It is now proven almost beyond the shadow of a doubt that Charlie Kirk was not wearing any body armor. The attending sheriff, Erika Kirk, dozens of photographs showing the outline of his pectoral muscles and nipples, and front row witness statements all concur that he was just wearing a t-shirt.
The idea that he was wearing body armor was based on a few frames of Charlie's t-shirt jerking up, and a good faith attempt to make the FBI story make sense. But the most credible proponent of that theory, Paramount Tactical, admitted (before statements from Erika Kirk etc) that there was already a "90% chance Charlie wasn't wearing body armor."
For their part, Turning Point USA's version of the story, and the FBI's, do not mention body armor at all. The official version of the story is that the bullet didn't exit and was trapped under the skin of Charlie's back.
So what are we left with? The officially blamed weapon is a Mauser 98 firing a 30-06 round over less than 200 yards. A typical 30-06 round has a muzzle energy of 2,500-3,000 ft-lbs. That's enough to shoot through solid buckets of ice, cow bones, steel plate, and bear skulls. Conclusion: there is no way that a 30-06 round shot Charlie in the neck and did not exit.
The official story is provably false. So what really happened?
edit: Paramount also threw cold water on the idea of a frangible 30-06 round.
First, the body armor theory was always observably horseshit. Armor doesn't repel bullets at right angles. I know most people here have never been shot at before, but Hollywood physics isn't real. Bullets don't bounce around like Tom and Jerry.
Second, if they have the bullet then they'll match it to the weapon during presentation of evidence. It's quite likely that this is yet another tall tale, just from the coroner's office this time.
Highly, highly doubtful it remained lodged in his neck.
Problem is, there's no evidence of an exit wound. 4 different camera angles but no viscera or other visual evidence, and Candace Owens has seen the video from the mysterious rear camera and says there was no gore there either. Plus the large size of the "entry" wound, even from a bullet like a 30-06, doesn't really make sense either.
But yeah, we'll see if the FBI starts talking about a bullet exit.
Weirdly enough a sniper proved that a very specific edge hit on body armor could deflect metal up into the neck, but it's not like that matters at this point.
That's a ballistic plate. Which he very clearly was not wearing.
A "bulletproof" vest absorbs, it does not deflect. That might have been somewhat plausible to have been wearing underneath clothing.
True, there's no way he was wearing that (or even softer armor).
Maybe the guy damaged the bullet when he was engraving the casing? Hit a bee on the way? Reporting inaccurate? Who knows. Weird things happen.
I'm not sure what the actual problem here is. He definitely was shot and killed despite what Gemini was saying a while back.
edit: the bee theory was supposed to be representative of "stranger things have happened", but I guess that's expecting too much here. Regardless, counterintuitively the higher the power the less the bullet penetrates water. Bugs are mostly water. A hollow-point would probably start disintegrating the instant it hit a big one. Million to one odds, but maybee so.
The problem is the FBI says he was shot with a Mauser 98, and he wasn't. Killed with a pistol round, maybe. Not a full-sized rifle cartridge.
The gun is made up, the text messages are made up, and Tyler Robinson was probably entrapped but wasn't even the shooter.
You left out: the camera clearly shows the location that the shooter was at, but for some reason (to my knowledge), no video has been released showing him setting up, taking the shot, or breaking down the rifle before he ran.
And then he presumably reassembled the rifle before ditching it.
None of that makes sense.
It doesn’t make sense because, just like the attempted Trump assassination, it’s all LIES.
Okay so but the sum total of your evidence of that is 'well that's weird'. Weird stuff happens.
No, my evidence is "that's physically impossible." And I know you don't believe in miracles considering your stated beliefs here, not that this was a miracle by anyone's beliefs.
Charlie didn't have a magic neck. Abracadabra with that garbage
Don't know how you can say it's "physically impossible" since it seems to have happened. Improbable, sure, certainly not impossible.
Let me put it this way, what is it that you want the explanation to be? Israeli ninja smuggled a phone-gun in and shot him at close range without anybody noticing anything and also convinced a troony to be up on the roof at the time with a working gun but not fire and then hacked into his phone to send some weird text messages? What explanation would be satisfying.
Oh yeah, so a human neck can contain 2,500 ft-lbs of energy without deformation? Keep in mind that if the bullet doesn't exit, the full 2,500 ft-lbs is absorbed, which would blow the tissue up like an exploding water balloon. I guess Charlie really was Kal-El Jr.
Pistol round or similar from the right side to the left by an unknown shooter. Exit wound on the left.
What is the evidence that makes that so unlikely? That a dark figure was caught running on a roof? That no gun was ever videotaped by any of the thousands of cameras on campus? That the FBI took a picture of a Mauser in a cardboard box (??) that they said was wrapped in a black towel? That the text messages were obviously written by a law enforcement agent in his 50s?
So you're assuming it happened the way you were told it happened, even though the evidence suggests otherwise?
Damn I guess you're right, the authority man said that's what happened so that's the end of it.
My guess was the shot was from quite a distance, coulda been faulty/old ammo.
I read a story one time about a guy who was shot over some 2$ dollar store jewelry. Dude bought the last one, went to wait for the bus, this other guy asked him to sell them to him for his girl. He didnt want to. Dude pulled out a little .22 handgun and put it to his head and pulled the trigger.
That close it likely would have penetrated his skull but dude was wearing a ballcap.
Supposedly the metal rim in that ballcap was just enough to deflect the bullet that it hit his skull at an angle and didnt penetrate.
So yeah weird shit happens.
Now go look at a .22 round and compare it to a .30-06 round.
There's "weird" and there's "no, that didn't happen." Something had to be displaced to absorb all the energy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bz43uy0K8fY
Higher power rounds penetrate less distance. Normally they penetrate enough to exit, especially a neck, but that just means something abnormal happened this time.
This is an insane statement.
Now maybe you meant larger rounds penetrate "less distance" (higher power rounds tend to be larger) because they displace more mass as they move through an object, and that would be correct, but that's assuming all other variables are consistent.
All other variables are not consistent between a .22 round and a .30-06 round. A .30-06 is larger and has a significantly higher muzzle velocity.
No, they either exit with a large exit wound, or they obliterate the target as a shitload of its mass gets expelled from stopping the bullet. There is no in-between.
Have you ever fired a gun? Or taken a physics course?
lol watch the video dude.
Lmao
She's a leftist grifter.
And he fucks with the audio. If he didn't we could pull the spectrum and show there's a definite audio signal from a bullet impacting plate. We don't see that in any of the footage recorded on the day.
I believe the obvious wound that can be seen in the video is the exit wound. If you look carefully, you can see blood spatter when the bullet enters Charlie's neck from the back, and then again (lots more blood) after the exit wound opens on the front.
There is the chance the ammo had severely compromised performance, either from having the troony love letter stabbed into it, or just because it was old as shit.
I've carved things onto bullet casings before, as far as I know that doesn't effect anything.
Age on the other hand...
Ah, but you're not a retarded leftist who may or may not have been careful not to go too deep or puncture through fully at any point.
Do you lie for a living?
YES BULLETS DO SOMETIMES BOUNCE AROUND LIKE TOM AND JERRY.
wtf drugs are you on?
Radical ricochets are exceedingly rare, and often have to be deliberately concocted, like that video the other guy was sharing.
More often if you hit something hard you'll get shrapnel and pieces. I got a piece of shrapnel in the leg while I was in the service.
It's why the best berm for shooting is dirt.
Until I see evidence that a 30-06 was actually stuck in his spine, I will continue to believe it passed through. Just because a a friend who said he talked to a surgeon, doesn't mean that either he, or the surgeon, is correct.
I'm not going to take the word of 'some guy' when I could have a coroner's report. And even then, I'd rather look through what was found, rather than take the word of the coroner on their own conclusion. If I hadn't done that, I wouldn't be able to tell you that George Floyd's coroner was saying nonsense when he died of asphyxiation because there was no damage to the throat, and no damage to the neck, and no damage to the ribs, and no damage to the lungs. In fact, he didn't asphyxiate at all, he had damage to his heart from the drugs he was taking and his body wasn't processing oxygen correctly, or circulating oxygenated blood correctly. The evidence for asphyxiation was media reports outside of the coroner's investigation.
And yes, I can see an exit wound, it's where the blood from his carotid artery poured out. I can see an entrance wound in his front neck.
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed that. looked very much like it should have been a clear pass through, I'm not even convinced that the path on video even would like up with bone.
Given the fencing post he had, there must have been some kind of spinal damage. Even if the bullet didn't hit his spine, the secondary cavitation would have been catastrophic.
Who are you going to believe? Schizo conspiracy theories or your own eyes?
I believe in science, shockingly. Not "The Science", but actual evidence and information. Followed by the fact that the simplest explanation is, more often than not, correct.
If a man is shot by a high powered round, and I find a high-powered rifle nearby with a spent casing in it, imma assume they're related.
iirc there's video of 2 men moving around after the shot in the exact area the bullet should have ended up :/
Were they allies of the shooter? He absolutely did not act alone. 5+ people knew what was going to happen days in advance.
As for no exit wound? Time will tell. Let's hope this isn't another "Magic Bullet" situation, eh?
They cemented over the ground.
They keep doing this shit. Did the same thing in Dallas. Patched up the curb where a missed shot obviously impacted. Even eyewitness testimony verified by police that they caught a fragment in the cheek. Never once admitted to.
Look at the evidence they quickly destroy.
The story will be in a few weeks how an "accident" at the FBI destroyed critical video evidence.
I've read of instances where a bullet deflects weird on bone and ends up running under the skin, but they were all pistol caliber bullets, often .22. 30-06 is just too hot of a round to behave like that.
Not necessarily. Bullets deform violently. I don't think the whole bullet stopped in his neck with no exit wound, that's obvious nonsense. Charlie Kirk isn't Wolverine. However, bullet fragment lodged in his spine is far more reasonable.
Well that's not the official narrative now is it?
Bro, this is so early there isn't an official narrative yet.
Seen it happen with a .243 Winchester (generally faster than a .30-06) on a deer's chest, but that is thicker than a neck.
Hit the spine and then tickled the deer's ribs under the skin of the opposite side.
Bullets do weird things
Any conspiracy that starts with "the bullet didn't behave like I expected" and no other evidence I tend to throw away.
It comes down to math. You can easily look up the ballistics tables for all manner of different varieties of rounds within the same caliber and find the bullet weight, speed at a given distance, and kinetic energy.
Some times slow, heavy bullets do weird things, I’ll grant you that. But it’s not a loony conspiracy to say that there is no way a human spine stopped .30-06 from 200 yards. It’s simply impossible.
Is it possible that it wasn't a .30-06 and someone was misquoted or just wrong?
No, you don't understand.
It's clearly all a conspiracy to cover up the jews doing it. As we all know, the government is hyper competent and never fucks up anything (especially in the days right after a huge shitshow starts). Ignore your eyes, believe schizo conspiracy theories.
weird things happening in a high profile case is something to take note of though and be suspicious of though. That said I can't imagine a much less significant target to assassinate, his death changed nothing, the reaction was everything and the reaction seems artificial as hell to the point where it could have been anybody and nothing would have changed in how events play out going forwards
There is an analysis of audio going around right now that slo includes a new angle of the crowd where you can see what is possibly a shooter on a balcony in the big building, not the roof. The audio analyst claims that their breakdown of the audio shows that there was another, much closer shooter, which aligns with that potential balcony shooter. I can’t vouch for it, but if it was an Israeli hit where the shooter was Jewish and not the guy they’re claiming did it, the weird look of the shot might be explained by that.
We’d need to control the investigation to have proof that the entire narrative is nonsense, and that’s never gonna happen. The problem is, the goycattle as a majority swallow whatever narrative they are fed by the system, so it wouldn’t even matter if we had hard evidence that the entire narrative is horseshit because the majority still wouldn’t believe us. We called out numerous outright lies during the Covid 19 psyop, we called out the lies surrounding the Vegas mass shooting, and it didn’t change anything, the lockdowns and public health orders continued for 2 years, the Vegas mass shooting led to the bumpstock ban, the coverups were successful in both cases and the masses just went along with whatever they were told. I do suspect Israel played a leading role in the hit, but I’ll never be able to truly prove it, and their narrative has already been swallowed by the masses so the damage has already been done in the way they wanted it done so far, all we can do is try to mitigate any further damage in the form of anti-terror laws that will no doubt be directed at the right, even though it will certainly be sold to us like it’s about targeting antifa.
To be honest, I'm kind of disappointed how some people here are bending over backwards to make the official narrative work. Bullets in high-profile assassinations tend to defy physics. Gee, I wonder why?
My point stands….look at the guy arguing in the replies here under my comment. If you Point out obvious concerns with what the feds have said, the majority will just say you’re a retard conspiracy theorist and discount everything you say. Doesn’t matter what you say or how legitimate those points are, they will ignore every bit of it. At the same time I get it, there are some really stupid conspiracy theorists out there who buy into the most retarded theories possible. But when there are legitimate questions that need answers, like why the fuck did the Fed’s intentionally leave out the part of the video they released where the shooter takes the shot, and only release what came after the shot? There aren’t too many logical reasons why they’d do that UNLESS they’re lying about where the shot came from. We can’t ignore issues like that.
We all know government lies on a regular basis, we know they’re incredibly corrupt, we know they cover up serious crimes just like they did with the Epstein files literally a few hours after Charlie was killed, holding a vote to bury the Epstein files forever. We shouldn’t blindly trust a system that’s as corrupt as what we have, but at the same time, we have to be reasonable about the theories we entertain.
No, we're just not retarded conspiracy theorists trying to distract from the actual issues.
People like you are depressing
If it’s retarded to question a narrative that makes zero sense and speculate about the truth then call me king retard.
What do you perceive as the “actual” issues?
Leftists and trannies are getting away with literal terrorism and you chuckle fucks are distracting from that to chase theories about "muh jews" and similar retardation.
Dude there’s no way you can objectively look at what the fbi is saying and believe it.
The fbi has video of the rooftop shooter but cut that part of the video out so all we see is him running away.
You’d have to be crazy to believe that text message exchange allegedly between the killer and his girlfriend/guyfriend/whatever the fuck it was
He took his gun apart after the shooting? Verifiably false.
His neck stopped a high powered rifle round?
There’s no video at all that shows the killer with a gun preceding the incident.
They quickly destroyed the murder scene. That should have been roped off for days while they examined it.
What part of this story makes sense to you? Yeah trans people murder a lot but put away your bias for a minute and think critically.
You can see in my comments from right after the incident that I also said it was probably just a crazy trans/lefty person before they even got the guy. But then I looked at the actual evidence/story and opened my mind to try to find the truth
Dude, there's no way you can believe conspiracy theories.
There's plenty of video with the fag walking around with the gun in his pants concealed. That's why he's walking like a huge fag.
The text messages are peak tranny cringe.
The round probably didn't get stopped, I have no idea where this bullshit comes from besides retards like candance.
There's no need to rope off a scene for days where you know exactly what happened.
You guys need to get off the conspiracy dick riding.
“Dude, there's no way you can believe conspiracy theories.”
Very interesting wording.
The text messages are obviously not how a 22 year old would talk. “And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn’t for that damn fbi and how great they are at their jobs” lol. Cut me a break
Show me a video of him with a gun before the incident. The officially released photos of him in the stairwell before the incident show him bending both knees so he didn’t have the gun at that point.
That the round didn’t exit his body is the official story so far. And there would have been a shitload of blood spatter if it went through him. There was none. There was almost no blood anywhere except the front of his shirt.
I'm heartbroken for a young man whose life is being destroyed by what is obviously a professional hit.
Maybe is just me, but the fact the wife came out with the "I forgive the killer" cuckery really deflated me.
Dont really care about this anymore.
I guess woman gotta do woman things.
Right? Sign of the times. She could have even said "I hope he receives justice" and that would have been fine. Churchians are really cucked.
Full Disclosure, I have not seen the video of the shooting, don't really care to. But bear in mind many of the things below could be rendered implausible by something in the video.
The first thing I thought was frangible, which I discounted because Robinson seemed to be going the easy to obtain route, which means probably walmart rounds or similar, not exotic stuff. Looks like you have another reason to discount frangible.
Second thing is the bullet skipped off something in the vicinity and hit him tumbling, a tent pole, microphone, etc. Could have even been hit by spall.
Third thing, already mentioned, is it hit something on his person first that wasn't normal to the bullet path, like body armor or a tieclip, lapel mic, sunglasses, steel necklace or id tag, wire, swallowed ice, etc.
Forth thing, unlikely on a common round, mismatched rifling caused the bullet to lose stability in air and tumble part way(can happen with too little rifling twist, and rarely too much), or ripped off the copper jacket(can happen with too much twist). ( If that really is a Mauser 98(which there was some doubt of when people saw it) it is a bubbaed frankengun of unknown properties, which makes this more likely than on the surface)
Fifth thing, probably the most likely, the stories are jumbled up and really did exit.
As for the lack of bullet, the ripped jacket could account, as could spall, or since he was hit in throat upright, it could have gone down, or fell out. Not sure if they did an x-ray looking for it.
I do not see Israel or other third gunman as an explanation in and of itself. You would still have to explain the weirdness, almost any slug would be expected to pass through a human neck.
If they were to arrange a patsy, just use the same ammo and similar barrel instead some weird Agent Q from James Bond shit. Like some weird exotic frangible or round that melts into liquid metal at body temperature shot from an airgun.
A few responses: I don't rate a tieclip or an ice chip as significant interference.
I'm not familiar with unstable flight paths but does the projectile retain roughly the same kinetic energy? What is the accuracy when your rifling is screwed up?
The ballistics is just one of many ridiculous factors in this case. Apparently people here aren't following it as closely as I assumed.
Absolutely not. The listed "maximum effective range" on most supersonic rounds is usually when it hits the sound barrier and the
center of gravity(edit: center of pressure/drag) shifts while going through turbulence, this usually causes most bullets to tumble and lose energy very, very rapidly. If it is from mismatched rifling it could start tumbling immediately or quite far from the muzzle though.(Notable exception is .45-70, and very early, discontinued before WWI, versions of .30-06)
Ripping the jacket off means you probably end up with multiple pieces.(or one incredibly jankey piece of lead dragging the jacket like a parachute). One or more lightweight jacket pieces of a very unaerodynamic shape and a probably one very soft lead piece that is lighter than normal.
If it is screwed up enough to cause the bullet to tumble or the jacket to rip off, the accuracy is terrible, like skipping off a pole, it requires Charlie to have been unlucky.
OK, that's about what I thought. Interesting 1/10,000 possibility
If the fragment/ricochet stories are true then where did the bullet actually hit? He was surrounded by people so there should have been a lot more collateral damage.
I'm just waiting for them to pull out a pristine un-deformed bullet tip and claim it's the murder shot.
still seated in the casing, for that little touch of "fuck you, what you gonna do about it?".
I’m out of the loop on why this matters. He was clearly shot and killed via defenseless murder. Why does debating about him having body armor on matter at all?
Because if he wasn't wearing body armor then the chances are 99% he wasn't shot with a 30-06. This wouldn't be a problem, except it's the gun the FBI has proclaimed as the murder weapon.
There's obviously a whole lot of things that don't makes sense here from the shooter's bizarre messages to the way certain crew where behaving in the aftermath. An easy story to eat up about a radicalized leftist, even engraving the bullets is just so childish it doesn't make sense.
The story about Charlie having super dense bones that stopped the bullet is just as strange.
Charlie Kirk was shot by a gay communist who confessed to his parents and his boyfriend using his grandpa's rifle. All this "speculation" about whether it was actually a Mossad hitman firing a different gun from a different angle or whatever retarded theory the Jews guys are fixating on is a waste of time. Listening to Owen Shroyer or Candace Owens dropping insider "scoops" is worse than a waste of time.
It's interesting to see how people are trying to constantly distract from the reality of it being a us born and bred leftist troon lover and try to blame literally everyone else.
They won't like you noticing that pattern though
Say what? Nobody believed the body armor bit for even a microsecond besides literal morons who have never seen a gun shot in real life.
https://conspiracies.win/p/1AR0ZZ79Wq/x/c/4eWcPXFMVcY
Somebody saying it is not proven without any doubt...
He was wearing a chest plate 100% you guys can mental gymnastics all you want.
Has anyone figured out what this black dot on his shirt was? It's there in for a few frames before he is shot, and then disappears just before the neck wound appears on the other side of his neck.
https://postimg.cc/wyY816QQ
A lapel mic that flung off? Seems the right size and location for one.