Noticed that vaccines have been brought up in quite a few comment sections, even in posts that are only tangentially related, but that there wasn't a post specifically about the intent behind the vaccines.
So anyone with theories or thoughts related to the vaccine and the push for it, this is your discussion thread.
My personal thoughts: the ultimate intent is a combination of population control, and consolidation of power, for 3 reasons:
- most developed nations, both west and east, are facing an imminent unbalance in age demographics because the baby boomers are getting to the age where they already have (or are about to) retire en masse. This will put massive pressure on government programs, with too many takers and not enough working taxpayers. So they want the old people to die before this happens.
(As an aside, this was arguably the main reason why they recently tried to push mass migration, to get more taxpayers. But we all know how that went)
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I've seen people argue (not unreasonably) along the lines of "why would they kill the most obedient ones?" Because right now, the dissidents are protected from the elite, by safety in numbers. They (we?) Can easily blend into a crowd to hide. But what happens if the elite kill the obedient, and there is no crowd left to hide in? They will much more easily be able to control people, when there are fewer people.
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people behind vaccine development/distribution like Gates and the WEF, have openly stated population reduction to be a goal of theirs for various reasons.
That's the gist of my thoughts. Any other opinions are welcome
I keep getting the impression that the vaccine itself is tangential. It's about imposing identity cards on everybody, enforced by a yearly requirement to check in and get the yearly vaccine or be denied access to basically everything. It's about governments giving themselves carte blanche to just rescind people's civil liberties now that they're becoming inconvenient and, hell, a pandemic's a much better excuse than "in the name of efficiency".
This is something that essentially every civil service ever has wanted. That's not to say your point about Bill Gates is wrong, I just can't see any way to prove or disprove such a thing.
The object of power is power. The object of persecution is persecution. One does not establish the vaccine passports to combat a pandemic, one fear-mongers about a pandemic in order to establish vaccine passports.
Atleast we get to skip the torture part.
Well, except the ones with contraindictions and/or heart attacks. They don't get to skip it.
I still haven't seen a confirmed case of any healthy person under ~45-50 die from Covid.
Part of the problem surrounding the COVID vaccine is that many don't seem to understand what this vaccine does and does not do in addition to how vaccines in general can operate.
Some vaccines confer immunity to subsequent infections. Some don't.
Some vaccines confer an increased response time so the host body can more readily respond to future infections. But this isn't immunity and isn't guaranteed to work all the time in the first place.
Some vaccines don't even exist as I've posted a few times regarding things like Dengue which functions in a completely different way the general public would expect a virus to do in that your first infection can be completely asymptomatic and your second can be fatal.
Because if the vaccine was working in ways described then anyone who contracted COVID in the last year+ already has the immune response in place from the previous infection since that's how many vaccines are designed to function in the first place. So anyone that has been confirmed to have COVID before who gets any of the vaccines is not only wasting resources because they don't need it but also buying into the political theatre that they NEED to get vaccinated or they won't be safe.
This is before even getting on to the point that the COVID vaccines don't confer immunity. They are described as lessening the severity of symptoms which can be itself a problem.
Because the vaccine doesn't stop people getting infected again. If it did then it wouldn't/shouldn't need described as 'lessening the severity of symptoms' since that intrinsically requires additional infections to occur as a mechanic.
'Lessened symptoms' itself is vague as it could mean that the actual symptoms experienced are not as bad as otherwise expected, so a mild pain instead of crippling to give a crude comparison, but it could also just mean that while the symptoms are not there everything else still is. So a vaccinated, symptomless individual is still infectious to others, which is what suggesting masks still be worn would mean as is claiming unvaccinated individuals increase the risk of strains evolving as they need to catch the virus in the first place from someone seeing as how it's not a spontaneous event.
That means those who are vaccinated are being turned into asymptomatic Typhoid Mary's that are still spreading the virus however going by Reddit and other social media you would think that once someone gets their second jab/full vaccination they can suddenly shed their mask and fears and no longer have to worry about anything happening to them after.
Well, except whatever side effects might lie ahead of them years down the line since this virus isn't even 2 years old, the vaccine isn't even 1 year old, and yet everyone is meant to put their faith in the every changing
politicsscience that has now been shown to quite literally follow "Orange man bad",https://notthebee.com/article/scientist-on-why-it-took-a-year-to-investigate-the-wuhan-lab-at-the-time-it-was-scarier-to-be-associated-with-trump-and-to-become-a-tool-for-racists
Regarding vaccines in general I made this post around 5 months ago in response to a Twitter headline/article and it goes over Theralizumab, Thalidomide, and Ebola, with some notes on Dengue by other users in the comments.
https://kotakuinaction2.win/p/11SK2bYe2T/vaccines-can-have-side-effects-b/c/
tl;dr of the post is at the bottom and I'll copy here
Theralizumab: Drug testing can go "catastrophic"ally wrong.
Thalidomide: Just because a product is finished doesn't mean shit can't go wrong.
Drug development: Sometimes problems need to hit home to actually get done but they still take a long time, even taking into consideration advances in medical research and science.
In summary,
COVID is still a very new disease. The vaccine[s] age is also something that should be questioned in addition to how many exceptions have been handed out by governments if/when side effects arise because of how little testing/time there has been to fully check what can go wrong over the long-term.
There is far, far too much politics going on for what should be a health issue. Yes health departments are tied to politics but having scientists literally admitting they were making decisions because of politics that had absolutely nothing to do with the health aspects shows how fundamentally broken those systems are and that those involved should be fired from their jobs, barred from any positions they can influence public opinion like this in the future, and if applicable stripped of their doctorates/medical licenses as happened with [former Dr.] Andrew Wakefield after his publishing of the fabricated MMR vaccine research.
In general I don't have a problem with vaccines seeing as how I've had to get several many people do not because of travel reasons that would bring me into contact with things like Yellow Fever, Japanese Encephalitis, and Heps A and B and I've been lucky enough not to contract anything that doesn't have a vaccine like Dengue. Getting these vaccines in the end was my choice as the reasons for travel was also my choice so the responsibility for exposing myself to the potential zoonoses was mine.
Most importantly however the vaccines and diseases in question weren't brand new.
They weren't less than a year or two old the world didn't really know anything about.
There wasn't a massive ongoing social and political discourse that would periodically descend into name calling and ad hominem attacks based on nothing but misinformation and tribalism.
That's why I take issue with what is going on with COVID. For too many it's another excuse for "them and us" virtue signaling on social media like including "2/2 vaccinated" in social media profiles or even worse getting tattoos done about it. It's literally self branding "I'm one of the good/smart/obedient" ones that is probably more accurately "I'm one of the overly eager gullible ones".
Combine every back and forth, every contradictory piece of advice, every moving of the goal posts, every direct attack on those questioning/criticizing either of the lockdown and vaccine procedures and I have zero "faith" in what is being done for something that has repeatedly been touted as the next coming apocalypse if not handled properly.
If the spike protein is inherently dangerous, which it seems to be, it means covid is also inherently dangerous as it's just a ball of spike proteins, which is also what some of Weinstein's discussions seems to indicate. I don't remember which episode but one of his guests was talking about treatment and that covid generally comes and goes and you're fine but then after the virus itself is under control you sometimes just fucking die. The guest theory was the spike proteins are inflammatory (which seems to be the case because of reactions to the vaccine) but they weren't allowed to treat the inflammation.
Not all vaccines are equal, and regardless of the label, no one really knows what is in those vials. Different areas could be getting different product targeted towards them. Why the mix and match propaganda? We don't even know if we are asking the right questions.
The system wants everyone to be permanently plugged into and reliant upon the system.
I think it's more of a compliance test. An experiment to see how far they can push Western populations. Similarly, so was the vehement anti-smoking campaigns of the 1990s. It's also part of long-term social conditioning.
The vaccine itself is most likely just a rushed money scheme to transfer wealth (atleast this first batch), Gates and WEF will most likely use another tool for their depopulation vision (since even in their public vision there will be outcasts living in the "wild") thus the vaccine in regards to their plan is only to gain more power/control for latter use.
These people are demon worshipers. They don't care if they kill their own, more death is more death, and it pleases their masters.
People have discussed how the controllers despise the sheep and eaters. They find us interesting and useful, so if we were the ones left and the sheep/eaters were culled, then they would just say “thank us for getting rid of them; enjoy your life”.
You never explain what is supposed to kill those older people.
Untested Mrna "vaccines" (gene therapy), with a high rate of complications. Figured that was obvious given the context.
Not to mention, the things they did in hospitals like immediately putting people on ventilators, and denying/delaying non covid related care, killed a lot of people. And old people in nursing homes being locked away from human contact, did not help mortality at all.
Last i checked present statistics makes those untested vaccines of less concern to proper elderly than wuflu itself. Comparatively, they seem to be more dangerous to youngsters than actual wuflu (though finding actual statistics on that is going to be impossible, so i can only use very heuristic inference)... So just like most conspiracy theories, this ground is very shakey.
So, that would make this vaccine plan a big failure. Besides, Russian vaccine is not mRNA based and is still pushed the same [in Russia].
At last, as was mentioned, the sole carte blanche introduction of "you must jab yourself every year/twice a year or you lose your basic civil liberties" dynamic is a dream of every authoritarian and they created themselves a perfect excuse for it, and jab could be pure water for all they care.
Uh, no. We literally have no idea what the death rates are for older people. The FDA and the government aren't enforcing any tally on the numbers, so it's impossible for anyone to know how many people are dying from side-effects induced by the vaccines, or complications caused by existing factors that don't mesh well with the vaccines.
In terms of whether or not they're less of a concern for any group is literally a toss-up since there's no data tracking being enforced regarding efficacy.
You can read up on what happened when one study revealed that the vaccines were killing more people than curing people of COVID; it's discussed in an interview that also covers how the FDA. Big Pharma, and the government are literally hiding the death rates from the public: https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-the-bioethics-of-experimental-vaccines-and-the-ultimate-gaslighting_3889805.html
Anyone who isn't toeing the Leftist line would be wise to ask "Why?"
While actually straying off into actual conspiracy theory territory with this one here's an idea about an alternative method to do all of the above and yet make it not appear so,
Have the cause be increased comorbidity, not actual morbidity.
So it doesn't outright kill, it just increases the chances of other things eventually being more successful at a later date.
Works in a few ways because,
It eventually reaches the goal of number reduction, albeit over a greater timeframe but that brings us to point 2.
It reaches the goal over a greater timeframe which would displace focus around the time of implementation.
Increasing comorbidity rather than direct morbidity means laying the blame on a single thing is much more difficult and permits blaming the people who died instead of accepting responsibility.
e.g. They shouldn't have kept smoking/drinking/doing X which would over time mean things got worse
As an example of a direct yet delayed cause, Thalidomide was fine upon original application. It wasn't until long after clinical testing and use that the side effects became apparent because the effect was on pregnancy which unsurprisingly for ethical reasons are avoided during clinical trials. Now while it was eventually established that Thalidomide was the cause if the side effects this is still a direct link rather than what something like an increased comorbidity would cause. No Thalidomide = no adverse effects.
However increasing comorbidity creates a far more subtle approach. If Long-COVID exists in the various ways that people are claiming it does then those increased complications, while not immediately fatal on their own, may prove sufficient enough that additional experiences do prove fatal, like with how AIDS kills. AIDS doesn't kill, the pneumonia you catch after kills because you don't have an immune system anymore. So LCOVID enlarging someone's heart might cause discomfort for the rest of their life but in the short term it doesn't kill. Until something else happens to their heart that wouldn't have originally been fatal without the enlargening. Something that can commonly occur in older age for example. Likewise other organs affected may suffer sufficient damage from LCOVID that isn't immediately fatal but increased risk factors that come with an aging population could very well mean that overall LCOVID functions as a subtle means of elderly population control. Something that many countries now would benefit from as an aging boomer population retiring off en masse will cause widespread financial ruin to younger generations and existing financial infrastructures related to pensions and other services.
Now maybe the comorbidity was far more prominent than some realized it might be hence 13 year olds dropping dead with enlarged hearts however they may have been in a position where existing comorbidities existed and the slightly increase a COVID vaccine causes was enough to push into actual lethal conditions. With how varied a population of 8 billion can be that's still far within an acceptable error margin and a handful of deaths are far easier to downplay now with the right PR than entire age brackets suddenly spiking 5/10/15 years down the line.
Like I said though, actual conspiracy theory territory leaning more on tin-foil than anything else right now but as a slow burn it would be far more effective than a sudden culling of a population through a far more overt option.
tl;dr tin-foil hat go brrr
Interestingly enough, this is literally a conspiracy that's being questioned by doctors, including Dr. Malone, who wondered if perhaps the vaccines are killing more people than what we think, but due to "masking" (where co-morbidity, age, etc.,) are hiding the real numbers?
That's literally what some of the researchers believe is happening, which is why their accounts were banned from social media and a similar peer reviewed report was pulled from publication.
Heh, once again, this is also being queried by the rightfully skeptic practitioners within the medical community. I suspect this is also why the FDA and other health authorities are prohibiting the tracking of deaths from those who take the vaccine. Even with the self-reported VAERs submissions, there's a lot of trends popping up that seem to indicate that even if you don't suffer from blood clots, aneurysms, strokes, partial paralysis, or myocarditis, it could induce other chronic health complications over a period of time. A perfect cover for the orchestrators to throw up their hands and say it "wasn't the vaccines!"
Actually, this isn't as tin-foil as you think. Malone subtly framed questions that nearly asked exactly what you postulated and that's actually what led to him being suspend on social media. It's also why those within the medical community who actually want to do the right thing began setting up a new method of attempting to track death rates for the vaccines, or vaccine-related deaths for the long-term, even without the help of the FDA.
Whether or not that tracking will be reliable is anyone's guess, but for people who seem to understand what's actually going on, and for those who are attempting to thwart the opaque measures put into place by Big Pharma/FDA/government, they appear to be thinking very much in alignment with you.
Indeed we don't, hence i have to use my own estimates. And while FDA/US government is not enforcing any good tracking of deaths and their proper causes, many American hospitals enforce treatment of wuflu so bad, i can actually use my completely incomparable otherwise town as a sample for estimates for how risky it is to take vaccine. Well, for elderly who somehow dodged COVID the entire time (if those still exist) it turns it's slightly less risky, for youngsters it is more. Plain numbers, nothing else. Sure, i may overestimate risk of COVID for elderly since overall life expectancy in my town is pretty low to begin with, but that's just my personal estimate i would use to guide my own actions. And i use it to conclude that if you try to use vaccines to lower elderly population... it's highly inefficient way of doing that with significant chance of backfiring.
In case you never caught the memo, this COVID story has crushed my trust in medical studies in general. Given quality of their statistics and general methodology, they can find both pro and con 'any proposition' and won't ever get a conclusion on which one is the correct conclusion. Because doing science does not put food on the table, getting results grant givers want does.
No, it wasn't 'obvious' at all. So you think everyone who has taken a vaccine is going to die, or what? The 'high rate' of complications is still peanuts compared to the number of deaths that would have occurred among the elderly from the vaccine.
That first part is true, that second part I don't know. But it's got nothing to do with your claim that the vaccine kills people.
WRONG. You have no data on how many elderly have died FROM COVID not the elderly who died WITH COVID. If you didn't bother to troll by being an ignoramus you ask WHY the health authorities and mainstream media are masking the actual numbers by claiming that people dying from unrelated causes is due to COVID instead of only reporting people who have only died FROM COVID?
Worse yet, is that the only study actually monitoring the death rates was retracted after Leftists complained about it. The numbers look grim: https://www.mdpi.com/2076-393X/9/7/693/htm
Now ask yourself this (and you have no answer for it because they didn't brainwash one into you) WHY is the FDA, CDC, Big Pharma, and national governments NOT mandating the tracking of vaccine-related death rates and WHY are the banning publication of studies that attempt to track the numbers?
Except it does. More of your Left-wing idiocy really grates on me. Misinformation and disinformation are things I hate most.
We know for a fact that the vaccines have killed more people than all other vaccines over the last decade: https://www.sott.net/article/451468-CDC-says-the-3005-recorded-deaths-following-COVID-19-experimental-vaccines-total-MORE-than-vaccine-deaths-for-last-13-years
And we know for a fact that the vaccines cause morbid side-effects the likes of which you will never encounter from COVID alone, such as still-births, infertility, incessant menstrual bleeding, and blood clots. There is literally zero benefits to the vaccines, NONE at all.
The vaccines neither prevent you from catching COVID, spreading COVID, or even dying from COVID: https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/4115-vaccinated-people-have-died-been-hospitalized-with-covid-19-breakthrough-infections-cdc_3876243.html
I don't expect an intelligent reply from someone like you, but WHY do you insist on keep repeating falsehoods and spreading disinformation? What's the point?
It would be different if you asked questions or sought information, but all I see you doing is spreading the same lies over and over again even when the facts are as clear as day saying otherwise. It makes you look like either a troll or a fool.
I expect brainwashed people on Reddit to be uninformed, uneducated and so thoroughly wrapped up in toeing the line that they refuse to examine the facts, but what's your excuse for still being this ignorant and blatantly ignoring irrefutable data?
So if COVID killed literally no one, what is the cause of the excess mortality?
And you think that's because the vaccine is killing everyone who is taking the vaccine? And that is calling other people brainwashed.
Like your fellow nutjobs on the left, who call everything 'right-wing' and 'Nazi', right-wing loons call everything sensible that they do not like 'left-wing' and 'communist'.
What imbecility. Even assuming all the nonsense that you have claimed, this would not be established.
Your 'data' is not even data, let alone irrefutable. The mere fact that mainstream sources have shown themselves to be bankrupt, does not mean that I have to accept any form of nuttery that comes from your no-name websites.
WHAT excess mortality? Cite the actual data of people who died FROM COVID.
You can't.
Even the CDC's figures are inconsistent because they're counting people who died WITH COVID not FROM COVID.
This is the fundamental flaw in your argument, because while you'll attempt to scavenge for numbers from a Left-wing source, no doubt, you will never stop to ask WHY is the CDC counting mortality rates of people WITH COVID instead of only counting the mortality rates of people who actually died FROM COVID?
Do you understand now? It's like someone who has allergies dies from a car accident and they count that that person died from allergies, even though they actually died from a car accident.
And before you say "that's preposterous"... that's literally what the CDC and other health officials are doing... LITERALLY: https://www.westernjournal.com/county-counted-car-crash-covid-death-finds-inflated-virus-death-toll-25-percent/
Oh, and they're not just counting car accidents as COVID-related deaths, but gunshot wounds, too: https://www.globalresearch.ca/gunshot-head-parkinsons-disease-deaths-palm-beach-incorrectly-attributed-covid-19/5719528
What a pathetic, strawman fallacy. Nowhere did I say the vaccine is "killing everyone". Please, learn to read.
How is believing falsehoods, spreading misinformation and potentially getting people here killed with your asinine toeing of mainstream media propaganda in anyway "sensible"? You have no data, you have no facts, you aren't even smart enough to ask simple and basic questions.
Your response is literally the equivalent of saying "nuh uh" and you refuse to even look at the data. Your argument literally boils down to: I feel the mainstream is trustworthy, so I don't care about the facts.
Nonsense?
Are you seriously trolling? Please read through this interview with the creator of RNA vaccines: https://www.theepochtimes.com/dr-robert-malone-mrna-vaccine-inventor-on-the-bioethics-of-experimental-vaccines-and-the-ultimate-gaslighting_3889805.html
Is what he saying nonsense?
Are the VAERs reports about myocarditis nonsense? https://greatgameindia.com/covid-19-vaccines-myocarditis/
Are the bloodclot reports nonsense? https://www.statnews.com/2021/04/13/researchers-search-for-answers-in-puzzle-of-blood-clots-and-covid-vaccines-and-see-some-clues/
Are the stillbirth reports nonsense? https://www.theepochtimes.com/3-dozen-cases-of-spontaneous-miscarriages-stillbirths-occurring-after-covid-19-vaccination_3716385.html
Are more kids are dying from the vaccines than COVID nonsense? https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/cdc-vaers-deaths-reported-covid-vaccines/
None of those are side-effects or issues you experience from COVID alone. So why would anyone risk getting a vaccine that does not prevent you from catching, spreading, or dying from COVID if you also run the risk of literally DYING a mortality-induced side-effect from the vaccine itself?
What is the efficacy rates of the vaccines?
What is the death rates of the vaccines?
What is the long-term fatality rates of the vaccines?
Oh, none of that data is available, and we won't have any longitudinal studies released until May, 2023. So why on Earth would someone risk taking a vaccine that could KILL them when the survival rate of COVID is 99.7%?
It's one thing to dismiss actual conspiracy theories backed up by no data, but for you to literally dismiss health reports, VAERs reports, and actual medical research is just beyond the pale.
You have no sources to back up your position other than Left-wing news outlets pushing a political agenda, and ZERO actual science to back up any of the lies you've put out.
Heck, you're literally so brainwashed with your asinine Left-wing beliefs you literally cannot fathom to ask WHY the FDA, the CDC, Big Tech and the government are hiding the data and banning people for attempting to discover the actual death rates of these untested vaccines.
You won't even ask "WHY?!" yet you're calling people here "insane" and "brainwashed"? At least the conspiracy theorists here have enough common sense to employ critical thinking and ask questions.
You Leftists won't even do that. You don't even have an answer as to WHY these vaccines are being pushed so hard when there are ZERO longitudinal peer reviewed studies available. And you won't even ask WHY the DOD and FDA are blocking people from even trial testing alternative remedies.
Like a good little Leftist you couldn't even mount an argument against the data I said was irrefutable so you attacked the source instead of the information.
You literally make me sick.
9048 deaths, 438440 adverse effects including 26818 hospitalizations in the US according to VAERS. Previous studies concluded VAERS captures about 1-10% of what's really going on.
The problem is, the vaccine is not a disease, it's supposed to be a cure. It shouldn't be killing any people at all. In the past vaccines have been pulled after 25 deaths. 9048 are confirmed deaths and like I said, the real number is likely at least 10x higher. It's not a cure, it's genocide.
Secondly, it's killing and maiming young and healthy people who are not at risk from covid. Injecting them with an experimental drug without informing them of the risks and having them die is a crime against humanity.
What makes you think 600k people died of the virus? 600k people have been reported dying after getting the virus, does not imply 600k people have died due to the virus.
You understand this right? There is no excess mortality so there is no pandemic. If you look at 350 million people in the U.S. randomly, it's basically a statistical certainty 600k of them are going to die for one reason or another.
That many people did not die from COVID. You're spouting falsehoods. That's how many people allegedly died WITH COVID. That's a huge difference.
Also 9000 deaths is only what's been SELF-REPORTED, not what the actual statistics are. You have no clue what the actual death rates are because the FDA isn't enforcing any record keeping of the death toll.
What do you mean "huge excess of mortality"? Are you talking about mortality in general or COVID-induced mortality? Because if it's the latter the tracking from health institutions has been to rate mortality for people WITH COVID, and not people who died FROM COVID. That's why when people began actually looking at the raw numbers, they discovered that COVID has a 99.7% survival rate, even as admitted to inadvertently by the CDC.
So if it has a 99.7% survival rate, what is this "huge" excess of mortality related to?
If you're talking about death rates per capita, well of course you would see a higher toll due to the lockdowns, which have proven not to work: https://cdn.substack.com/image/fetch/f_auto,q_auto:good,fl_progressive:steep/https%3A%2F%2Fbucketeer-e05bbc84-baa3-437e-9518-adb32be77984.s3.amazonaws.com%2Fpublic%2Fimages%2F37aa8556-a1ce-4d5a-a55d-2d05aad1c62f_1344x756.png
So you now have to account for suicides induced by the lockdown, mortality induced by crime rates increasing across police-defunded cities, as well as other lockdown related deaths (i.e., alcohol, drug use, domestic abuse, overdoses, etc., etc., etc).
According to the CDC the total death rates increased year-over-year by 15.9%: https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm .
But how they account for the deaths is masked in weasel-wording.
For instance...
COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000).
Okay, so how many of those had a comorbidity? And how many of those people who may have been battling a secondary illness died with COVID? They don't say. And they merge together "underlying cause" and "contributing cause" together, and they provide ZERO stats on the "only cause".
So this goes back to my original point: how many people actually died strictly FROM COVID compared to people who died WITH COVID?
According to various reports last year, the CDC and some health officials were literally counting all sorts of extraneous deaths as COVID-related, even accidents, gunshot wounds: https://www.westernjournal.com/county-counted-car-crash-covid-death-finds-inflated-virus-death-toll-25-percent/
Motorcycle accidents: https://cbs12.com/news/local/man-who-died-in-motorcycle-crash-counted-as-covid-19-death-in-florida-report
And even brain injuries: https://www.globalresearch.ca/gunshot-head-parkinsons-disease-deaths-palm-beach-incorrectly-attributed-covid-19/5719528
They say that it was a third-leading cause of death for those over the age of 85, but as mentioned before, how many of those people had other illnesses or comorbidities?
But to further my point about the CDC's weasel-words, this highlights it perfectly...
""The highest age-adjusted death rates by age, race/ethnicity, and sex occurred among adults aged ≥85 years, non-Hispanic Black or African American (Black) and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native (AI/AN) persons, and males. "
So blacks under the age of 85 died the MOST in 2020, but they don't explicitly say from what. Hmm, could that be related to all the black-on-black violence happening at a rapid uptick across the country?
Well, gun-violence did see a record uptick in 2020: https://www.businessinsider.com/2020-more-gun-deaths-than-any-year-over-two-decades-2021-3
And to my point, stats show that murder rates were up overall by 30%, especially in... ding, ding, ding... minority occupied cities: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9211217/US-murder-rates-2020-soar-30-cent-no-modern-precedent.html
What about suicide rates?
Well, good luck finding a reputable source. Even the CDC's latest figures are from 2019 and not 2020, and all the mainstream media outlets are saying "suicides are down", but also inadvertently admitting that tracking has become muddied because they aren't rating certain deaths as suicides, such as overdoses, as admitted to by the New York Times: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/15/health/coronavirus-suicide-cdc.html
This passage here speaks volumes, though...
The decline came even as the number of unintentional overdose deaths rose dramatically during the pandemic. Some overdoses are classified as suicides; there is debate among researchers as to how many ought to be included.
Oh great, so now how many suicides may have been misreported as something else? What if you committed suicide but had COVID? What if you committed suicide by jumping off a bridge into water and had COVID? Do they count that as COVID-induced drowning?
I'm not kidding, the data has literally become muddled, and any reputable researcher reporting on actual infection/death rates have been censored: https://www.veteranstoday.com/2020/08/17/covid-censor/
Those who were tracking the figures and comparing the data noticed a discrepancy in the actual death rates of COVID, and pointed out that -- just like I mentioned above -- death rates for lots of other categories were up overall throughout the year, but were being attributed to COVID: https://thetruthaboutcancer.com/cdc-inflates-coronavirus-deaths/
Anyone who has actually been attempting to track the data knows how faulty the data-tracking put out by the mainstream media actually is. One of the estimates -- even according to the CDC at the time -- reported that only 6% of reported COVID deaths were actually due solely to COVID.
This sort of fits in line with some early MSM reporting that admitted 94% of people who reportedly died with COVID had an underlying medical issue: https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-94percent-of-covid-19-deaths-had-underlying-medical-conditions/ar-BB18wrA7
At least in Canada, I've seen at least a few doctors on Twitter post responses from their local Public Health authorities reflexively refusing to register reported adverse events in official databases because the "reported events don't meet established criteria of known adverse effects", assuredly without ever physical examining a patient, running diagnostic tests or reviewing patient records.
Forget it, Jake. Anti-vaccine loons gonna anti-vaccine.
That is not even what bothers me most. But that there are ignorant Stormfags infesting this place. It's only natural, as people who are not allowed to post in the other GG forums will come here, as will the people who come to any place that allows free speech to wreck it.
As Sophocles said 2400 years ago, count no man happy until he is dead, and count no experiment a failure until it is done. Things can change tomorrow if Reddit cracks down on our subs and a host of sanity appears.
It's not really neutral ground when you have no crazies. It's a crazy-free zone. And yes, but this is a different place with a different userbase.
People see they have been lied to about so many things, and begin wondering, with sometimes quite a meager intellect, whether they were also not lied to abut the Holocaust. Or vaccines as here.
Don't get me wrong, I'm definitely skeptical about the vaccines myself. It's been pushed by extreme authoritarians. But you do have to be a complete idiot not to accept that it's beneficial to at least some groups.