You either believe in men going their own way, or you don't. Nobody in the movement cares if you don't. Like all men you can do what you want.
Then you get people like Imp and his "fans" here, who seem to actively recruit and try to make others miserable as they are, by making vast sweeping statements like "Yes, all women", which is quite hypocritical when their complaint is that Feminists say "Yes, all men".
I'd guess MGTOW are more likely to agree with YOU.
Agree with me ? Lol.
They are MORE like feminists
Exactly, a bunch of loons screaming "hypocrisy!" while acting the same way.
in believing that you should not have to conform to traditional gender roles.
You got it reversed. MGTOW believe, like Feminists, that Gender roles need to be adhered to. Unless you're talking about TERFs. But that's not what the modern Intersectional feminist is.
you get people like Imp and his "fans" here, who seem to actively recruit and try to make others miserable as they are, by making vast sweeping statements like "Yes, all women"
And you go around saying "Yes all incels" in other comments, making assumptions about strangers on the internet because they fit into a box of stereotypical behaviors you think they exhibit. You're just as bad as him. It's all confirmation bias and logical chains with no support.
MGTOW believe, like Feminists, that Gender roles need to be adhered to. Unless you're talking about TERFs.
I'm talking about the 2nd wave, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" / "women can do everything men can do" type feminists. What gender roles do you imagine MGTOW follows? Of those I observed, they have a wide spectrum of opinion - since it's not an ideological movement - but most appear to have typical liberal or classical liberal beliefs. TheImpossible1 doesn't represent MGTOW.
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions about things and make judgements based on educated guesses or your personal experience that doesn't necessarily match wider reality.
And you go around screaming "Yes all incels" in other comments
Nope, not all Incels, just the ones brigadding this place.
I'm talking about the 2nd wave, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" / "women can do everything men can do" type feminists. What gender roles do you imagine MGTOW follows?
The ones that are stereotypically male. "Oh no, this boy plays with dolls, he's a feminist!". Have you read an Imp post lately ?
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions
Blame your buddy Imp and his crew for spreading their dogma. I only call it like I read it.
I often skim his posts to see if he had something funny to say. Almost everyone here including him make a good point once in a while.
Yeah I honestly can't imagine that phrase coming from a MGTOW, but like I said they have a wide spectrum of opinions. It looks like the vast majority are bitter divorcees who have been raked over the coals in family court or were cheated on. No specific political leanings but maybe becoming more libertarian and anti-feminist after their previous experiences? (modern feminist that is) Very strong overlap with the MRA in that they simply want to be treated fairly and equally with women, but MGTOW are more accepting that biology and societal views won't change so it's best for men to figuratively drop out and go live innawoods. Most of them are for freely available prostitution, sex robots, or anything that would help men ignore their sexual urge to be dependent on women. (not really sticking to a gender role there)
A smaller segment are the young incels who are attracted by their anti-feminism bent, and I guess some of those are projecting their self-hatred on women in general. Usually the older followers will try to scare them off and encourage them to get some experience with life and women before deciding to go their own way. They give advice for avoiding getting scammed. (no marriage or at least prenups) MGTOW are not against men and women being together if they choose to be.
Finally there's a tiny segment who do want women to be forced into gender roles, while men have freedom to do what they want, but those guys are way beyond "trad-con". They are radicals who want women to be nothing but property and sex slaves. Some of them apparently live in the middle east and love to talk about how a proper wife should act. That doesn't sound very "MGTOW" to me if they want wives in the first place, but whatever. It's not a selective group. Also it's the Internet so who knows how many are random trolls having a laugh or trying to make the rest look bad.
Then you get people like Imp and his "fans" here, who seem to actively recruit and try to make others miserable as they are, by making vast sweeping statements like "Yes, all women", which is quite hypocritical when their complaint is that Feminists say "Yes, all men".
Agree with me ? Lol.
Exactly, a bunch of loons screaming "hypocrisy!" while acting the same way.
You got it reversed. MGTOW believe, like Feminists, that Gender roles need to be adhered to. Unless you're talking about TERFs. But that's not what the modern Intersectional feminist is.
And you go around saying "Yes all incels" in other comments, making assumptions about strangers on the internet because they fit into a box of stereotypical behaviors you think they exhibit. You're just as bad as him. It's all confirmation bias and logical chains with no support.
I'm talking about the 2nd wave, "A woman needs a man like a fish needs a bicycle" / "women can do everything men can do" type feminists. What gender roles do you imagine MGTOW follows? Of those I observed, they have a wide spectrum of opinion - since it's not an ideological movement - but most appear to have typical liberal or classical liberal beliefs. TheImpossible1 doesn't represent MGTOW.
You seem to have a lot of preconceived notions about things and make judgements based on educated guesses or your personal experience that doesn't necessarily match wider reality.
Nope, not all Incels, just the ones brigadding this place.
The ones that are stereotypically male. "Oh no, this boy plays with dolls, he's a feminist!". Have you read an Imp post lately ?
Blame your buddy Imp and his crew for spreading their dogma. I only call it like I read it.
I often skim his posts to see if he had something funny to say. Almost everyone here including him make a good point once in a while.
Yeah I honestly can't imagine that phrase coming from a MGTOW, but like I said they have a wide spectrum of opinions. It looks like the vast majority are bitter divorcees who have been raked over the coals in family court or were cheated on. No specific political leanings but maybe becoming more libertarian and anti-feminist after their previous experiences? (modern feminist that is) Very strong overlap with the MRA in that they simply want to be treated fairly and equally with women, but MGTOW are more accepting that biology and societal views won't change so it's best for men to figuratively drop out and go live innawoods. Most of them are for freely available prostitution, sex robots, or anything that would help men ignore their sexual urge to be dependent on women. (not really sticking to a gender role there)
A smaller segment are the young incels who are attracted by their anti-feminism bent, and I guess some of those are projecting their self-hatred on women in general. Usually the older followers will try to scare them off and encourage them to get some experience with life and women before deciding to go their own way. They give advice for avoiding getting scammed. (no marriage or at least prenups) MGTOW are not against men and women being together if they choose to be.
Finally there's a tiny segment who do want women to be forced into gender roles, while men have freedom to do what they want, but those guys are way beyond "trad-con". They are radicals who want women to be nothing but property and sex slaves. Some of them apparently live in the middle east and love to talk about how a proper wife should act. That doesn't sound very "MGTOW" to me if they want wives in the first place, but whatever. It's not a selective group. Also it's the Internet so who knows how many are random trolls having a laugh or trying to make the rest look bad.
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