It would have, back when businesses were about short-term profits. Now I think the long-term project is more important to them. If their shareholders haven't compelled them to force Marvel and DC to change direction yet, despite the fact that both are at this point essentially bottomless money pits, then clearly the money isn't a factor.
The streaming service model has allowed this. They no longer care if individual pieces of media are successful as long as they keep subscribers.
All the people who just have Disney+ so they can watch old movies with their kids and who don't know or care about this kind of stuff are the ones funding the subversion.
No, businesses are still all about short-term profits, but they have pet PR projects that they are willing to waste money on. At the same time they are handing out pink slips like candy to those not involved in those pet projects and outsourcing as much as possible to India/China in order to make up for those losses. They raid pension funds and cut benefits of the cogs in the machine in order to create “profitable” business quarters.
That is what I was thinking, this corporations have so much money that they do not need any government funding. If anything they can buy people in government to help push "progressive" laws and projects.
What is worse is that they still get a profit so they can claim that this is what people want.
They get less profit then if they would not push SJW propaganda but the people working at this corporations do not care.
You're close: they don't care about short-term profits or even the general consumer at this point because if they stupid Great Reset happens they'll be part of the corporate fascist regime that guarantees endless monies into perpetuity through gov't-mandated UBI -- and that they'll never have competition again because no new companies will ever be allowed once the Green Deal goes through.
Why would they care if they're losing money right now? If all goes to plan their company will make money forever afterwards. They're just here to pump out propaganda to massage the public into accepting their garbage cyberpunk future.
It’s not the first time they provided propaganda for the government. Unfortunately they are now producing propaganda on the side of tyrants.
And it makes sense. No company whose only goal should be profits would keep making a product no one wanted unless it’s being funded by something else to offset the losses.
The original Captain America comic book from 1939 was war propaganda straight up. The creators of Captain America, Hymie Simon and Jacob Kurtzberg, were Jews who were trying to promote American intervention in the European theater of WWII.
You do know they post that bull shit because sjw got hired in their marketing departments convinced some suits that it would increase sales.
And if you re read my initial post I did say “should be profits” the entire point of starting a company is to make the person who started it wealthy. The political bull shit comes after they hire some moron right out of college into hr or marketing. Or get some big time activist investors who place sjws on the board and push politics over money.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Phillip Morris lobbied for things like smoking bans in the EU and massive tobacco taxation, actually.
PM has a product they call IQOS; it's a battery powered device that heats up short sticks of tobacco - it's not a vape, there's no liquid, it's still tobacco. Anti-smoking campaigns, bans, etc. made a bunch of previous smokers move to it from normal cigarettes.
Now the thing is, they sell a 20 pack of those short tobacco sticks for IQOS for about the same as a pack of cigarettes. A single stick is the equivalent of one cigarette. The difference is that, on a pack of cigarettes, there's a massive sales tax, together with VAT taxes are about 2/3rds of the price of a pack. With the IQOS thing, there's no sales tax, only 21% VAT, so PM gets to keep the massive difference, and they get to sell you the device that heats them up, too.
Comics have really gone to shit, but Superman Red Son is shocking it got made, excellent anti communist and shows it doesn't even work when Superman is in charge.
The wokies don't care about the animated films yet. They're too busy trying to subvert the print comics so they can create new "source material" for the live action films in order to reach a broader audience.
The comics cost almost nothing to produce. Animation and voice acting are significant expenditures that still carry some expectations for return on investment.
These people don't think in terms of profits or expenditures. The animated films don't have anywhere near as big an audience as the live action films, so they're not a priority for the propagandists. They'll get to them eventually, I'm sure.
That is especially the case with the animated works the streaming services (Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc) make. I think someone mentioned it here or reddit kia2, but basically they have carte blanche to make woke propagandistic garbage. This is because their profitability is completely divested from whether their shows are actually good or not so long as people keep subscribing and giving them money.
I've been really reluctant to watch that, even though it was one of my favorite spinoff books in DC comics. Does it stay true to the original? I have a very low opinion of their productions in recent years.
Not the first time. IIRC Ms. Magazine was being funded by the CIA in the 60s and 70s. I forget what feminist was in charge of it. Gloria Steinem or Andrea Dworkin or someone of that ilk.
Steinem being CIA (allegedly) doesn't change that thousands of women including prominent feminist leaders agreed whole-heartedly with her to create power for her agenda. Also, let's not forget that the leader of the NOW at the time was a friend and ally of Valerie Solanas and ended up spending their funds defending her after her attempted murder charge.
Dworkin was a lunatic and should have been sectioned. Luckily she weighed as much as a bus, so she couldn't act on her murderous fantasies. Unfortunately, her ally Catherine MacKinnon made a lot of legal progress in the agenda, her "Butterfly Politics" agenda decimated the rights of men.
You really shouldn't spread lies about feminism having outside influence. I know more about them than you ever could.
I can't say how much for govt involvement but there is obviously a huge influence outside of the drive for profits. This goes for all main stream media. They gladly take huge hits to their popularity in order to force feed this communist propaganda.
Yes, and now Disney and all these other morons are trying to wokeify Japan.
This isn’t the own people think it is when they keep bringing it up. It’s just the fact that normies don’t know how to correctly use pirate sites, and that manga’s the next target.
Sure it's possible but it's not like the industry needed additional incentive to ruin their reputation. They've been tending this way for years now just like Hollywood.
Just wait til whoever this guy is realizes that money can come from motivated private entities. Or even just a little step up to realize that another nation's government could fund it.
While I'm all for throwing shade against the All-New, All-Woke DC and Marvel lines, and I do like Ethan, he's going out into conspiracy theory territory here.
As for why Van Sciver believes these characters and many more have been changed, the Cyberfrog creator stated, “My suspicion is the reason why all of this happening. The reason why this is a thing that is being accepted and promoted by Marvel and DC is that there is probably a government diversity program that is actually financially rewarding them with your tax dollars.”
That's a huge "CITATION NEEDED" right there. Don't get me wrong, I fully believe that the higher-ups at Marvel and DC are pushing their own wokeness and diversity agenda, but in the grand scheme of things it's less likely that it's a case of government involvement and more likely that it's a case of general rot from the inside. Both are owned by megacorps. Both are less likely to have oversight from their parent companies, because they have their own management structure in place. And both have long since been overrun by the illiberal liberals that want to be the new thought police, controlling the information that gets fed to you and trying to force their propaganda down your throat, all while getting pissy and throwing their toys out of the crib if you even try to point out that they're not living in reality.
If he can get the proof he says he's going to go digging for, I'll wholeheartedly pivot on my opinion, but until then he needs to dial his rhetoric back so the people he's going to be looking for dirt on don't get a chance to hide it.
Marvel and DC Comics have been Left-leaning for decades; you don't need some kind of half-baked conspiracy to make this SJW push happen.
The cycle is this:
Lefty author pushes established character in new direction (or replaces them utterly with a female, gay and/or minority character).
Media picks up on this and goes "oh, how progressive!" and serves as free advertising.
Woketards purchase an issue or two (not necessarily because they're really interested in the character, but because they're virtue signaling).
Corporate bean-counters notice increased sales for the quarter, report to upper management. Upper management goes "hey, we should do more of this!" and hire more Lefty authors.
Sales return to normal, then dip lower because nobody wants female Thor or gay Superman. Original Lefty authors move on to other media, and cash in on their status for being so 'original' and 'groundbreaking'. Management panics, pushes stories that are more "traditional" to stabilize sales.
Cycle begins again, due to the infusion of Lefty authors hired in the last cycle.
I mean, in a roundabout way the Government does help big corporations it "likes" keep more income with a messed up tax code (the rich still pay more than their far share though). So sure, I can see Disney and the like "getting government help". But they push this stuff because they are Leftists out to destroy us. Government doesn't need to help.They're also doing a poor job, their sales so low, government could be more effective than that. The government doesn't directly fund them, it doesn't need to. No conspiracy, of that kind. Just the larger Marxist one of destroying the West, which they're pretty open about now, so not even conspiracy...
The government don't need to fund them when megacorps like Disney and WB have exactly the same agenda.
It would have, back when businesses were about short-term profits. Now I think the long-term project is more important to them. If their shareholders haven't compelled them to force Marvel and DC to change direction yet, despite the fact that both are at this point essentially bottomless money pits, then clearly the money isn't a factor.
The streaming service model has allowed this. They no longer care if individual pieces of media are successful as long as they keep subscribers.
All the people who just have Disney+ so they can watch old movies with their kids and who don't know or care about this kind of stuff are the ones funding the subversion.
No, businesses are still all about short-term profits, but they have pet PR projects that they are willing to waste money on. At the same time they are handing out pink slips like candy to those not involved in those pet projects and outsourcing as much as possible to India/China in order to make up for those losses. They raid pension funds and cut benefits of the cogs in the machine in order to create “profitable” business quarters.
The incentives is that they're of the same religion. Helping a brother out is discouraged, unless...
That is what I was thinking, this corporations have so much money that they do not need any government funding. If anything they can buy people in government to help push "progressive" laws and projects.
You're close: they don't care about short-term profits or even the general consumer at this point because if they stupid Great Reset happens they'll be part of the corporate fascist regime that guarantees endless monies into perpetuity through gov't-mandated UBI -- and that they'll never have competition again because no new companies will ever be allowed once the Green Deal goes through.
Why would they care if they're losing money right now? If all goes to plan their company will make money forever afterwards. They're just here to pump out propaganda to massage the public into accepting their garbage cyberpunk future.
We need to come up with a plan to stop this just don't share any online
Who do you think is funding Disney, WB, the US government, etc? Blackrock.
Rather curious that the feminist propagandist is pushing this angle.
Also, what about Citibank? That's a feminist institution, led by an openly feminist woman now.
And the Disney studio is lead by Alan Bergman and WB Studios was lead by Peter Roth. That should say plenty.
It’s not the first time they provided propaganda for the government. Unfortunately they are now producing propaganda on the side of tyrants.
And it makes sense. No company whose only goal should be profits would keep making a product no one wanted unless it’s being funded by something else to offset the losses.
The original Captain America comic book from 1939 was war propaganda straight up. The creators of Captain America, Hymie Simon and Jacob Kurtzberg, were Jews who were trying to promote American intervention in the European theater of WWII.
The tobacco industry disagrees. They just want you to buy their products.
You do know they post that bull shit because sjw got hired in their marketing departments convinced some suits that it would increase sales.
And if you re read my initial post I did say “should be profits” the entire point of starting a company is to make the person who started it wealthy. The political bull shit comes after they hire some moron right out of college into hr or marketing. Or get some big time activist investors who place sjws on the board and push politics over money.
Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if the likes of Phillip Morris lobbied for things like smoking bans in the EU and massive tobacco taxation, actually.
PM has a product they call IQOS; it's a battery powered device that heats up short sticks of tobacco - it's not a vape, there's no liquid, it's still tobacco. Anti-smoking campaigns, bans, etc. made a bunch of previous smokers move to it from normal cigarettes.
Now the thing is, they sell a 20 pack of those short tobacco sticks for IQOS for about the same as a pack of cigarettes. A single stick is the equivalent of one cigarette. The difference is that, on a pack of cigarettes, there's a massive sales tax, together with VAT taxes are about 2/3rds of the price of a pack. With the IQOS thing, there's no sales tax, only 21% VAT, so PM gets to keep the massive difference, and they get to sell you the device that heats them up, too.
Comics have really gone to shit, but Superman Red Son is shocking it got made, excellent anti communist and shows it doesn't even work when Superman is in charge.
The wokies don't care about the animated films yet. They're too busy trying to subvert the print comics so they can create new "source material" for the live action films in order to reach a broader audience.
The comics cost almost nothing to produce. Animation and voice acting are significant expenditures that still carry some expectations for return on investment.
These people don't think in terms of profits or expenditures. The animated films don't have anywhere near as big an audience as the live action films, so they're not a priority for the propagandists. They'll get to them eventually, I'm sure.
That is especially the case with the animated works the streaming services (Netflix, Amazon Prime, etc) make. I think someone mentioned it here or reddit kia2, but basically they have carte blanche to make woke propagandistic garbage. This is because their profitability is completely divested from whether their shows are actually good or not so long as people keep subscribing and giving them money.
The first thing I thought about when I read that was the print Comic, it's better than the animated film.
I've been really reluctant to watch that, even though it was one of my favorite spinoff books in DC comics. Does it stay true to the original? I have a very low opinion of their productions in recent years.
The only really notable divergence is that they turned Wonder Woman into a full blown lesbian (they've been wanting to do that for some time, though).
lol that's what I get for playing in my gym while I watched it, I completely tuned out the gay propoganda.
It's easy to miss since it was framed through the dialogue rather than any visual depictions.
I never read the source, I was really pleasantly surprised by the flick after a friend recommended it, so I can't answer to its faithful recreation.
Not the first time. IIRC Ms. Magazine was being funded by the CIA in the 60s and 70s. I forget what feminist was in charge of it. Gloria Steinem or Andrea Dworkin or someone of that ilk.
Here's the archive link for OP article btw
Steinem was the CIA plant. Dworkin was the actual feminist.
Steinem being CIA (allegedly) doesn't change that thousands of women including prominent feminist leaders agreed whole-heartedly with her to create power for her agenda. Also, let's not forget that the leader of the NOW at the time was a friend and ally of Valerie Solanas and ended up spending their funds defending her after her attempted murder charge.
Dworkin was a lunatic and should have been sectioned. Luckily she weighed as much as a bus, so she couldn't act on her murderous fantasies. Unfortunately, her ally Catherine MacKinnon made a lot of legal progress in the agenda, her "Butterfly Politics" agenda decimated the rights of men.
You really shouldn't spread lies about feminism having outside influence. I know more about them than you ever could.
Sounds like bullshit.
"No, the hate in feminism is because of the CIA, not because we're amoral sadists..."
I can't say how much for govt involvement but there is obviously a huge influence outside of the drive for profits. This goes for all main stream media. They gladly take huge hits to their popularity in order to force feed this communist propaganda.
They all share a pool of money
It's why get woke go broke isn't 100% consistent
Not American comics. DC and Marvel's current offerings are getting destroyed by Manga when it comes to overall sales.
Yes, and now Disney and all these other morons are trying to wokeify Japan.
This isn’t the own people think it is when they keep bringing it up. It’s just the fact that normies don’t know how to correctly use pirate sites, and that manga’s the next target.
Sure it's possible but it's not like the industry needed additional incentive to ruin their reputation. They've been tending this way for years now just like Hollywood.
Or it's just controlled by people with a MeToo dagger hanging over their heads if they don't tow the line for feminism.
Source Article- https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/10/26/ethan-van-sciver-speculates-marvel-and-dc-comics-are-being-funded-by-the-government-to-push-radical-gender-and-sexuality-ideology/
Well at least some of the normies are FINALLY started to wake up to what's going on. It only seemed to take forever.
Just wait til whoever this guy is realizes that money can come from motivated private entities. Or even just a little step up to realize that another nation's government could fund it.
While I'm all for throwing shade against the All-New, All-Woke DC and Marvel lines, and I do like Ethan, he's going out into conspiracy theory territory here.
That's a huge "CITATION NEEDED" right there. Don't get me wrong, I fully believe that the higher-ups at Marvel and DC are pushing their own wokeness and diversity agenda, but in the grand scheme of things it's less likely that it's a case of government involvement and more likely that it's a case of general rot from the inside. Both are owned by megacorps. Both are less likely to have oversight from their parent companies, because they have their own management structure in place. And both have long since been overrun by the illiberal liberals that want to be the new thought police, controlling the information that gets fed to you and trying to force their propaganda down your throat, all while getting pissy and throwing their toys out of the crib if you even try to point out that they're not living in reality.
If he can get the proof he says he's going to go digging for, I'll wholeheartedly pivot on my opinion, but until then he needs to dial his rhetoric back so the people he's going to be looking for dirt on don't get a chance to hide it.
There's no question. The money is definitely coming from somewhere because they're putting out absolute dogshit yet somehow manage to stay afloat.
Marvel and DC Comics have been Left-leaning for decades; you don't need some kind of half-baked conspiracy to make this SJW push happen.
The cycle is this:
Lefty author pushes established character in new direction (or replaces them utterly with a female, gay and/or minority character).
Media picks up on this and goes "oh, how progressive!" and serves as free advertising.
Woketards purchase an issue or two (not necessarily because they're really interested in the character, but because they're virtue signaling).
Corporate bean-counters notice increased sales for the quarter, report to upper management. Upper management goes "hey, we should do more of this!" and hire more Lefty authors.
Sales return to normal, then dip lower because nobody wants female Thor or gay Superman. Original Lefty authors move on to other media, and cash in on their status for being so 'original' and 'groundbreaking'. Management panics, pushes stories that are more "traditional" to stabilize sales.
Cycle begins again, due to the infusion of Lefty authors hired in the last cycle.
I mean, in a roundabout way the Government does help big corporations it "likes" keep more income with a messed up tax code (the rich still pay more than their far share though). So sure, I can see Disney and the like "getting government help". But they push this stuff because they are Leftists out to destroy us. Government doesn't need to help.They're also doing a poor job, their sales so low, government could be more effective than that. The government doesn't directly fund them, it doesn't need to. No conspiracy, of that kind. Just the larger Marxist one of destroying the West, which they're pretty open about now, so not even conspiracy...
Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
https://www.mentalfloss.com/article/29843/why-cia-got-animated-film-business-and-other-dc-hollywood-tales
We don't have a free market
People should buy a few shares of Disney (Marvel) and Warner Media (DC Comics) and get together on a share holder's lawsuit to look at the books.
I'd throw a few dollars at a fund to hire a decent law firm.