I've mentioned before that I have a very large extended family and I got into an argument with a cousin of mine the other day. I generally try to ignore him when he goes on his rants but he was defending CRT and how people are trying to erase history and I couldn't keep silent. Besides being told I'm an Uncle Tom or that I "do the bidding of white supremacists" he gave me the usual talking points that I'm sure everyone has heard ad nauseam.
I asked him who specifically is holding him back, and if he is so concerned about history what is stopping him from getting all the books he wants about whatever topic. Long story short, he stopped talking to me when I said he makes no sense whatsoever, and asked why he doesn't put this energy into helping organizations who work to free victims of slavery/sex trafficking today.
More and more I am very grateful my parents would always tell me that the world owed me nothing and that life is not always fair. I swear a lot of young people seem to be taught that everything will go their way and if it doesn't then you can blame some vague concepts like "systemic racism" or "the patriarchy". Combine that with the endless talk about disparities as if that isn't something that will always occur naturally. Some people have it better than you, some have it worse, some make better choices, and some don't. Life if full of things like that, but there is this ridiculous idea that everything can be perfectly equal if the right people are in power.
I used to think I could open some eyes but I guess I can't, some people are determined to be victims or wallow in their self imposed oppression.
They can’t admit they’re wrong, it’s that simple. They will always double down on victimhood because the reality of being a shit person and it being your own fault is too much to bear.
I remember when I got laid off I was very angry because I had to get a crappy job that didn’t pay as much and I was miserable. I kept blaming the company that laid me off and then a good friend told me that I should have saved money instead of partying all the time. Then I wouldve been able to take my time and find a better job.
It was much easier to blame my former company than to accept that I was at fault.
That's a point I've found lost on many people is the fact that a bad personal situation could in so many cases be made better by being smart enough to prepare just a little bit for the bad times during the good times. There's always so many excuses but never anything about what they did to get there. Or even more so what they are doing to try to be better the next time.
People are trying to erase history. In particular the CRT peddlers are trying to erase the Founding Fathers. The road they're trying to force us down ends in the gas chamber.
Totally agree. I meant how the CRT defenders act like history is being erased. The founding fathers weren't perfect men, but slavery was very common in their day so I am tired of that being held against them. From what I understand they barely touch on the founding fathers anymore in some schools. As for slavery, I honestly think it would do a lot of good to teach it from a global perspective so young people can see that no culture has a monopoly on it, and it is still happening today.
Someone on Reddit told me, I, a non-American person, need CRT to understand the world and to have empathy. Like dude, my country never had black slaves, we still have very, very few black people and a huge chunk of them are like exchange students and such.
This is why I am happy with the rise of China. The Americans don't just want to have their hands in our pockets, they want to control everyone's beliefs as well.
Do you think the Chinese don't?
I, too, am not an "enemy of my enemy" person, because duh they're still your enemy, stupid.
China is also enacting a sort of very real, violent, and direct form of control, only it's vaguely conservative in nature so a lot of right-leaning people see that as positive.
It's not. Our enemy is not our temporary friend or Ally just because they don't behave like the other enemy.
I think they will be more limited in their demands.
China is, TODAY, sending their people to beat up anti-China/pro-Tibet protestors in foreign countries. Their bot armies on social media are at least partly what's behind widespread Covid lockdowns, and I wouldn't be surprised if Chinese bribery was involved as well. What the fuck do you think they'll do once they're in overt control, calm down and leave us be? Jesus.
That is at least directly related to China.
Compared to what? People comment here because of censorship on Reddit. Do I think that the Chinese will force us to claim that men are women? No. That's an improvement.
They had the bible rewritten last year to fit their agenda more and rewrite history all the time. Had one child policy not to start about the cultural revolution that desroyed everything and send the country back a century.
So no they are in no way more limited in their demands.
That's their own country. They're not bothering me in mine.
The ccp install biden the fraud...
Do you genuinely think China wouldn't want to control others? Tony, that is ridiculously naive of you. You think they just let you believe what you want? That ain't the commie way.
I think they're interested in Realpolitik and money, not evangelism. Same for the Americans, but their imperial hubris leads them to believe that they can persuade everyone of their peaceful ways... BY FORCE.
That's a wider issue with people like this. To minds like your cousins, I think the only people they feel should be lauded are people who are literally perfect - and the definition of "perfect" is today's definition, not whatever definition applied at any point the person was alive.
I don't know if that's a side-effect of the usual Marxist requirement to destroy - sure, Marxists say they'll rebuild, but they always seem to become addicted to the visceral joy of destruction and never move past it - or if it's the cause of it, no world but the perfect world and all that.
More importantly, I have heard good arguments from actual historians talking about how they deliberately undermined it from word go. That the founders were fully aware that their documents saying "All men are equal" would eventually call attention to slavery violating that. Perhaps not in their own time, but eventually that contradiction would have to be rectified, one way or another. Now, I am sure the leftoid zombies would say "Well, they should have gotten rid of it or just not founded the country!" But that is unrealistic, and in the long term it lead to a more perfect union and republic.
The British paid their cost to slavery in gold, and we paid in blood. And we are about the only two nations on Earth to even try.
And I agree that it should be taught from a global perspective. Considering there was some study that showed that a lot of people think that slavery was an exclusively American concept (as if it didnt exist since the dawn of humanity, and the US getting rid of it is the unusual thing). And this unhealthy obsession that a lot of black people have with it is disturbing to me. I wont fall into the trap and become the racist they want me to, but I will say that a disturbing amount of people are failing the "content of character" standard.
Totally agree. And a lot of founding fathers struggled with slavery and the whole 3/5 thing was due to a compromise over it. It is true the set into motion an eventual abolition. It really disturbs me how many young people think the U.S is unique when it comes to slavery.
If you can get your cousin to sit through a 90 minute video this one will explain how blacks, gays & other degenerates, and women are being used as pawns by "intellectual elites".
https://newdiscourses.com/2021/09/the-birth-of-identity-marxism-as-critical-theorys-new-proletariat/
tl;dw the commies hated the working poor for being happy and not being cannon fodder for their revolution. So they picked new suckers who had, arguably legitimate, historical grievances. Using control of the culture they amplified those grievance until they got blacks specifically pissed off enough to burn shit down, in the hopes the unrest would spread outside of the cities and somehow magically make communism happen.
Thanks, I'll watch it when I get home from church tomorrow!
You know things are bad when a former New Atheist gets a warm feeling when he hears of someone going to church.
I’m not a perfect Christian but I try. What is a new Atheist?
Dawkins/Hitchens/Sam Harris type supporter.
Gotcha. I saw Hitchens on tv and respected the fact he was willing to have discussions with religious people. Sam Harris does too if I’m not mistaken
Yes, but rather than just being atheists, they argued that religion is an actively harmful force. And they focused on Christianity. Many of them later realized that Christianity is positively wonderful compared to some other religions.
Yea I never understood the hatred towards Christianity. If you think religion is stupid fine, but why the hyper focus on only one. I remember Bill Maher will get attacked for criticism of Islam
Victimhood seems like a destructive drug worse than an opioid addiction.
China seems to be pushing false victimhood narrative in a similar way we pushed opium on them in the 1800s
The first hit of Victimhood sounds warm and comforting- “you are not to blame…”
But if you consume enough - the end result is you will be incapable of helping yourself
I think there are multiple forms. Some people, historically and in the present, take the attiude of "they are trying to keep us down, BUT WE'RE GOING TO WORK TWICE AS HARD AND NOT LET THEM!"
That is why groups who are objectively victimized in a given society nonetheless prosper, despite decades- and sometimes centuries-long efforts to keep them down.
In Black Rednecks and White Liberals Sowell mentions such groups all over the world. Also I can remember my mom telling me about how Booker T Washington pushed that mentality and that me great grandfather was a big fan of that mentality but unfortunately Booker T is reviled by a lot of the black left.
People are primed to call others 'Uncle Tom', when in reality the people telling the whites what they want to hear are the Ibram Kendis and three-named idiots out there. It's not Glenn Loury getting all the plaudits from the whites.
And it always makes me laugh how nobody sees it as odd that these race grifters constantly bash the “racist” white people but their huge salary is due to white people buying their books and attending their lectures.
BUT THEY'RE THE GOOD ONES! Dontcha see, they gave me money!
Basically an indulgence of the late medieval variety. As soon as the coin in the coffer rings, the soul from purgatory springs.
His cousin doesn't speak Latin.
The whole "suffered" / "suffering" is BS, i can tell you of several European nations that had and are still having it it worse than POC or American natives.
As Achilles told to Odysseus " i wish i was a slave under the harshest master and still see the sun than be here king among the dead".
Based nigga
No arguments from me. If people would bother to read they could see that, but so many morons believe whites have never suffered
Some really are as the payout it gives them can be actual, measurable, terrifying power for what amounts to nothing more than having a group connection at times.
It's not even a limited topic despite the immediate cries of various things when this sort of issue is suggested: antisemitism, misogyny, whatever the term might be for specific and directed racism towards black [no it's not 'white supremacism' because large parts of Asia sure as hell aren't white by a long shot]. What does become apparent from these is how someone might be thinking if their immediate go to is one particular group over others, not that such prejudice will be realised by anyone woke.
As for the grifters involved in this they certainly don't want to disrupt their money ticket, especially the ones who capitalise [literally] and either 1) get paid to travel round different countries and speak further incendiary talking point to keep the gravy train going, or 2) shout at rooms full of useful idiots, telling said idiots they are original sin or whatever, and the being fucking paid for it by the same bunch of idiots! Or even both while also writing books that are nothing more than a mix of nonsense, jargon, plagiarised materials, and likely are being "sold" for so much because it's really part of a money laundering scam.
You are so blessed to have good parents. It’s incredible how many problems today stem from people raised in broken families or by parents who are mentally or physically abusive. Having decent, hard working, loving and supportive parents gives you such a head start in life, even if you don’t always agree with them.
As for your cousin, I hope both of you can return to being on friendly terms but he’s going down a dark path that leads to anger, resentment and self-loathing. It’s very difficult to reason with someone like this; they have to want to change. Sometimes the best thing you can do with people like this is just be good to them and set an example. This often leaves an impression far more powerful than a logical argument.
Yea. I had a similar argument with another cousin but we patched things up. With this one I’ll wait and just let him cool off. I’ll just avoid contentious topics all together.
At age 41 I have a great appreciation for my parents than I did as a teen. Thankfully my mom despised the “blame white ppl” mentality and she had us read a lot.
So much of wokeism encourages and enables wallowing in self-pity and blaming outside influence. Kinda explains why so many on the left have mental disorders as it is functionally identical.
Lucky you, you don't have to hear out his crazed ravings.
Whining about oppwession in the past is a way to get benefits in the present, making him better off. If he put his money and energy into doing that, then that would have costs in the present, making him worse off. He would sooner stop whining about oppwession than do that and try to help people, I bet.
I think it feels good to be able to blame all your own failings on other people, like the fat professor who blamed the fact that she is fat on Trump.
Downside is that you rob yourself of agency and will not work towards improving your condition. But I don't think they care much about that.
You can't argue people out of their illogic.
These people are weak and only holding themselves back, but acknowledging and accepting that is hard, and our twisted society rewards victimhood, so they increase their social capital by presenting themselves as victims. It's disgusting and I wouldn't do that no matter what, because I wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror and that's not worth whatever advantage I could get by pretending to be genderspecial and oppressed by those evil normal people. Unfortunately, most people don't seem to have the integrity.
This is the logical outcome when you turn victimhood into a virtue.
That escalated quickly.
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