The right has been talking about the tranny problem from the beginning. Not a single feminist gave a shit until the trannies took their position at the top of the pecking order. This is why TERFs will never be our allies. I'm not against using their hatred of trannies for good, but this bitch just laid out a bunch of excuses to backstab the right after she's used us for her purposes. We'll never be able to coexist with any feminist group, pro or anti tranny, because they constantly play victim and accept nothing less than complete and utter subjugation.
I don't think they hate trannies because they're at the top of the stack, even if we assume they are.
There is no significant number of anti-black feminists. There is no significant number of anti-gay feminists. There aren't even a significant amount of anti-islam feminists, somehow, though there are some that are specifically against burkas. This is all because feminists tend to be good leftists, and agree with left-wing causes. So why are there all these TERFS? Because RFs, or Fs in general, hate men. They hate trannies- specifically MtF trannies- because a man who claims to be a woman gets all the benefits they want only for women, and gets to enter spaces that they want to keep men out of. Their problem with trannies isn't about where they are in the stack, it's that it allows a small number of men to escape the pit they've spent the last fifty years pushing men into and enjoy benefits that they think only women should be allowed to have. When the core of your ideology is that men are disgusting violent oppressive scum and women are virtuous and wonderful, then suddenly one of the disgusting scum puts on a dress and says "I'm just as valuable as you now, can I have my woman-only scholarship?", you react with disgust and hatred. That is what is at the core of being a TERF.
Right. They hate men and have worked for decades to put us at the bottom of the pecking order. They're first and foremost female supremacists. They'll go along with the rest of the (non tranny) intersectionalist bullshit but the only ranking near and dear to their hearts are women = deity, man = subhuman. They're pissed that a subset of men are being allowed out of their lane simply by donning a wig and dress. They know that MtF troons are men and they hate them for it, just like they hate all other men for being male.
Aside: you're getting mad at criticism of troonery yet again.
More like rightly pointing out that troonery is a direct product of radical feminism. They are responsible for driving so many men into this insanity through their relentless denigration and demonisation of men and masculinity. Siding with them when they turn around complain about the troons invading their spaces effectively just amounts to right-wing simping.
Megan Murphy hates you because you are male. She and her ilk are primarily responsible, not only for the crisis of masculinity that has generated the transgender phenomenon in the first place, but also for the regime of state-sponsored censorship and criminalisation of speech that is now being used against them. They do not deserve our sympathy.
More like rightly pointing out that troonery is a direct product of radical feminism.
The funniest thing is that he persuaded himself that "feminists are against troonerey", so he holds the opposite view - requiring him to ignore that nearly all feminists are 100% on board with it.
They are responsible for driving so many men into this insanity through their relentless denigration and demonisation of men and masculinity.
They are responsible for it because of the nonsense they preach, like gender theory. Not this. Because more and more women are trying to be pathetic shadows of men now.
Megan Murphy hates you because you are male.
Even if she does, I don't care. I only care if she is useful, and she is.
There's been far too much simping in nominally right-wing spaces to the Terfs, just because they've been on the receiving end of the pro-troon censorship regime. Suddenly, men in conservative spaces are bending over backwards to show how willing they are to defend women from the big bad trannies. When you do that, you're playing right into the hands of man-hating swamp scum like Megan Murphy, who will turn on you as soon as she gets what she wants from you, and use the right's own rhetoric about "protecting women's spaces" as a stick to beat yet another generation of young men into submission and alienation.
I said this yesterday in a different thread, and I'll repeat it here. However toxic and destructive some of the troons' behaviour is, the overwhelming majority of them are just a bunch of broken men. Our anger should be reserved for the forces that broke them.
There's been far too much simping in nominally right-wing spaces to the Terfs
I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but a distinction needs to be made between simping for the TERFs and wanting to do something about the troon problem for our own reasons. If the troons all disappeared tomorrow the TERFs would benefit, but so would everyone else. I want them dead because they're evil, they touch children, and their insistence on making everything about themselves means they can't leave anyone the fuck alone. Not because the feminists are suffering blowback from causing the problem. And since people use their grooming victims as an excuse to do nothing about the problem every time I say this, I'll add the caveat that this doesn't apply to their victims who haven't helped this cancer metastasize.
However toxic and destructive some of the troons' behaviour is, the overwhelming majority of them are just a bunch of broken men.
You could say the same thing about the (non tranny) pedophiles if you excluded the "just" in that sentence. It doesn't mean they aren't a problem that needs dealing with. That wouldn't change even if those pedophiles also had a habit of raping feminists.
She's not doing he activism for the good of you or me, obviously. But there still can be a symbiotic relationship, and there is.
When you do that, you're playing right into the hands of man-hating swamp scum like Megan Murphy, who will turn on you as soon as she gets what she wants from you, and use the right's own rhetoric about "protecting women's spaces" as a stick to beat yet another generation of young men into submission and alienation.
How exactly?
And even if she does, you need to be able to distinguish between major threats and minor threats. So what if she continues defending women's spaces? Who cares?
However toxic and destructive some of the troons' behaviour is, the overwhelming majority of them are just a bunch of broken men. Our anger should be reserved for the forces that broke them.
That's like saying that you shouldn't be angry at rabid dogs, but at the rabies virus.
you need to be able to distinguish between major threats and minor threats.
Again, I would argue that you're the one who is mistaking the smaller threat for the bigger one.
That's like saying that you shouldn't be angry at rabid dogs, but at the rabies virus.
Vaccinating your dogs against rabies prevents them from going rabid. That is how you solve the problem of rabid dogs. By preventing the virus from reproducing inside its host.
The feminist movement is responsible for the multi-generational destruction, denigration and demonization of men and masculinity: to the point where entire generations of young men have been raised to hate themselves simply for being male. The trans phenomenon is merely an offgrowth of that, if a particularly unpleasant one.
And yes, the trans movement has been latched onto by groomers and predators and pedophiles, who are always looking for new and inventive ways to normalize their behaviour.
But let's examine for a moment the psychology of grooming. Its central goal is to wear down the victim's emotional resistance to the abuse they suffer: to use their own desires against them, and to convince them to blame themselves for the abuse they suffer, to gaslight them into believing that they were somehow asking for this abuse, that they somehow made it happen, and that they somehow deserved it.
Well that precisely describes the techniques that the feminist movement has spent decades deploying against the entire male gender and especially against boys and young men, whose inexperience and emotional immaturity made them more susceptible to the grooming.
What we are (rightly) lambasting the troon ideology for doing to some children in schools and libraries or at pride parades, the feminist movement has already done to three entire generations of boys. Just because the abuse wasn't specific, doesn't mean that the emotional trauma and life-changing consequences of it aren't real.
But we let them get away with it, and we are continuing to let them get away with it by allowing them to carry on as if they are somehow the victims of the consequences of their own actions and rhetoric. They created this problem. You can not solve this problem by siding with them.
So they're simultaneously planning a brilliant Genocide Plan that terrifies you day and night, and which almost succeeded in killing 90% of the human population with the 'vaccine created by women to kill men', only foiled by your unwillingness to take it, but at the same time their attitude towards transgenderism is "OOGA BOOGA. ME LIKE CASTRATING LITTLE BOYS". And it ends up threatening female spaces and mutilating girls.
More like rightly pointing out that troonery is a direct product of radical feminism. They are responsible for driving so many men into this insanity
Imagine still lumping all feminists into a big pile after 2014 and Gamergate happened.
You do understand the TERFs, no matter how much they hate men, hate Intersectional Feminists just as much right ? You realise Troonery is supported by Intersectionals. And thus, this is Feminist on Feminist fighting.
Why are you siding with the Troons is the bigger question ? I bet you like Troon story time for kids too.
Regardless of any ideological differences, feminists are united by their hatred of men, and simping for them is not going to make them hate you any less.
Troonery is a product of feminism, and they will never acknowledge their role in creating this problem because, being feminists, their goal is to ensure that women never have to accept responsibility for anything. You will never be able to solve this problem by siding with the terfs against the troons. Troonery is a symptom. Feminism is the disease.
Speaking about feminists and transgenderism, I'm working on a theory that connects them to it and proves that it's something that came out of women's hatred definitively.
I guess if there's a theory, then that proves it definitively.
Speaking of the Ford Foundation...
Are you citing Christina Hoff Sommers, someone notorious for being a woman and who therefore wants me dead and tortured? Maybe she is just trying to destroy the Ford Foundation's good work. I DO NOT TRUST THEEEEM!
Sally Miller Gearhart, who created the essay I quote ad infinitum, was the first ever creator of a gender studies curriculum.
That's got to be the weakest argument against Gender Studies in existence.
Unless someone has a copy of the curriculum themselves that disproves it, my theory that Gearhart was actively involved in normalizing transgenderism holds up.
This does not follow.
Male genocide advocates created transgenderism, and now they're getting scared of their victims overthrowing them.
Yes, this is the best part - where you don't realize that 95% of your dreaded feminists support this nonsense. I guess it's copium or something.
Did you witness the Big Bang? No, but the theory is widely accepted as fact because it's the most logical explanation for the formation of the universe.
Your piffle is not 'the Big Bang'...
Hoff Sommers is a grifter, but I still think you're being facetious.
What?!? I finally agree with you that the evil womens are trying to literally murder us, and you make such heinous accusations against me?
You don't think the involvement of someone who wanted to "reduce the male population to 10%" in something that led to mass castration is something we should be looking into?
I think you make stuff up. I think you see 'connections' where there aren't, because you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
You realize that if Gearhart is identified as the source of transgenderism's academic popularity, it shows that male genocide advocacy has far more influence than people accept.
It's completely pointless. Even if true, it makes 0 difference. Focus on digging and archiving, instead of this garbage.
Her by line has her listed as the founder and editor for a site called "Feminist Current." No one with a functioning brain thinks she's right wing, nor accepts any claim that she is.
Stumbling upon a reality based opinion every now and then isn't enough to be right wing. It's just one of those rare good takes coming from the mouth of a feminist that doesn't require correction.
The right has been talking about the tranny problem from the beginning. Not a single feminist gave a shit until the trannies took their position at the top of the pecking order. This is why TERFs will never be our allies. I'm not against using their hatred of trannies for good, but this bitch just laid out a bunch of excuses to backstab the right after she's used us for her purposes. We'll never be able to coexist with any feminist group, pro or anti tranny, because they constantly play victim and accept nothing less than complete and utter subjugation.
Correct. The enemy of my enemy is possibly a temporary ally of convenience.
We will never be able to co-exist with feminists because their ideology is a Marxist weapon used to destroy society.
They should be treated exactly like the biological weapons they are.
I don't think they hate trannies because they're at the top of the stack, even if we assume they are.
There is no significant number of anti-black feminists. There is no significant number of anti-gay feminists. There aren't even a significant amount of anti-islam feminists, somehow, though there are some that are specifically against burkas. This is all because feminists tend to be good leftists, and agree with left-wing causes. So why are there all these TERFS? Because RFs, or Fs in general, hate men. They hate trannies- specifically MtF trannies- because a man who claims to be a woman gets all the benefits they want only for women, and gets to enter spaces that they want to keep men out of. Their problem with trannies isn't about where they are in the stack, it's that it allows a small number of men to escape the pit they've spent the last fifty years pushing men into and enjoy benefits that they think only women should be allowed to have. When the core of your ideology is that men are disgusting violent oppressive scum and women are virtuous and wonderful, then suddenly one of the disgusting scum puts on a dress and says "I'm just as valuable as you now, can I have my woman-only scholarship?", you react with disgust and hatred. That is what is at the core of being a TERF.
Right. They hate men and have worked for decades to put us at the bottom of the pecking order. They're first and foremost female supremacists. They'll go along with the rest of the (non tranny) intersectionalist bullshit but the only ranking near and dear to their hearts are women = deity, man = subhuman. They're pissed that a subset of men are being allowed out of their lane simply by donning a wig and dress. They know that MtF troons are men and they hate them for it, just like they hate all other men for being male.
She wouldn't call herself a right-winger either.
But doesn't mean she cannot be useful.
Aside: you're getting mad at criticism of troonery yet again.
More like rightly pointing out that troonery is a direct product of radical feminism. They are responsible for driving so many men into this insanity through their relentless denigration and demonisation of men and masculinity. Siding with them when they turn around complain about the troons invading their spaces effectively just amounts to right-wing simping.
Megan Murphy hates you because you are male. She and her ilk are primarily responsible, not only for the crisis of masculinity that has generated the transgender phenomenon in the first place, but also for the regime of state-sponsored censorship and criminalisation of speech that is now being used against them. They do not deserve our sympathy.
The funniest thing is that he persuaded himself that "feminists are against troonerey", so he holds the opposite view - requiring him to ignore that nearly all feminists are 100% on board with it.
They are responsible for it because of the nonsense they preach, like gender theory. Not this. Because more and more women are trying to be pathetic shadows of men now.
Even if she does, I don't care. I only care if she is useful, and she is.
I would argue that she is using you.
There's been far too much simping in nominally right-wing spaces to the Terfs, just because they've been on the receiving end of the pro-troon censorship regime. Suddenly, men in conservative spaces are bending over backwards to show how willing they are to defend women from the big bad trannies. When you do that, you're playing right into the hands of man-hating swamp scum like Megan Murphy, who will turn on you as soon as she gets what she wants from you, and use the right's own rhetoric about "protecting women's spaces" as a stick to beat yet another generation of young men into submission and alienation.
I said this yesterday in a different thread, and I'll repeat it here. However toxic and destructive some of the troons' behaviour is, the overwhelming majority of them are just a bunch of broken men. Our anger should be reserved for the forces that broke them.
I'm not saying this doesn't happen, but a distinction needs to be made between simping for the TERFs and wanting to do something about the troon problem for our own reasons. If the troons all disappeared tomorrow the TERFs would benefit, but so would everyone else. I want them dead because they're evil, they touch children, and their insistence on making everything about themselves means they can't leave anyone the fuck alone. Not because the feminists are suffering blowback from causing the problem. And since people use their grooming victims as an excuse to do nothing about the problem every time I say this, I'll add the caveat that this doesn't apply to their victims who haven't helped this cancer metastasize.
You could say the same thing about the (non tranny) pedophiles if you excluded the "just" in that sentence. It doesn't mean they aren't a problem that needs dealing with. That wouldn't change even if those pedophiles also had a habit of raping feminists.
She's not doing he activism for the good of you or me, obviously. But there still can be a symbiotic relationship, and there is.
How exactly?
And even if she does, you need to be able to distinguish between major threats and minor threats. So what if she continues defending women's spaces? Who cares?
That's like saying that you shouldn't be angry at rabid dogs, but at the rabies virus.
Again, I would argue that you're the one who is mistaking the smaller threat for the bigger one.
Vaccinating your dogs against rabies prevents them from going rabid. That is how you solve the problem of rabid dogs. By preventing the virus from reproducing inside its host.
The feminist movement is responsible for the multi-generational destruction, denigration and demonization of men and masculinity: to the point where entire generations of young men have been raised to hate themselves simply for being male. The trans phenomenon is merely an offgrowth of that, if a particularly unpleasant one.
And yes, the trans movement has been latched onto by groomers and predators and pedophiles, who are always looking for new and inventive ways to normalize their behaviour.
But let's examine for a moment the psychology of grooming. Its central goal is to wear down the victim's emotional resistance to the abuse they suffer: to use their own desires against them, and to convince them to blame themselves for the abuse they suffer, to gaslight them into believing that they were somehow asking for this abuse, that they somehow made it happen, and that they somehow deserved it.
Well that precisely describes the techniques that the feminist movement has spent decades deploying against the entire male gender and especially against boys and young men, whose inexperience and emotional immaturity made them more susceptible to the grooming.
What we are (rightly) lambasting the troon ideology for doing to some children in schools and libraries or at pride parades, the feminist movement has already done to three entire generations of boys. Just because the abuse wasn't specific, doesn't mean that the emotional trauma and life-changing consequences of it aren't real.
But we let them get away with it, and we are continuing to let them get away with it by allowing them to carry on as if they are somehow the victims of the consequences of their own actions and rhetoric. They created this problem. You can not solve this problem by siding with them.
So they're simultaneously planning a brilliant Genocide Plan that terrifies you day and night, and which almost succeeded in killing 90% of the human population with the 'vaccine created by women to kill men', only foiled by your unwillingness to take it, but at the same time their attitude towards transgenderism is "OOGA BOOGA. ME LIKE CASTRATING LITTLE BOYS". And it ends up threatening female spaces and mutilating girls.
Makes perfect snese.
He invaded on the first day of summer.
Or maybe, maybe, your crazy ideas are just that: crazy.
Your lack of critical thinking does not really inspire confidence in what you espouse now.
Imagine still lumping all feminists into a big pile after 2014 and Gamergate happened.
You do understand the TERFs, no matter how much they hate men, hate Intersectional Feminists just as much right ? You realise Troonery is supported by Intersectionals. And thus, this is Feminist on Feminist fighting.
Why are you siding with the Troons is the bigger question ? I bet you like Troon story time for kids too.
Regardless of any ideological differences, feminists are united by their hatred of men, and simping for them is not going to make them hate you any less.
Troonery is a product of feminism, and they will never acknowledge their role in creating this problem because, being feminists, their goal is to ensure that women never have to accept responsibility for anything. You will never be able to solve this problem by siding with the terfs against the troons. Troonery is a symptom. Feminism is the disease.
This is how I know you are either trolling or haven't been paying attention at all.
Obviously you are incapable of reading to the end of a sentence.
I don't need to when the start of the sentence is pants on head retarded. Why waste time on a post that's so obviously divorced from basic reality.
Simp harder. The feminists will still hate you.
I guess if there's a theory, then that proves it definitively.
Are you citing Christina Hoff Sommers, someone notorious for being a woman and who therefore wants me dead and tortured? Maybe she is just trying to destroy the Ford Foundation's good work. I DO NOT TRUST THEEEEM!
That's got to be the weakest argument against Gender Studies in existence.
This does not follow.
Yes, this is the best part - where you don't realize that 95% of your dreaded feminists support this nonsense. I guess it's copium or something.
I think your understanding of 'proof' is a tiny bit flawed.
So you literally cite a genocidal, pro-torture, murderous WOMAN? I'd rather that you cite a source that doesn't want me DEAD.
Same reason we don't torture dogs because Hitler loved animals.
Right, except that 95% of your feminists are still 100% on board with this monster.
Same reason they want underage girls to be raped in Rotherham.
Your piffle is not 'the Big Bang'...
What?!? I finally agree with you that the evil womens are trying to literally murder us, and you make such heinous accusations against me?
I think you make stuff up. I think you see 'connections' where there aren't, because you're a paranoid schizophrenic.
It's completely pointless. Even if true, it makes 0 difference. Focus on digging and archiving, instead of this garbage.
Cosmic Background Radiation.
Look it up.
Yes, we did observe the big bang.
Her by line has her listed as the founder and editor for a site called "Feminist Current." No one with a functioning brain thinks she's right wing, nor accepts any claim that she is.
Stumbling upon a reality based opinion every now and then isn't enough to be right wing. It's just one of those rare good takes coming from the mouth of a feminist that doesn't require correction.
feminists created the tranny problem then expect us to help them fix it so they can go back to stabbing us in the back again.