"they mean nothing" is simply postmodernism distilled down through someone incapable of understanding postmodernism.
...not that there's anything worth learning in postmodernism -- it's just "they mean nothing" is the kind of inane shit you say when you don't understand the thesis.
Let's be real, most of the people who talk about 'masculinity' and 'femininity' are usually jerking off to their own pet social theories. Even this is a little guilty of it - and that's how you get something as ridiculous as ascribing 'kindness' to 'masculinity.
...But 'Innovation'? How many women ever innovated anything of consequence?* We're seriously talking about single-digit numbers of women per generation. They're more than half the university graduates and they STILL contribute almost nothing worthwhile. Their innovation is literally outpaced by mentally ill men in dresses. Even a broken man innovates more readily than the highest functioning woman!
Accomplishment? Most women's greatest accomplishment in life is producing a son who isn't a criminal, and they usually only succeed in that if a man helps them every single step of the way.
There is some stuff in post-modernism that is useful and true. Deleuzian territorialization for example. That is the idea that there are certain structures in society that will always exist and removing them will always result in the replacement by something else. For example, the deterritorialization of Christianity results in the reterritorialization of the religious space by sodomy and Science™. Lolberts play the role of deterritorializing institutions of orders so that progressives can reterritorialize with institutions of chaos.
Foucault also gets a lot right in his analysis. Madness and Civilization essentially says that insanity is a tool of social control, a means of suppressing disruptive elements. Sovereign is he who decides what is madness. The problem is that he wrote a road map for his pedophilic disciples to declare anyone who opposes raping children to be mad.
This is what irritates me about contemporary philosophy. "Territorialization"? Why must they always lay these neologisms on us?
This describes the hollowing out, the decadence or deliberate subversion of institutions.
As for Foucault, a broken clock is correct twice a day. Thomas Szasz's critique of the mental health establishment is more coherent, and practical in the political sense.
"raising your kids" is your job and any achievements they have are their own
Of course a woman would want accolades for merely fulfilling a responsibility and thinks it is "oppression" when she doesn't get enough of them to her liking.
Do you have kids? Raising smart, well-adjusted, happy and successful children is definitely an accomplishment and something worth feeling proud of. As a parent, you share the achievements of your children.
Hey, now I know zoomer logic! Cherries are red. Therefore, cherriness is inexorably linked to redness. Strawberries merely have a cherriness quotient, they cannot also be red.
I actually agree with the comment. Saying things like 'Innovation', 'Accomplishment' and 'Kindness' isn't defining masculinity at all.
In fact, trying to give any kind of traits to "Masculinity" is in fact just Gender theory and ideology. Masculinity and being a man isn't just having a bunch of labels you live up to or adhere to.
You're a man because you have a Penis.
This fucking site has been infested by a bunch of MGTOW of late, and they keep pushing this dumb Gender Ideology the same as SJW and Trans activists do. It's becoming pretty sad at this point.
Infested? You either believe in men going their own way, or you don't. Nobody in the movement cares if you don't. Like all men you can do what you want.
And I'm not even MGTOW but I know enough to know that those ideologies are not the same. I'd guess MGTOW are more likely to agree with YOU. They are MORE like feminists, in believing that you should not have to conform to traditional gender roles.
You either believe in men going their own way, or you don't. Nobody in the movement cares if you don't. Like all men you can do what you want.
Then you get people like Imp and his "fans" here, who seem to actively recruit and try to make others miserable as they are, by making vast sweeping statements like "Yes, all women", which is quite hypocritical when their complaint is that Feminists say "Yes, all men".
I'd guess MGTOW are more likely to agree with YOU.
Agree with me ? Lol.
They are MORE like feminists
Exactly, a bunch of loons screaming "hypocrisy!" while acting the same way.
in believing that you should not have to conform to traditional gender roles.
You got it reversed. MGTOW believe, like Feminists, that Gender roles need to be adhered to. Unless you're talking about TERFs. But that's not what the modern Intersectional feminist is.
you get people like Imp and his "fans" here, who seem to actively recruit and try to make others miserable as they are, by making vast sweeping statements like "Yes, all women"
And you go around saying "Yes all incels" in other comments, making assumptions about strangers on the internet because they fit into a box of stereotypical behaviors you think they exhibit. You're just as bad as him. It's all confirmation bias and logical chains with no support.
MGTOW believe, like Feminists, that Gender roles need to be adhered to. Unless you're talking about TERFs.
I'm talking about the 2nd wave, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" / "women can do everything men can do" type feminists. What gender roles do you imagine MGTOW follows? Of those I observed, they have a wide spectrum of opinion - since it's not an ideological movement - but most appear to have typical liberal or classical liberal beliefs. TheImpossible1 doesn't represent MGTOW.
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions about things and make judgements based on educated guesses or your personal experience that doesn't necessarily match wider reality.
And you go around screaming "Yes all incels" in other comments
Nope, not all Incels, just the ones brigadding this place.
I'm talking about the 2nd wave, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" / "women can do everything men can do" type feminists. What gender roles do you imagine MGTOW follows?
The ones that are stereotypically male. "Oh no, this boy plays with dolls, he's a feminist!". Have you read an Imp post lately ?
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions
Blame your buddy Imp and his crew for spreading their dogma. I only call it like I read it.
I often skim his posts to see if he had something funny to say. Almost everyone here including him make a good point once in a while.
Yeah I honestly can't imagine that phrase coming from a MGTOW, but like I said they have a wide spectrum of opinions. It looks like the vast majority are bitter divorcees who have been raked over the coals in family court or were cheated on. No specific political leanings but maybe becoming more libertarian and anti-feminist after their previous experiences? (modern feminist that is) Very strong overlap with the MRA in that they simply want to be treated fairly and equally with women, but MGTOW are more accepting that biology and societal views won't change so it's best for men to figuratively drop out and go live innawoods. Most of them are for freely available prostitution, sex robots, or anything that would help men ignore their sexual urge to be dependent on women. (not really sticking to a gender role there)
A smaller segment are the young incels who are attracted by their anti-feminism bent, and I guess some of those are projecting their self-hatred on women in general. Usually the older followers will try to scare them off and encourage them to get some experience with life and women before deciding to go their own way. They give advice for avoiding getting scammed. (no marriage or at least prenups) MGTOW are not against men and women being together if they choose to be.
Finally there's a tiny segment who do want women to be forced into gender roles, while men have freedom to do what they want, but those guys are way beyond "trad-con". They are radicals who want women to be nothing but property and sex slaves. Some of them apparently live in the middle east and love to talk about how a proper wife should act. That doesn't sound very "MGTOW" to me if they want wives in the first place, but whatever. It's not a selective group. Also it's the Internet so who knows how many are random trolls having a laugh or trying to make the rest look bad.
That's not what the comment says, it just says that the 3 traits listed are not "Masculinity". They aren't. And you can't specifically define them either, which is why most new age post-modernists can't answer the question "What is a woman".
What is a woman ? A adult human female. That includes that chick that drives Nascar, does her own oil changes and wears jeans and a wife beater. Because there's no single definition of "Feminity" outside of pure biology. Changing oil on a massive V8 engine isn't "Masculine". Feeding an infant isn't "Feminine". Same goes for more metaphysical things like "Innovation", "Kindness" and "Accomplishments". They aren't inherently feminine or masculine.
Thinking you can assign traits to "Masculinity" is very MGTOW. It's basically exactly the same position as the intersectional, post modernist, feminists hold. Horse shoe theory and all.
I feel like the little bit of exercise I do actually gives me time. It gives me so much more energy to just be that little bit in shape that I don't get tired in the same way. That's outside of all the other benefits of exercise too. Making a tiny bit of regular exercise a priority essentially changed my life.
But these aren't exactly people capable of high level thought we are talking about.
"they mean nothing" is simply postmodernism distilled down through someone incapable of understanding postmodernism.
...not that there's anything worth learning in postmodernism -- it's just "they mean nothing" is the kind of inane shit you say when you don't understand the thesis.
Let's be real, most of the people who talk about 'masculinity' and 'femininity' are usually jerking off to their own pet social theories. Even this is a little guilty of it - and that's how you get something as ridiculous as ascribing 'kindness' to 'masculinity.
...But 'Innovation'? How many women ever innovated anything of consequence?* We're seriously talking about single-digit numbers of women per generation. They're more than half the university graduates and they STILL contribute almost nothing worthwhile. Their innovation is literally outpaced by mentally ill men in dresses. Even a broken man innovates more readily than the highest functioning woman!
Accomplishment? Most women's greatest accomplishment in life is producing a son who isn't a criminal, and they usually only succeed in that if a man helps them every single step of the way.
At the end of the day, I don't disagree with you.
But let's fight the battles of today before we fight tomorrow's tomorrow's battles, okay?
Whoof! If words were stones, you'd have just bludgeoned an entire sex into mincemeat.
If someone is weak, you frequently cannot distinguish their kindness from their deference/cowardice.
There is some stuff in post-modernism that is useful and true. Deleuzian territorialization for example. That is the idea that there are certain structures in society that will always exist and removing them will always result in the replacement by something else. For example, the deterritorialization of Christianity results in the reterritorialization of the religious space by sodomy and Science™. Lolberts play the role of deterritorializing institutions of orders so that progressives can reterritorialize with institutions of chaos.
Foucault also gets a lot right in his analysis. Madness and Civilization essentially says that insanity is a tool of social control, a means of suppressing disruptive elements. Sovereign is he who decides what is madness. The problem is that he wrote a road map for his pedophilic disciples to declare anyone who opposes raping children to be mad.
This is what irritates me about contemporary philosophy. "Territorialization"? Why must they always lay these neologisms on us?
This describes the hollowing out, the decadence or deliberate subversion of institutions.
As for Foucault, a broken clock is correct twice a day. Thomas Szasz's critique of the mental health establishment is more coherent, and practical in the political sense.
accomplishment is not a feminine trait, females are born "accomplished" by virtue of being the bottleneck in propagation of the species
men have to take risks and succeed to prove their traits are worthy of being passed to the next generation
"raising your kids" is your job and any achievements they have are their own
Of course a woman would want accolades for merely fulfilling a responsibility and thinks it is "oppression" when she doesn't get enough of them to her liking.
Do you have kids? Raising smart, well-adjusted, happy and successful children is definitely an accomplishment and something worth feeling proud of. As a parent, you share the achievements of your children.
Hey, now I know zoomer logic! Cherries are red. Therefore, cherriness is inexorably linked to redness. Strawberries merely have a cherriness quotient, they cannot also be red.
nobody:
sjws: why you gotta say "masculine" and "feminine" so much?!
The joke being that if a woman was shown working out at any point, they would instead complain about creep shots or sexualization of women instead.
If masculinity means 'nothing', then obviously you cannot be kind without being masculine.
Guessing that this guy, or whatever this creature is, isn't exactly masculine - so he takes it out on those who are.
I actually agree with the comment. Saying things like 'Innovation', 'Accomplishment' and 'Kindness' isn't defining masculinity at all.
In fact, trying to give any kind of traits to "Masculinity" is in fact just Gender theory and ideology. Masculinity and being a man isn't just having a bunch of labels you live up to or adhere to.
You're a man because you have a Penis.
This fucking site has been infested by a bunch of MGTOW of late, and they keep pushing this dumb Gender Ideology the same as SJW and Trans activists do. It's becoming pretty sad at this point.
Infested? You either believe in men going their own way, or you don't. Nobody in the movement cares if you don't. Like all men you can do what you want.
And I'm not even MGTOW but I know enough to know that those ideologies are not the same. I'd guess MGTOW are more likely to agree with YOU. They are MORE like feminists, in believing that you should not have to conform to traditional gender roles.
Then you get people like Imp and his "fans" here, who seem to actively recruit and try to make others miserable as they are, by making vast sweeping statements like "Yes, all women", which is quite hypocritical when their complaint is that Feminists say "Yes, all men".
Agree with me ? Lol.
Exactly, a bunch of loons screaming "hypocrisy!" while acting the same way.
You got it reversed. MGTOW believe, like Feminists, that Gender roles need to be adhered to. Unless you're talking about TERFs. But that's not what the modern Intersectional feminist is.
And you go around saying "Yes all incels" in other comments, making assumptions about strangers on the internet because they fit into a box of stereotypical behaviors you think they exhibit. You're just as bad as him. It's all confirmation bias and logical chains with no support.
I'm talking about the 2nd wave, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" / "women can do everything men can do" type feminists. What gender roles do you imagine MGTOW follows? Of those I observed, they have a wide spectrum of opinion - since it's not an ideological movement - but most appear to have typical liberal or classical liberal beliefs. TheImpossible1 doesn't represent MGTOW.
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions about things and make judgements based on educated guesses or your personal experience that doesn't necessarily match wider reality.
Nope, not all Incels, just the ones brigadding this place.
The ones that are stereotypically male. "Oh no, this boy plays with dolls, he's a feminist!". Have you read an Imp post lately ?
Blame your buddy Imp and his crew for spreading their dogma. I only call it like I read it.
I often skim his posts to see if he had something funny to say. Almost everyone here including him make a good point once in a while.
Yeah I honestly can't imagine that phrase coming from a MGTOW, but like I said they have a wide spectrum of opinions. It looks like the vast majority are bitter divorcees who have been raked over the coals in family court or were cheated on. No specific political leanings but maybe becoming more libertarian and anti-feminist after their previous experiences? (modern feminist that is) Very strong overlap with the MRA in that they simply want to be treated fairly and equally with women, but MGTOW are more accepting that biology and societal views won't change so it's best for men to figuratively drop out and go live innawoods. Most of them are for freely available prostitution, sex robots, or anything that would help men ignore their sexual urge to be dependent on women. (not really sticking to a gender role there)
A smaller segment are the young incels who are attracted by their anti-feminism bent, and I guess some of those are projecting their self-hatred on women in general. Usually the older followers will try to scare them off and encourage them to get some experience with life and women before deciding to go their own way. They give advice for avoiding getting scammed. (no marriage or at least prenups) MGTOW are not against men and women being together if they choose to be.
Finally there's a tiny segment who do want women to be forced into gender roles, while men have freedom to do what they want, but those guys are way beyond "trad-con". They are radicals who want women to be nothing but property and sex slaves. Some of them apparently live in the middle east and love to talk about how a proper wife should act. That doesn't sound very "MGTOW" to me if they want wives in the first place, but whatever. It's not a selective group. Also it's the Internet so who knows how many are random trolls having a laugh or trying to make the rest look bad.
Thank you for listening to my TED Talk.
That's not what the comment says, it just says that the 3 traits listed are not "Masculinity". They aren't. And you can't specifically define them either, which is why most new age post-modernists can't answer the question "What is a woman".
What is a woman ? A adult human female. That includes that chick that drives Nascar, does her own oil changes and wears jeans and a wife beater. Because there's no single definition of "Feminity" outside of pure biology. Changing oil on a massive V8 engine isn't "Masculine". Feeding an infant isn't "Feminine". Same goes for more metaphysical things like "Innovation", "Kindness" and "Accomplishments". They aren't inherently feminine or masculine.
Thinking you can assign traits to "Masculinity" is very MGTOW. It's basically exactly the same position as the intersectional, post modernist, feminists hold. Horse shoe theory and all.
STFU retard. Masculine is a word and it has a meaning.
Yeah, it's used in grammar to define whether a word is masculine or feminine.
Stop being a Troon lover and supporting John Money's rethoric.
Well yeah, when you don't exercise, it will be too short to exercise.
I feel like the little bit of exercise I do actually gives me time. It gives me so much more energy to just be that little bit in shape that I don't get tired in the same way. That's outside of all the other benefits of exercise too. Making a tiny bit of regular exercise a priority essentially changed my life.
But these aren't exactly people capable of high level thought we are talking about.
At this point the gym is the best part of my day and I would burn harder and more often if I could recover faster.