugees and missed what the place was like. It turned me from a 5-10 message boards user into 1 because it was huge & had great QoL features.
Elections are comming?
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Yep. Shareblue is leaning on them again.
Statement by TheHat2:
r/TumblrInAction and r/SocialJusticeInAction were always controversial communities. It's natural that they would attract the sort of negative reputations that they did. But we're not here to talk about that, because if you're reading this, you're likely well aware of what these subs were.
We didn't receive any notification that these subs were in danger over the last few months. When the admins did come knocking, we hired new mods, changed up our automoderator, and made sure to keep the report queue as clean as possible. The admins were fine with this, though they refused to answer some questions we had about the lines between hate speech and genuinely-held opinions. We still believe we didn't do anything to warrant these bans, as we enforced the Global Rules as written. It'd be easy to say that a sub like r/AgainstHateSubreddits was responsible for these bans (and I do think they are somewhat responsible, given the penchant for report-bombing), but I instead think these bans—which were simultaneous—were just inevitable based on the direction that Reddit is heading.
Reddit had previously said that controversial communities would be quarantined, but it looks like that's just not happening anymore. Reddit also said they would work with moderators to ensure that communities had an opportunity to change before being banned. Given that a number of other communities have been banned in a similar matter recently, without communication from the admins, we can determine that this is also untrue.
Now here's where I talk about the trend: trans politics. r/TumblrInAction and r/SocialJusticeInAction were cut from a similar cloth, one that also begat r/KotakuInAction, which was not banned. Why? Because they're enforcing a rule where mention of trans people at all is forbidden. This, combined with bans of subs like r/XenogenderCringe, r/XenoAndNeoCringe, and r/AreTheXenosOK, leads me to believe that Reddit is going scorched earth on anything that invalidates or merely questions the current progressive line for trans politics: "A trans person is who they say they are, you do not get to debate that."
With controversies in the public sphere like the participation of trans athletes in sports, trans kids being given puberty blockers, drag shows, "Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria," and so on, I believe it's important for there to be a space to have discussions about these issues, and that might be tough for some people to deal with. But I believe in a marketplace of ideas, and trying to run a marketplace like a monopoly, saying that one idea must be affirmed before any discussion takes place, means that true discourse is dead. Reddit used to posture itself as a site for honest discussions, but in its hasty efforts to protect certain identities, has become an avenue for restrictions, and a place where a controversial opinion doesn't get you downvoted, it gets you banned. And let's be clear—there's a difference between controversial opinions and hate speech. They are not the same thing.
As a result of these bans, and this shift in Reddit enforcement, the continued lack of communication, and the tiptoeing around questions about where exactly the lines are drawn at the nature of "hateful conduct," I worry for the future of Reddit. I created the sub r/CulturalDivide last year as a place where these tough conversations could be had in a neutral space, but now I fear that it's only a matter of time before it goes down, purely because some people there have opinions that others object to. And I understand, it's hard to balance the principles of free speech while ensuring that hatred doesn't have a place to thrive. r/SocialJusticeInAction, in its early days, was nearly taken over by Stormfront before we had to act. So I really do understand having to maintain that balance. The problems start when you don't make an effort to balance the two sides anymore. Maybe this is more about the state of discourse worldwide than on Reddit itself. Or maybe Reddit is doing this out of an abundance of caution before their IPO. I don't know. But I don't like it.
Anyway, RIP TiA, RIP SJiA. You were fun while y'all lasted.
I'll likely have more to say later.
Tranny politics is the vanguard issue for leftists right now. It’s their current primary frontline in the culture war. The entirety of their worldview hinges upon their capability to force everyone else to accept tranny insanity. If leftists succeed in this, they will move on to the next line in the sand.
The next fight won’t be pedophilia, btw. They will move to another front, either race or feminism, giving the LGBT front a chance to cool down and solidify their gains. My money is on climate change and reparations being the next big push for leftists, especially with Amber Turd destroying MeToo and the trannies raping female prison inmates - gotta make sure you 1) read the room and 2) prevent your “diverse coalition” from fracturing along their many fault lines.
All of this gets derailed if we push back on tranny insanity. Leftists know this, and that’s why they are so militant and vindictive on this issue. Stand them up on this topic and you might trigger a preference cascade, which could rapidly unravel their entire agenda. And the best place to push back is along those aforementioned fault lines. Exacerbate the natural conflicts that inevitably exist between women and men pretending to be women.
Trannies ruin everything.
Horse shit lol.
Balance is a code word for lean left. I have never ever (ever) seen a forum moderation team clutch pearls about far left meta and say things like "we need to put in effort to balance it to the right" lmao
I'll go to bat for Hat. I've hung out with him a few times and used his membership at a local shooting range on more than one occasion while I was out on business trips. He's only left leaning when compared to say, me.
The reddit admins fucked around with us constantly, gave us clear as mud directions, and generally made decisions contradictory to each other based on what size dilator any given one of them used that day.
While what he said certainly instigated this comment from me, it wasn't directed at him so much as it was an open criticism of the internet censorship machine.
Solid copy.
They'll never define the rules. They want hate speech to be whatever they say it is
As someone who used to be a mod on original KiA, I can help interpret how the admins ran things.
If it's left leaning: It's fine. If it's not left leaning it's hate speech. If it's left leaning and it brings heat on us (you know, like the pedo-creeper subreddits) it's hate speech.
See also: "mostly peaceful protests" outside of reddit.
For the pedo-creeper part: Remember that Pao low-key admitted to knowing who Ghislaine Maxwell was and what her business is/was when they met at a party while she was reddit CEO.
Ayyy buddy, good to see you here.
KiA really was doomed from the start. r/WatchRedditDie also semi-self-deleted itself recently as well.
TheHat kept fucking bringing in leftist mods that wouldn't go down with the ship, or RINOs like HandOfBane that didn't have any principles. TheHat is a great guy but he's a poor judge of character.
>mfw Hat thinks I'm cool
Oof size : The biggest
Leftists don't. That's what makes them fucking retarded. They'll never give you what the line is because any line they make will be revoked.
Expect a lot more people here. LoL
Yep I just signed up due to the ban. lol.
Does this site host other "Subs" or not really?
It does but they are small. Much smaller than you expect. So you’ll have time to float around the network.
A Few Differences:
We call them sites, not subs.
For karma expectations slash a digit off of what makes a good post. Here a great post will net hundreds of karma, a good post dozens, and an ok post singles.
There is A LOT more anti-semitism.
Way easier to post content here & no auto bots (that I know of)
What's wrong with ((( NOTICING ))) my man?
The thing is KiA2's community is composed of a lot of /pol/ posters who were around when GG started, so of course you're gonna see a lot of Jew-noticing.
I do it ironically (but damn is it not rampant in the worst parts of the left wing) but some probably don't.
Reddit refugees will no doubt see a difference so I just wanted to give them a heads up. Reddit will suspend you for just ((( ))) and this site practically deadnames them on every site.
r/4chan for some reason doesn't.
I really don't know how the admins don't touch that sub.
Ditto! This is my first comment.
Yes, but you have to get a gold membership.
The only other "big" "sub" is patriots.win - that's the Donald Trump fanboy subreddit, basically The_Donald.
Same with r/shitpoliticssays
All my suspensions and eventual permabann came from there in a span of 6 weeks (at the time).
If I ever catch one of their mods here I will make their lives a living hell.
well damn - that makes me think i wasn't trying hard enough (still never been banned and i talk a lot of shit)
Just call bardfinn a faggot.
Mention the Great Replacement Theory or 13/50.
Last time I looked it's actually 13/52 now.
goddammit that number keeps changing. someone told me it was 13/56
13/50 works better because if you throw it at any reddit leftist even they recognize it lol
I was under the impression it was 12/52, but it's hard to nail down the count.
Should have known this was coming months ago when i came here to talk about Cringetopia essentially being banned and we were alot more mainstream than sjia and tia
When I got permabanned, they sent me a notice saying I can still view the site I just can't post.
Yeah, they're SUCH A GREAT SITE and my life is so lowly that I just can't wait to spend time there when I can't comment.
Fuck 'em.
Far away from any purity spirals.
Between the two subs it was over a hundred thousand people getting purple pills at the very least.
I assume I'm like most here -- most of my primary engagement these days comes on the .wins, but there are a couple small communities I still frequent on Spezzit. One of them is /r/KotakuInAction2 which I'm sure is about to get banned, too, but at least we have here.
And we don't need to worry about offending the reddit trannies.
If this is about troonery, which Hat thinks it is, then KiA2 should be safe due to the draconian censorship of any criticism of that ridiculous social contagion.
What is Hat's opinion on troonery? Troons are a plague and will cause many innocent children to be hurt if they're not dealt with.
I think he is tolerant of troonery while opposing what he regards as its excesses (basically the original GG position). But this time he really put his foot down and refused to censor at the behest of the admins. I would not have done it, but I know that from him it is principle not looking for lolz, so I do admire it.
I used to be tolerant of troonery but at this point it needs to be heavily opposed. Troonery is going to DIRECTLY hurt a bunch of kids, many troons are child predators, others are rapists and mentally ill fucktards.
These troons need to be sent to a mental ward, not be listened to.
I'm of the opinion that the original KiA2 should be archived, through backup and/or shutting down activity. It's not been as active since your account got suspended, but continued activity risks old conversations being memory holed. IMO, KiA2 had one of the higher signal/noise ratios among mid-sized unorthodox communities.
KiA2 was never safe from anything you dipshit. That's why you insisted on walking on eggshells for its entire existence.
You misunderstood. I'm talking about safety from this banwave. If it's indeed about being offensive to troonery, we are safe this time around due to having walked on eggshells.
What are the other recommended .wins? Are they separate websites (have to sign up for each), or can I subscribe to each and browse like reddit?
Patriots.win is a more asshole version of r/T_D
GreatAwakening.win is a more Q leaning r/conspiracy.
ConsumeProduct.win is...a lot to take in...if you don’t lean that way already.
Here is a more free yet content starved version of r/KIA2.
There is no PCM :-(
The Gaming site is far an away my favorite site. It’s super based, just lacking content [in the genre you like].
I don't lean that way at all, but every time I look at the current state of the culture war and what [[[they]]] seem to be hellbent on doing to western society, I keep thinking that they might have a point about some things.
Not that I would ever advocate going 4R on the world again, but they aren't as crazy as you'd think.
Understood. It just comes as a shock to some people who stumble in there thinking it’s T_D lite and they get erm....blitzkreiged.
It's a more asshole version because people get to actually say what's really on their mind.
Come to learn, when free speech is absolute, people shitpost things they'd never shitpost in real life.
But that's a good thing - it's a safety valve - a place that lets you let off steam and frustration. The left wing censorious cunts doesn't realize that.
That's one thing the team is working on -- originally it was just P.Win and then the other .wins sprung off from there. There should be a tab at the top of the screen with some generic communities
There's also https://communities.win/c/all which can be hit or miss given how small some communities are. No, they're not separate websites but they look like they are given the drastic theme changes from one to another.
There's a lot of potential here, truthfully.
Many of us are Reddit refugees and missed what the place was like. It turned me from a 5-10 message boards user into 1 because it was huge & had great QoL features.
...has anyone gotten ahold of the admins to lfieboat over to scored?
seems they should have done so a while ago, but isn't that what built this network int he first place?
I just had my second account perma banned, too. Didnt tell me why, just a link to the entire set of rules and figure it out, I guess
Was only a matter of time. That being said, has win/scored an api so someone can make proper mobile apps?