That everything outside of God - all you know about the material world is more of a fairy tale than God Himself. Democracy, equality, environmentalism, all "scientific" and "educational" institutions, all modern forms of art, all of psychology and modern philosophy, and even most institutional religions are all a massive façade. They are all a distraction from the truth of God. Everything that exists in the absense of God is the black pill.
You can only find God through experience.
Try to be a better you. If you are unfit, get in shape, if you don't have a good job, work hard for better employment, etc. Once you take care of yourself help others, without expecting anything in return. If you do this the universe will bend and twist existence in your favor. What was once seemingly impossible becomes possible and there will be too many coincidences for you to ignore. You will not know God if you don't try to be good and you must always listen to your conscience. God is not something that can be proven with the five senses. If you are looking for a sort of scientific evidence you won't find it. God is everything and looking for evidence is like the story of the blind men and the elephant - you won't find the truth that way.
Bruh, your whole argument is basically "but what if he's real tho, you don't know".
By your logic, a skeptic should believe that bigfoot could be real, maybe we just haven't found him cause he's really good at hiding!
That's not what skepticism is at all. It's not about assuming that everything you know could be false because, hey, technically you don't know! That's like some twisted Schrodinger's Cat shit.
Skepticism is about recognizing when something is fishy, and rightfully calling it out. Like when you see a sensationalized news story, or misleading statistics. It has to be based on observable reality, otherwise you're just being a dumbass.
"Maybe god is real, he's just on a plane of existence we're not capable of observing!" Yeah, and maybe we're all in the matrix, you don't know.
I love all the imagery, music, and art that comes along with Christianity, but I just can't make the jump to having faith. I'm a very faithless man these days, and have been for many years now. I've listened to a bit of JP's bible lectures (specifically the Genesis breakdown), but nothing ever clicked for me. I grew up going to a Lutheran church, didn't hate it, was confirmed at 13, but since I never felt the 'magic' of God, I gave it up. I want to believe, but since I never got any feedback along the way, it became impossible to convince myself to keep trying. It felt like a one-sided relationship.
I often waver in my faith. If I am being honest with myself I feel pretty much like you do, that it is one sided. Faith is all about believing when there is no logical or material evidence. If you align yourself with God and seriously pursue His will the universe will be twisted in your favor. After a while you stop believing it is merely coincidence. I know anecdotes don't sway people very much - but I went from having a massive depressive episode 3 years ago in which I - a full grown adult - moved back in with my mom and constantly struggled to just be, fantasizing of suicide often and one day almost carrying it out and adding everything up and coming to the conclusion I was hopeless would always be hopeless and there was no point, but I had an infinitesimally small ammount of hope. And with that and that alone I am here three years later, a home owner with a full time job doing what I wanted to do since I graduated college almost 15 years ago and other than my mortgage I am almost debt free. But even despite that I still have my doubts. I can't percieve God with any of my 5 senses and often I still feel lost. But like Peterson says, you have to look low for God. Like I want to get in shape - I am a total fatass. And I want to start doing pushups but I am weak and struggle even doing one proper pushup. So I allow myself to do many weak ass sissy push ups to work myself up to being able to do real pushups and then go from there. Once you reach an aim - like owning a house - there is always something more you can do. And I truly believe if you start out with enough humility you can do anything.
I had a whole long deal written up, but it's too tl;dr for her other than this is really on point with my experience. Only that so far I haven't really had my faith really shaken lately though I did fall out of it from highschool all the way through college. Had and saw plenty of bad experiences with Christians (ranging from seeing friends get disowned, to friends' suicide attempts, etc), got into more occult things for a bit, had experiences that I couldn't chalk up to temporal, logical, things, etc.
The thing that actually got me back to Christianity was Jordan Peterson, as plenty of others have said elsewhere. I had discounted Christianity entirely by that point, but seeing his lectures (this was back when he first gained notoriety on kia1 and elsewhere) is what opened my eyes to the Bible being just an old dusty book. For w/e reason, this led me back away from a nihilistic worldview/philosophy, it essentially made Christianity "click" for me.
I guess I'd say I've always had more of an 'intellectual' relation with the faith though. That is, I'd see these people freaking out or going on and on about how they felt Jesus with them, were filled with joy, the sort of people who go into fits, unconsciously lift their arms up in church. It always seemed like if you weren't acting like that then you weren't a "real" Christian. Not to say I don't believe in the divine or simply act as if Christianity is 'true' as Peterson does, though. Just I've never really had that "emotional"/feeling-based relation to the divine that (imho) is unhealthy played-up Evangelical/Charismatic Christian spaces. Idk how to best explain it. I wouldn't say I "feel" Jesus, the Holy Spirit, what have you, but I see their influence on my life, throughout my life. That and I somehow managed to internalize into actual belief the metaphysical aspects of Christianity. Ie, I 'know' those things are true in much the same way I know 2+2=4 (and only 4), that there are little subatomic particles called quarks, they simply are. It's hard to explain
Maybe I took Kierkegaard's leap of faith somewhere along the way and I didn't even realize it. Regardless, I'm definitely 100% better off now than I was when I didn't consider myself Christian.
It was largely the hypocricy I saw too that led me astray. I have been developing in my head better retorts for those atheists that avoid christianity due to christian hypothesy. It goes like this: If I point out a couple of poorly made video games and say "see videogames are all shite", you(speaking to the hypothetical atheist, not you personally) would just say "yeah, but games can be better". That is sort of like the atheist view of christians. And videogames could be replaced with many other things - movies, books, music. I think it may have been Peterson who had a better articulation for the commandment "don't use the lord's name in vain", that you shouldn't use Christianity as a tool of opression or merely for your own vanity or self pride. Many Christians especially if the more Evangelical sort don't seem to realize this.
The red pill is accepting the uncomfortable and hard truths and rejecting the comfortable and easy lies, waking up to the reality of the world. It only becomes a black pill if you fall into despair, thinking there's nothing you can do, and thus do nothing to fix the problem(s). I think the black pill in this case is a lie. There's a lot that you can do.
Stating the obvious while people on the other side cry bloody murder and call us Nazis is the best way to win over bystanders. If we ever want to do more than just hang around in ever-shrinking online echo chambers while everything that was once great about our civilization is systematically subverted and destroyed, we need to keep hammering those same points.
It doesn't matter if we already know it: it matters if some passer-by reading thos forum happens across it and thinks to himself, "Hey, that's true."
If the people comprising our civilization are so retarded that they need an explanation of reality hammered home to them, perhaps it's time for a restart.
It's been this way for awhile. Remember when Kennedy was shot? "None dare call it conspiracy"? "The Spotlight" exposing the jews for deliberately attacking our ship, and their infiltration into our institutions and government?
Their hand on our society and culture has been just as deliberate. People used to know about them as a matter of course. Now the default state is not knowing anything.
all of this is essentially a deliberate demoralization process, and that my way of life and even basic existence are being targeted.
Why do you think this is happening now, at this time?
Sure, but I wish people would start talking about decentralization, taking over their states, and moving towards secession. Sometimes you have to tear down the house and rebuild. We can form a new union and take back DC after we've cleaned up the foundation.
The best part about decentralization is we can do it legally through our state governments, without getting entrapped in any violent false flag attacks. There is no reason to assume that the feds would actually attack a state that just decides to stop participating and stop cooperating.
You can do all of that without the secession, and it will still work fine. And we already have states telling the Feds "You have no power here!" and starting to put things right.
Either way, I can agree with the general attitude of this thread. To quote a man far more wise than myself, "This too shall pass." When you look at history, the US has this unnatural ability to come back from hits that have destroyed other nations, and then come out the other side stronger than ever. We are in the suck right now. But all the signs show that people are not accepting this direction and are demanding a change back to the way things were, and doing it in ways that cant be stopped, only delayed.
We are living in a rhyme of the 1970's right now, with a weak and vacillating president, domestic extremism, major domestic unrest, and a shaky economy. It sucks, but we have get through Carter before we can get Reagan. And when it happens, I guarantee this nation will take off like a rocket back to its true heights. And I will love to see it.
Yep, the states just need to start leaning in that direction and assert their sovereignty. Put the feds on notice. I guess the main point is we need to get control of our states and use that collective bargaining power, instead of hanging out with our 20 militiamen friends waiting for someone to call on us to take back the republic. That's not happening.
The worst thing about being based is having to explain to normies how reality works, despite their absolute emotional conviction.
The best thing is knowing that is going to happen and dropping a statement that sets off enough cognitive dissonance that it may force the stronger among them to actually think.
Try God. It's a white pill. I was agnostic until I heard it articulated by the likes of Jordan Peterson.
No thank you. No one should believe in fairy tales
the fucking irony of you saying that
What irony?
That everything outside of God - all you know about the material world is more of a fairy tale than God Himself. Democracy, equality, environmentalism, all "scientific" and "educational" institutions, all modern forms of art, all of psychology and modern philosophy, and even most institutional religions are all a massive façade. They are all a distraction from the truth of God. Everything that exists in the absense of God is the black pill.
Give me evidence
You can only find God through experience. Try to be a better you. If you are unfit, get in shape, if you don't have a good job, work hard for better employment, etc. Once you take care of yourself help others, without expecting anything in return. If you do this the universe will bend and twist existence in your favor. What was once seemingly impossible becomes possible and there will be too many coincidences for you to ignore. You will not know God if you don't try to be good and you must always listen to your conscience. God is not something that can be proven with the five senses. If you are looking for a sort of scientific evidence you won't find it. God is everything and looking for evidence is like the story of the blind men and the elephant - you won't find the truth that way.
Show me proof that a God exists. You can't so I don't believe.
Jesus Christ, no need for an essay
Not a reader?
I'm not as I'm not American but I'm just saying that he's not the devil like you guys make him out to be.
Bruh, your whole argument is basically "but what if he's real tho, you don't know".
By your logic, a skeptic should believe that bigfoot could be real, maybe we just haven't found him cause he's really good at hiding!
That's not what skepticism is at all. It's not about assuming that everything you know could be false because, hey, technically you don't know! That's like some twisted Schrodinger's Cat shit.
Skepticism is about recognizing when something is fishy, and rightfully calling it out. Like when you see a sensationalized news story, or misleading statistics. It has to be based on observable reality, otherwise you're just being a dumbass.
"Maybe god is real, he's just on a plane of existence we're not capable of observing!" Yeah, and maybe we're all in the matrix, you don't know.
Beautifully said (I am a believer, who recently saw the light about 4 years ago)
I love all the imagery, music, and art that comes along with Christianity, but I just can't make the jump to having faith. I'm a very faithless man these days, and have been for many years now. I've listened to a bit of JP's bible lectures (specifically the Genesis breakdown), but nothing ever clicked for me. I grew up going to a Lutheran church, didn't hate it, was confirmed at 13, but since I never felt the 'magic' of God, I gave it up. I want to believe, but since I never got any feedback along the way, it became impossible to convince myself to keep trying. It felt like a one-sided relationship.
I often waver in my faith. If I am being honest with myself I feel pretty much like you do, that it is one sided. Faith is all about believing when there is no logical or material evidence. If you align yourself with God and seriously pursue His will the universe will be twisted in your favor. After a while you stop believing it is merely coincidence. I know anecdotes don't sway people very much - but I went from having a massive depressive episode 3 years ago in which I - a full grown adult - moved back in with my mom and constantly struggled to just be, fantasizing of suicide often and one day almost carrying it out and adding everything up and coming to the conclusion I was hopeless would always be hopeless and there was no point, but I had an infinitesimally small ammount of hope. And with that and that alone I am here three years later, a home owner with a full time job doing what I wanted to do since I graduated college almost 15 years ago and other than my mortgage I am almost debt free. But even despite that I still have my doubts. I can't percieve God with any of my 5 senses and often I still feel lost. But like Peterson says, you have to look low for God. Like I want to get in shape - I am a total fatass. And I want to start doing pushups but I am weak and struggle even doing one proper pushup. So I allow myself to do many weak ass sissy push ups to work myself up to being able to do real pushups and then go from there. Once you reach an aim - like owning a house - there is always something more you can do. And I truly believe if you start out with enough humility you can do anything.
I had a whole long deal written up, but it's too tl;dr for her other than this is really on point with my experience. Only that so far I haven't really had my faith really shaken lately though I did fall out of it from highschool all the way through college. Had and saw plenty of bad experiences with Christians (ranging from seeing friends get disowned, to friends' suicide attempts, etc), got into more occult things for a bit, had experiences that I couldn't chalk up to temporal, logical, things, etc.
The thing that actually got me back to Christianity was Jordan Peterson, as plenty of others have said elsewhere. I had discounted Christianity entirely by that point, but seeing his lectures (this was back when he first gained notoriety on kia1 and elsewhere) is what opened my eyes to the Bible being just an old dusty book. For w/e reason, this led me back away from a nihilistic worldview/philosophy, it essentially made Christianity "click" for me.
I guess I'd say I've always had more of an 'intellectual' relation with the faith though. That is, I'd see these people freaking out or going on and on about how they felt Jesus with them, were filled with joy, the sort of people who go into fits, unconsciously lift their arms up in church. It always seemed like if you weren't acting like that then you weren't a "real" Christian. Not to say I don't believe in the divine or simply act as if Christianity is 'true' as Peterson does, though. Just I've never really had that "emotional"/feeling-based relation to the divine that (imho) is unhealthy played-up Evangelical/Charismatic Christian spaces. Idk how to best explain it. I wouldn't say I "feel" Jesus, the Holy Spirit, what have you, but I see their influence on my life, throughout my life. That and I somehow managed to internalize into actual belief the metaphysical aspects of Christianity. Ie, I 'know' those things are true in much the same way I know 2+2=4 (and only 4), that there are little subatomic particles called quarks, they simply are. It's hard to explain
Maybe I took Kierkegaard's leap of faith somewhere along the way and I didn't even realize it. Regardless, I'm definitely 100% better off now than I was when I didn't consider myself Christian.
It was largely the hypocricy I saw too that led me astray. I have been developing in my head better retorts for those atheists that avoid christianity due to christian hypothesy. It goes like this: If I point out a couple of poorly made video games and say "see videogames are all shite", you(speaking to the hypothetical atheist, not you personally) would just say "yeah, but games can be better". That is sort of like the atheist view of christians. And videogames could be replaced with many other things - movies, books, music. I think it may have been Peterson who had a better articulation for the commandment "don't use the lord's name in vain", that you shouldn't use Christianity as a tool of opression or merely for your own vanity or self pride. Many Christians especially if the more Evangelical sort don't seem to realize this.
This, but unironically
Wasn't being ironic. Did it come off that way? I was being sincere.
Fairly positive God is the most ultimate of black pills you can have on the market.
Religion on it's own is not so bad though.
I don't think that's a black pill.
The red pill is accepting the uncomfortable and hard truths and rejecting the comfortable and easy lies, waking up to the reality of the world. It only becomes a black pill if you fall into despair, thinking there's nothing you can do, and thus do nothing to fix the problem(s). I think the black pill in this case is a lie. There's a lot that you can do.
Stating the obvious while people on the other side cry bloody murder and call us Nazis is the best way to win over bystanders. If we ever want to do more than just hang around in ever-shrinking online echo chambers while everything that was once great about our civilization is systematically subverted and destroyed, we need to keep hammering those same points.
It doesn't matter if we already know it: it matters if some passer-by reading thos forum happens across it and thinks to himself, "Hey, that's true."
If the people comprising our civilization are so retarded that they need an explanation of reality hammered home to them, perhaps it's time for a restart.
It's been this way for awhile. Remember when Kennedy was shot? "None dare call it conspiracy"? "The Spotlight" exposing the jews for deliberately attacking our ship, and their infiltration into our institutions and government?
Their hand on our society and culture has been just as deliberate. People used to know about them as a matter of course. Now the default state is not knowing anything.
Why do you think this is happening now, at this time?
Sure, but I wish people would start talking about decentralization, taking over their states, and moving towards secession. Sometimes you have to tear down the house and rebuild. We can form a new union and take back DC after we've cleaned up the foundation.
The best part about decentralization is we can do it legally through our state governments, without getting entrapped in any violent false flag attacks. There is no reason to assume that the feds would actually attack a state that just decides to stop participating and stop cooperating.
You can do all of that without the secession, and it will still work fine. And we already have states telling the Feds "You have no power here!" and starting to put things right.
Either way, I can agree with the general attitude of this thread. To quote a man far more wise than myself, "This too shall pass." When you look at history, the US has this unnatural ability to come back from hits that have destroyed other nations, and then come out the other side stronger than ever. We are in the suck right now. But all the signs show that people are not accepting this direction and are demanding a change back to the way things were, and doing it in ways that cant be stopped, only delayed.
We are living in a rhyme of the 1970's right now, with a weak and vacillating president, domestic extremism, major domestic unrest, and a shaky economy. It sucks, but we have get through Carter before we can get Reagan. And when it happens, I guarantee this nation will take off like a rocket back to its true heights. And I will love to see it.
Yep, the states just need to start leaning in that direction and assert their sovereignty. Put the feds on notice. I guess the main point is we need to get control of our states and use that collective bargaining power, instead of hanging out with our 20 militiamen friends waiting for someone to call on us to take back the republic. That's not happening.
The worst thing about being based is having to explain to normies how reality works, despite their absolute emotional conviction.
The best thing is knowing that is going to happen and dropping a statement that sets off enough cognitive dissonance that it may force the stronger among them to actually think.