I love how he said Manchin would have explaining to do to the people of West Virginia. Manchin knew that would be the case either way and it's a lot easier to explain voting against the inflation bill to the second reddest state in the Union.
He keeps getting reelected because he's the most conservative Democrat in the Senate and thus willing to buck his party as we're seeing now. That and the fact he brings a lot of federal money and resources into his state, just like his predecessor Robert Byrd.
I don't know if he'll be able to pull it off again in 2024, especially if Trump runs. He barely won in 2018, and he would have lost had the Libertarians not taken 4% of the vote, and that was a good year for the Democrats. Back then he could run as someone who could work across the aisle and would stand up to his own party. Since then he's voted to convict Trump in 2 impeachment proceedings, and that might be enough to erase his narrow lead if the Republicans don't fuck up the election.
At this point whether republicans fuck up depends on whether the gop candidate will fight the fraud or not. Virginia was won by having more vigilant poll watchers, New Jersey was lost by refusing to contest the ballot stuffing.
I suspect the vast majority of Democrats rely on cheating to get their seats. 2018 was the first extremely widespread case where they blatantly kept finding more ballots until they won, though they've clearly been doing that on a smaller scale since Al Franken.
A lot of older people in the rust belt vote Democrat because of unions. They are pretty conservative, socially, but the Dems bought their vote and so now voting blue is just the done thing.
It's pretty wild to see in action. Back when I lived up there I knew a guy who was a factory worker for life, until he wasn't. He ended up delivering pizza at 60-something. Being a college town he was able to make a living but also exposed to progressivism. He hated it. He would openly talk about "those faggots and these niggers" but would vote Dem because they "had his back"
The Dems kind of dropped the ball on this and that's why you are seeing "traditionally" blue pro-union areas going red.
The children and grand-children of people like the guy I mentioned, not having to work in a factory and being afforded the chance to go to college, vote Dem almost solely for the progressive politics. It's funny, in a tragic way.
I do not believe it is just or right to hang a representitive for doing what his voter's asked for. People voted for people that would give them bills like this. A vast amount of voters. Who really is to blame? Could it be us? We know people who vote for this. The politicians are giving them what they want or the politicians lose their jobs.
Lazy people demanding "free money", Equality, and robbing others for their wealth - these people vote. There are a lot of them. They believe they are right, that they are just, and they hate you for trying to stop them from robbing you.
Are they actually giving away free money? Last time I checked there we paltry few handouts given to actual people and a huge number of handouts to businesses and the exact wealthy people they pretend to be fighting against.
"free preschool" - indoctrinate your kids with stress and neurosis even earlier.
"free eye exams for seniors" - it sounds nice but if you've been to the eye doctor lately you know they'll resell you the same pair of glasses every 2 years and fill it with the crappiest most expensive lens material they sell
"negotiating on prescription prices" - this is fine but it doesn't sound like it will actually affect me as it only affects if the gov is buying the medication
Equality
Racism.
and robbing others for their wealth
You know, I don't care about this much because returning the tax rate to where it was before is hardly "robbing" rich people.
But it seems like they're just transferring wealth from one group of rich people to another.
I actually don't see that happening. I've never seen defections on both sides on the same vote. It's either Manchin or Sinema standing with all the Republicans or Romney, Collins, or Murkowski standing with all the Democrats.
Interesting info, and the part where both sides defect on near unanimous bills matches what I've seen as well (think the annual defense bill). One thing I notice about the examples you give is that they're not the votes everyone is watching and the media reports on, like signature legislation, Supreme Court nominees, and impeachment votes. I was surprised to find out that 5 House Democrats supported the Clinton impeachment, although most of those were conservative Democrats who later become Republicans.
It's all theatre. It's all decided well ahead of time. Democracts and Republicans are the same team. They come out of one locker room they just put on different colored jerseys to fool the spectators. The Establishment, The Cult, The Deep State, whatever you call it is, I imagine, well-structured and formalized at that level. I'm sure they hold regular meetings with roll calls and shit.
Instead you got another old faggot to be president. :D
I love how he said Manchin would have explaining to do to the people of West Virginia. Manchin knew that would be the case either way and it's a lot easier to explain voting against the inflation bill to the second reddest state in the Union.
Is sanders fully senile now? Does he think West Virginia democrats are the same as Vermont democrats?
What an idiotic old man.
He keeps getting reelected because he's the most conservative Democrat in the Senate and thus willing to buck his party as we're seeing now. That and the fact he brings a lot of federal money and resources into his state, just like his predecessor Robert Byrd.
I don't know if he'll be able to pull it off again in 2024, especially if Trump runs. He barely won in 2018, and he would have lost had the Libertarians not taken 4% of the vote, and that was a good year for the Democrats. Back then he could run as someone who could work across the aisle and would stand up to his own party. Since then he's voted to convict Trump in 2 impeachment proceedings, and that might be enough to erase his narrow lead if the Republicans don't fuck up the election.
At this point whether republicans fuck up depends on whether the gop candidate will fight the fraud or not. Virginia was won by having more vigilant poll watchers, New Jersey was lost by refusing to contest the ballot stuffing.
I suspect the vast majority of Democrats rely on cheating to get their seats. 2018 was the first extremely widespread case where they blatantly kept finding more ballots until they won, though they've clearly been doing that on a smaller scale since Al Franken.
A lot of older people in the rust belt vote Democrat because of unions. They are pretty conservative, socially, but the Dems bought their vote and so now voting blue is just the done thing.
It's pretty wild to see in action. Back when I lived up there I knew a guy who was a factory worker for life, until he wasn't. He ended up delivering pizza at 60-something. Being a college town he was able to make a living but also exposed to progressivism. He hated it. He would openly talk about "those faggots and these niggers" but would vote Dem because they "had his back"
The Dems kind of dropped the ball on this and that's why you are seeing "traditionally" blue pro-union areas going red.
The children and grand-children of people like the guy I mentioned, not having to work in a factory and being afforded the chance to go to college, vote Dem almost solely for the progressive politics. It's funny, in a tragic way.
Dems hate white people now. A record low number of people are in unions. More colored people every day. Math works out.
HONK HONK
I mean... between him and biden i think i'd rather eat a fucking bullet but they put an actual communist anywhere near budget planning... god damn.
Taking other people's money sounds really good when you don't have anything and you are stupid and lazy. That's the majority in the USA right now.
Not only should no one vote for this, but everyone who even proposes a bill like this should be hanged for treason
I do not believe it is just or right to hang a representitive for doing what his voter's asked for. People voted for people that would give them bills like this. A vast amount of voters. Who really is to blame? Could it be us? We know people who vote for this. The politicians are giving them what they want or the politicians lose their jobs.
Lazy people demanding "free money", Equality, and robbing others for their wealth - these people vote. There are a lot of them. They believe they are right, that they are just, and they hate you for trying to stop them from robbing you.
Meh there are some gibs, but a lot of it will go the wealthy. In other words, people think that they want it; it's not really for them though.
Are they actually giving away free money? Last time I checked there we paltry few handouts given to actual people and a huge number of handouts to businesses and the exact wealthy people they pretend to be fighting against.
"free preschool" - indoctrinate your kids with stress and neurosis even earlier.
"free eye exams for seniors" - it sounds nice but if you've been to the eye doctor lately you know they'll resell you the same pair of glasses every 2 years and fill it with the crappiest most expensive lens material they sell
"negotiating on prescription prices" - this is fine but it doesn't sound like it will actually affect me as it only affects if the gov is buying the medication
Racism.
You know, I don't care about this much because returning the tax rate to where it was before is hardly "robbing" rich people.
But it seems like they're just transferring wealth from one group of rich people to another.
You're mistaken if you think that most voters want this bill. It's a huge transfer of power away from individuals to bureaucracy and oligarchs.
The average person is too stupid and uninterested to understand the nuances that make this detrimental to them. That doesn't mean they are for it.
Appeals to supply and demand do not work when the supplier creates the demand.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Let's go Brandon.
Romney or one of the others will probably save the deep state. They aren't going to allow one or two measly votes to get in their way.
I actually don't see that happening. I've never seen defections on both sides on the same vote. It's either Manchin or Sinema standing with all the Republicans or Romney, Collins, or Murkowski standing with all the Democrats.
I hope you're right
Interesting info, and the part where both sides defect on near unanimous bills matches what I've seen as well (think the annual defense bill). One thing I notice about the examples you give is that they're not the votes everyone is watching and the media reports on, like signature legislation, Supreme Court nominees, and impeachment votes. I was surprised to find out that 5 House Democrats supported the Clinton impeachment, although most of those were conservative Democrats who later become Republicans.
It's all theatre. It's all decided well ahead of time. Democracts and Republicans are the same team. They come out of one locker room they just put on different colored jerseys to fool the spectators. The Establishment, The Cult, The Deep State, whatever you call it is, I imagine, well-structured and formalized at that level. I'm sure they hold regular meetings with roll calls and shit.
Crazy how normal voting on multi-trillion dollar spending bills has become. Everyone thinks this can last forever, and they are so very wrong.
Glad Manchin actually made the choice that benefitted his WV constituents.