In reality bosses want their workers back and most workers would rather stay at home. Pure self interest is the deciding factor, and it's divided by class, not sex and race.
Workers would rather stay home because it's more comfortable and lets them turn their wasted time into useful time. (10 minutes until the meeting starts? Put in a load of laundry)
Supervisors and bosses would rather have you at the physical location so they can control your productivity and crack down on wasted time better.
That's pretty much all there is to it, invoking gender and race politics here is sheer delusion.
But these articles always feel far-removed and alien to me, because neither myself nor anyone I know does office work. We all do machining. The constant assumptions that the country runs on office work feels like a fantasy of white collar urbanites, and their complaints over office politics feel like the histrionics of a rich woman who can't see outside her sphere.
When you work an actual, valuable job you don't want people paid to do their house chores and you don't want to be one of those people. There's morale in knowing that everybody is there at least pretending to work, and knowing how easy it is for at-home workers to get paid to jerk off destroys morale.
So I think it is by race. There's more white people (and asians) doing real work where they actually care about doing a good job and about their coworkers not being parasites.
Note the actual survey asked whether the respondent wanted to work at the office. If they asked whether everybody should have to I'm sure it would be even more obvious what's going on.
Some of us also just hate the isolation of working from home. It doesn't make for a good team dynamic. It's the same phenomenon of people fooling themselves into thinking that their 500 friends on Facebook constitute a social life when it's been six years since they last went out to do something in real life with an actual friend. Digital interaction is not synonymous with in person interaction and some of us have the capacity to recognize that difference and the importance of it.
Sure. I didn't mean to imply it's only reason, but I also think it's not totally unrelated to your point. I feel that when people are doing actual, real work they have a better attitude and are more fun to be around.
Most people who fell in love with remote work are those with shit jobs working for shitty people. Anyone who has a good job working with good people isn't going to have such a fierce aversion to returning to the office.
When you work an actual, valuable job you don't want people paid to do their house chores and you don't want to be one of those people. There's morale in knowing that everybody is there at least pretending to work, and knowing how easy it is for at-home workers to get paid to jerk off destroys morale.
As something of an asshole who hates goldbrickers even though it doesn't always directly affect me, it bothered me pre-pandemic when I'd see people online posting things and saying "oh I'm at work right now and I have nothing to do but spend hours posting on Reddit." And I can't help but see these types of people as the majority of those working at home and living the dream as they do even less work without any kind of supervision. They've finally came into their own and when their jobs become redundant, I bet they can't wait to transition over to UBI so they can continue their lifestyle.
Yeah, these people are parasites. There are people that do office work that actually do work and put in crazy hours. Then their are diversity hires that are their just to fill a quota. They don't do anything, and if they do they just make more problems.
It's best if they just stay home and "work". They aren't needed. They aren't wanted. They are just their to satisfy HR and avoid lawsuits from the liberal hegemony.
But these articles always feel far-removed and alien to me, because neither myself nor anyone I know does office work. We all do machining. The constant assumptions that the country runs on office work feels like a fantasy of white collar urbanites, and their complaints over office politics feel like the hystrionics of a rich woman who can't see outside her sphere.
For the past two years I've felt like there are only dozens of us who actually had to get up and go to work consistently during the whole entire thing. I feel totally out of the loop and this as retarded a question as it gets but seriously, did people really "quarantine" and stay home for weeks/months at a time working remotely and never even have to leave their house? Or is this one of those things where when I go online I'm entering the world of "knowledge workers" where most of them do things capable of remote work and living that lifestyle?
Seriously Time? What is the point of this article? We started going back to the office twice a week. Work from home is convenient though. But I swear if they are lacking on content they just find something about white men to whine about.
Says a lot about a person if you give someone that much power over you
I think hybrid work will be best going forward. Meet up with the team one or two days a week to catch up and socialize, stay home and "work" in peace the rest of the time. Only after working from home did I realize how tiresome listening to ambient BS all day in an open office is. However, I also realized Teams is no substitute for face to face communication.
I've yet to work a job that was capable of being done remotely (disclaimer). But since the pandemic began and it seems like so many people online were boasting about going remote, all I can think is it seems like a slippery slope. If your job can be done remotely, what's to stop it from being outsourced to another country? Do people not think about this? I never see it mentioned.
If you can do your job more efficiently lounging around your house in your pajamas after getting up whenever you felt like it, sit down at your computer now and again during Netflix breaks when you feel like it, and get things done without having to bother to go to the office for 2 years you are either really fucking important and living the 4-Hour Workweek dream or you're going to be replaced by someone much cheaper (or something such as AI) in the next few years.
No, control freak managers of all races and sexes want to go back to office, and workers of all races and sexes don't. It's really quite simple. Mr. Big Shot Manager can't walk around and flaunt what a big shot he is if everyone is working remotely. This is really just about people in the cool kid's club wanting to feel better than everyone else again.
Office is only bearable when you realize it's told from a woke liberal point of view. It's one of the first shows to do this and people weren't wise to it then.
When you adjust it to a neutral point of view, Dwight shines as the hero. He's honest, hard working - the best at his job - most supporting, most caring, most loyal. He has actual principles and honor.
Yesh, he's a gullible, sycophantic, autocrat, but how much of that is just liberal writers vilifying him?
From a neutral POV there's nobody on the show I'd respect more or rather work with.
The Office was a continuation of the idea that TV started pushing in the 80s/90s that perusing a career could be a substitute for starting a family, except now they were pushing the idea that one's job could be a substitute for one's social life. Which is why you see them having picnics, playing video games, having office romances, and hating on the one guy (Stanley) who just wants to work his 8 hours uninterrupted so he can go home to see his wife and kids.
This corresponded to what all the "hip" tech companies at the time were starting to offer as perks: free lunches at the cafeteria, company arcade rooms, and so on. All to keep you at the office for as long as possible and to keep you from ever wanting to leave a job because to do so would upset your social life too much.
And now 20 years later companies are actively cultivating its employees' social lives with company sponsored clubs and the like. Which is a recipe for disaster for anyone foolish enough to attend them.
I think that WFH stuff is nonsense and needlessly blends the work/home divide. I think having that divide is am absolute necessity for one's mental health so I was so glad when my workplace opened back up.
Edit: speaking to others, they felt like they were trapped in a prison. They'd wake up in their little box, work at their computer all day, go to class at night, and go to sleep ad infinitum because everywhere was locked down.
Work from home conjures up images of the wealthy SOHO urbanite leisurely working at their laptop at a nice Cafe without a care in the world, but the workers go in thinking that's the norm and not the exception (if such an "idyllic" life even exists)
I slogged through half of that pitiful excuse of an article before dismissing it as the same old tired victim-complex whinging which sounds like a toddler who wasn't allowed to fill their fists with all the candy they could carry in the checkout aisle.
Over here, the vote was unanimously in favour of continuing to work from home. From the "white dude bros" to the "poor underpaid PoC single moms", no one wanted to have to travel in to the office to perform office work that they've been doing perfectly well for the past two year.
From sitting in traffic, fuel costs, parking costs, garbage public transport, having to deal with the kids' school/sports travel arrangements, and just general shitty open-plan office environment.
If your task for today is to sit in quiet concentration and finish some mechanical engineering design, or reconcile account ledgers, or review an internal audit report, or push code from dev to production on a Friday afternoon, why do you need to waste two hours in traffic to sit in a human battery farm, when instead, you can complete the same task from home in half the time with half the mistakes?
The people who are slacking off at home and being unproductive, are the same people who, when in the office, mastered the art of appearing to be busy, while playing their managers like a fiddle and not meeting any of their deliverables, and instead float around the office distracting and disturbing the people who are actually working.
IMHO, if the issue is employee performance, then forcing bums into seats and having the manager walk up and down like a schoolteacher is an archaic way of attempting to solve the problem. Invest in a proper ticket/action/project management system to track whether work is being done, and let the managers spend their time distributing the work among their team instead of timing their reportees' toilet breaks.
This explains a lot.
Also: A foreigner shitting on White people, how unexpected.
Lmao, as a woman she's literally complaining that returning to a workplace made up entirely of women is a hellish nightmare experience.
From the article:
All the b.s. in the article before this is just a burying the lead with a huge distraction.
In reality bosses want their workers back and most workers would rather stay at home. Pure self interest is the deciding factor, and it's divided by class, not sex and race.
Workers would rather stay home because it's more comfortable and lets them turn their wasted time into useful time. (10 minutes until the meeting starts? Put in a load of laundry) Supervisors and bosses would rather have you at the physical location so they can control your productivity and crack down on wasted time better.
That's pretty much all there is to it, invoking gender and race politics here is sheer delusion.
But these articles always feel far-removed and alien to me, because neither myself nor anyone I know does office work. We all do machining. The constant assumptions that the country runs on office work feels like a fantasy of white collar urbanites, and their complaints over office politics feel like the histrionics of a rich woman who can't see outside her sphere.
When you work an actual, valuable job you don't want people paid to do their house chores and you don't want to be one of those people. There's morale in knowing that everybody is there at least pretending to work, and knowing how easy it is for at-home workers to get paid to jerk off destroys morale.
So I think it is by race. There's more white people (and asians) doing real work where they actually care about doing a good job and about their coworkers not being parasites.
Note the actual survey asked whether the respondent wanted to work at the office. If they asked whether everybody should have to I'm sure it would be even more obvious what's going on.
Some of us also just hate the isolation of working from home. It doesn't make for a good team dynamic. It's the same phenomenon of people fooling themselves into thinking that their 500 friends on Facebook constitute a social life when it's been six years since they last went out to do something in real life with an actual friend. Digital interaction is not synonymous with in person interaction and some of us have the capacity to recognize that difference and the importance of it.
Sure. I didn't mean to imply it's only reason, but I also think it's not totally unrelated to your point. I feel that when people are doing actual, real work they have a better attitude and are more fun to be around.
Correct.
Most people who fell in love with remote work are those with shit jobs working for shitty people. Anyone who has a good job working with good people isn't going to have such a fierce aversion to returning to the office.
As something of an asshole who hates goldbrickers even though it doesn't always directly affect me, it bothered me pre-pandemic when I'd see people online posting things and saying "oh I'm at work right now and I have nothing to do but spend hours posting on Reddit." And I can't help but see these types of people as the majority of those working at home and living the dream as they do even less work without any kind of supervision. They've finally came into their own and when their jobs become redundant, I bet they can't wait to transition over to UBI so they can continue their lifestyle.
Yeah, these people are parasites. There are people that do office work that actually do work and put in crazy hours. Then their are diversity hires that are their just to fill a quota. They don't do anything, and if they do they just make more problems.
It's best if they just stay home and "work". They aren't needed. They aren't wanted. They are just their to satisfy HR and avoid lawsuits from the liberal hegemony.
For the past two years I've felt like there are only dozens of us who actually had to get up and go to work consistently during the whole entire thing. I feel totally out of the loop and this as retarded a question as it gets but seriously, did people really "quarantine" and stay home for weeks/months at a time working remotely and never even have to leave their house? Or is this one of those things where when I go online I'm entering the world of "knowledge workers" where most of them do things capable of remote work and living that lifestyle?
I'm still working from home. I never quarantined but I'll take the perk.
I disagree completely, this whole narrative they've cooked up is their tactic describing everything backwards, of how it is.
What most workers want is the office to return to a point of sanity. Most people do not want to work in social isolation cubes.
It sounds like what you're saying is a conclusion from the carefully manipulated gossip network.
The people are good at manipulating these these neyworks are the people who most want no office.
Seriously Time? What is the point of this article? We started going back to the office twice a week. Work from home is convenient though. But I swear if they are lacking on content they just find something about white men to whine about.
Says a lot about a person if you give someone that much power over you
shut the fuck up, tumor.
She's saying she can't stand the thought of returning to the workplace that she created via her ideology.
Nice hormonal word salad as usual.
I think hybrid work will be best going forward. Meet up with the team one or two days a week to catch up and socialize, stay home and "work" in peace the rest of the time. Only after working from home did I realize how tiresome listening to ambient BS all day in an open office is. However, I also realized Teams is no substitute for face to face communication.
I've yet to work a job that was capable of being done remotely (disclaimer). But since the pandemic began and it seems like so many people online were boasting about going remote, all I can think is it seems like a slippery slope. If your job can be done remotely, what's to stop it from being outsourced to another country? Do people not think about this? I never see it mentioned.
If you can do your job more efficiently lounging around your house in your pajamas after getting up whenever you felt like it, sit down at your computer now and again during Netflix breaks when you feel like it, and get things done without having to bother to go to the office for 2 years you are either really fucking important and living the 4-Hour Workweek dream or you're going to be replaced by someone much cheaper (or something such as AI) in the next few years.
It depends what you were doing at the office, and most of those people who were working in the office are also replaceable.
No, control freak managers of all races and sexes want to go back to office, and workers of all races and sexes don't. It's really quite simple. Mr. Big Shot Manager can't walk around and flaunt what a big shot he is if everyone is working remotely. This is really just about people in the cool kid's club wanting to feel better than everyone else again.
Fuck the office. That show was terrible and you cannot convince me otherwise!
Office is only bearable when you realize it's told from a woke liberal point of view. It's one of the first shows to do this and people weren't wise to it then.
When you adjust it to a neutral point of view, Dwight shines as the hero. He's honest, hard working - the best at his job - most supporting, most caring, most loyal. He has actual principles and honor.
Yesh, he's a gullible, sycophantic, autocrat, but how much of that is just liberal writers vilifying him?
From a neutral POV there's nobody on the show I'd respect more or rather work with.
The Office was a continuation of the idea that TV started pushing in the 80s/90s that perusing a career could be a substitute for starting a family, except now they were pushing the idea that one's job could be a substitute for one's social life. Which is why you see them having picnics, playing video games, having office romances, and hating on the one guy (Stanley) who just wants to work his 8 hours uninterrupted so he can go home to see his wife and kids.
This corresponded to what all the "hip" tech companies at the time were starting to offer as perks: free lunches at the cafeteria, company arcade rooms, and so on. All to keep you at the office for as long as possible and to keep you from ever wanting to leave a job because to do so would upset your social life too much.
And now 20 years later companies are actively cultivating its employees' social lives with company sponsored clubs and the like. Which is a recipe for disaster for anyone foolish enough to attend them.
I think that WFH stuff is nonsense and needlessly blends the work/home divide. I think having that divide is am absolute necessity for one's mental health so I was so glad when my workplace opened back up.
Edit: speaking to others, they felt like they were trapped in a prison. They'd wake up in their little box, work at their computer all day, go to class at night, and go to sleep ad infinitum because everywhere was locked down.
Work from home conjures up images of the wealthy SOHO urbanite leisurely working at their laptop at a nice Cafe without a care in the world, but the workers go in thinking that's the norm and not the exception (if such an "idyllic" life even exists)
Because they actually work?
"White people want to be productive, and here's why thats a problem"
I slogged through half of that pitiful excuse of an article before dismissing it as the same old tired victim-complex whinging which sounds like a toddler who wasn't allowed to fill their fists with all the candy they could carry in the checkout aisle.
Over here, the vote was unanimously in favour of continuing to work from home. From the "white dude bros" to the "poor underpaid PoC single moms", no one wanted to have to travel in to the office to perform office work that they've been doing perfectly well for the past two year.
From sitting in traffic, fuel costs, parking costs, garbage public transport, having to deal with the kids' school/sports travel arrangements, and just general shitty open-plan office environment.
If your task for today is to sit in quiet concentration and finish some mechanical engineering design, or reconcile account ledgers, or review an internal audit report, or push code from dev to production on a Friday afternoon, why do you need to waste two hours in traffic to sit in a human battery farm, when instead, you can complete the same task from home in half the time with half the mistakes?
The people who are slacking off at home and being unproductive, are the same people who, when in the office, mastered the art of appearing to be busy, while playing their managers like a fiddle and not meeting any of their deliverables, and instead float around the office distracting and disturbing the people who are actually working.
IMHO, if the issue is employee performance, then forcing bums into seats and having the manager walk up and down like a schoolteacher is an archaic way of attempting to solve the problem. Invest in a proper ticket/action/project management system to track whether work is being done, and let the managers spend their time distributing the work among their team instead of timing their reportees' toilet breaks.