Didn't his father say he confessed at home? Is there any reason to doubt his father?
You can see him hiding something in his pants that seems to be a rifle and he did have a rifle.
There is no photo of him shooting because there was no camera on him at the time, if that is the level of proof we need to convict someone of murder then we're in trouble.
I'm also willing to bet that the bullet that was retrieved from Kirk's body came from his rifle and maybe they do have gunpowder on him at the time.
version 1 - he was set up and someone used his riffle while Tyler was hiding something like a rifle for no reason and then he agreed to tell his family that he killed Charlie or his family is lying. Why would the father lie? He was a Christian.
version 2 - he actually killed him and now he is desperate because death sentence is on the table
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version 3 - there was a guy who looked like him to walk around with a rifle like item in his pants to frame him while someone else shoot Charlie with Tyler's riffle , gave the riffle back to him and asked him to take credit for the killing and now he was told to not talk because they plan to get him out. But why would he agree at all, useful idiot maybe? However he was in engineering so I assume he was not that dumb so makes no sense for him to agree to take the heat.
We have a recent history of American family having munchausen syndrome by proxy and creating condition where heads of the family mislead by MSM forcing vaccines on kids that do not want it.
And now in this case, FBI had no leads whatsoever on who shot Charlie Kirk and now this father claims that his son is a shooter. Now we have all the convenient narratives lined up like how he's radicalised, that I could believe and he was living with a troon roommate. How can I put this? They are just throwing all kind of shit at what sticks as the most compelling motive since just hating charlie kirk is not that good of a motive to shoot him, not to mention his digital footprints are not everywhere like the troon school shooter.
Given our modern surveillance state, I think “no leads” usually means “we obtained all of our current evidence illegally, so we need to construct a parallel investigation that surreptitiously incorporates that evidence”.
Didn't his father say he confessed at home? Is there any reason to doubt his father?
I don't know what his dad said, but it was his tranny bf that turned him in first, not his dad as initially reported.
You can see him hiding something in his pants that seems to be a rifle and he did have a rifle.
That's absurd. The rifle recovered by the FBI is so long it comes up to his armpit when he's standing. You could neither walk with that or conceal it in your jeans. Just try to conceal a 41" broom handle in your jeans and see how well you can pull that Pink Panther routine off.
You can see filming of a guy that had trouble walking on one of the 2 legs like was carrying something much longer then the leg also initially there was nothing about the tranny and I thought the father turned him in. The tranny later cooperated.
Didn't his father say he confessed at home? Is there any reason to doubt his father?
I'm just spitballing here - until I see more, I'm thinking this dude did it - but his dad did have military/law enforcement connections, right? An ex-sheriff, I think. A bunch of these shooters and alleged shooters have family law enforcement connections. It's possible, but not the likeliest explanation, that the dad's connections go deeper (a lot of local law enforcement still train with the feds, and even internationally), and he was willing to frame his estranged son. Again, I don't think so, but I just thought I'd address outside possibilities.
Again, to be clear, until I hear more, I think this guy is the shooter. Although there's also stuff not adding up, but that will hopefully be exposed down the line.
I prefer to think that no father would do that without an exceptional reason.
I'd love to think that too, but we see the opposite too often.
The leftist victims of violent crime like ethnic food and immigrants more than their own daughters. The fathers of school shooters (when they're around) all happen to be FBI agents. (Exaggeration, obviously, but there's a very real trend.)
Could it be that the alleged "tranny roommate" framed him? Or maybe this is a weird case of a "criss cross" scheme between the two.
IE, Tyler takes the fall until they're actually in court, and then pulls out some evidence in the middle of it that actually proves his innocence. To give the prosecution a black eye, and I guess to incite events without him actually getting convicted.
Admittedly, I'm only familiar with the idea based on a movie cliche.
But it really did strike me as odd at how quickly the alleged tranny roommate gave him up, and how quickly the media (including right-wing) went with the story.
IE, Tyler takes the fall until they're actually in court, and then pulls out some evidence in the middle of it that actually proves his innocence.
Nah, that only works on TV dramas. Any evidence that will be presented at trial must be made available to both sides before the trial starts, otherwise it isn't admissible.
Not quite the same thing, but Eddie Gallagher the SEAL got off on his war crimes charges by recruiting a witness who obtained legal immunity, then confessed to the crime on the stand.
Version 2 seems most plausible to me. I think it's possible that if he confesses everything, points out people who radicalized him, converts to whatever Charlie's specific brand of Protestantism is, and begs mercy from Ericka, he might get life in prison. Otherwise, there are a lot of people in federal authority that want him dead, maybe even more than Eric Snowden, and that would scare the shit out of me.
When I was younger, I used to debate that the death penalty didn't mean anything to criminals because the punishment could be decades away, they weren't concerned about rules, they were more concerned about not getting caught, and the imminence of someone with low time preference made it make no sense.
Nowadays, there really is something about the death penalty, even the possibility of it, that scares criminals. Even more than 25-to-life. And if the prosecutors are telling him "we're going for the death penalty, and it will be by firing squad" I think he might actually crack.
Didn't his father say he confessed at home? Is there any reason to doubt his father?
You can see him hiding something in his pants that seems to be a rifle and he did have a rifle.
There is no photo of him shooting because there was no camera on him at the time, if that is the level of proof we need to convict someone of murder then we're in trouble.
I'm also willing to bet that the bullet that was retrieved from Kirk's body came from his rifle and maybe they do have gunpowder on him at the time.
version 1 - he was set up and someone used his riffle while Tyler was hiding something like a rifle for no reason and then he agreed to tell his family that he killed Charlie or his family is lying. Why would the father lie? He was a Christian.
version 2 - he actually killed him and now he is desperate because death sentence is on the table
edit: version 3 - there was a guy who looked like him to walk around with a rifle like item in his pants to frame him while someone else shoot Charlie with Tyler's riffle , gave the riffle back to him and asked him to take credit for the killing and now he was told to not talk because they plan to get him out. But why would he agree at all, useful idiot maybe? However he was in engineering so I assume he was not that dumb so makes no sense for him to agree to take the heat.
We have a recent history of American family having munchausen syndrome by proxy and creating condition where heads of the family mislead by MSM forcing vaccines on kids that do not want it.
And now in this case, FBI had no leads whatsoever on who shot Charlie Kirk and now this father claims that his son is a shooter. Now we have all the convenient narratives lined up like how he's radicalised, that I could believe and he was living with a troon roommate. How can I put this? They are just throwing all kind of shit at what sticks as the most compelling motive since just hating charlie kirk is not that good of a motive to shoot him, not to mention his digital footprints are not everywhere like the troon school shooter.
Given our modern surveillance state, I think “no leads” usually means “we obtained all of our current evidence illegally, so we need to construct a parallel investigation that surreptitiously incorporates that evidence”.
I don't know what his dad said, but it was his tranny bf that turned him in first, not his dad as initially reported.
That's absurd. The rifle recovered by the FBI is so long it comes up to his armpit when he's standing. You could neither walk with that or conceal it in your jeans. Just try to conceal a 41" broom handle in your jeans and see how well you can pull that Pink Panther routine off.
You can see filming of a guy that had trouble walking on one of the 2 legs like was carrying something much longer then the leg also initially there was nothing about the tranny and I thought the father turned him in. The tranny later cooperated.
Maybe I'm wrong.
There is a limping video from a door cam, but the stairwell images are much higher resolution and don't show a rifle concealed anywhere.
I'm just spitballing here - until I see more, I'm thinking this dude did it - but his dad did have military/law enforcement connections, right? An ex-sheriff, I think. A bunch of these shooters and alleged shooters have family law enforcement connections. It's possible, but not the likeliest explanation, that the dad's connections go deeper (a lot of local law enforcement still train with the feds, and even internationally), and he was willing to frame his estranged son. Again, I don't think so, but I just thought I'd address outside possibilities.
Again, to be clear, until I hear more, I think this guy is the shooter. Although there's also stuff not adding up, but that will hopefully be exposed down the line.
I prefer to think that no father would do that without an exceptional reason. The father is Christian so he would hope for the prodigal son to return.
I'd love to think that too, but we see the opposite too often.
The leftist victims of violent crime like ethnic food and immigrants more than their own daughters. The fathers of school shooters (when they're around) all happen to be FBI agents. (Exaggeration, obviously, but there's a very real trend.)
No he's a Mormon
Not if his father thought he was accomplishing some deranged idea of a "greater good". In his hypothetical mind of course.
I could see it from a leftiest but not a Christian conservative. The left is all about sacrificing for the "greater good"
Could it be that the alleged "tranny roommate" framed him? Or maybe this is a weird case of a "criss cross" scheme between the two.
IE, Tyler takes the fall until they're actually in court, and then pulls out some evidence in the middle of it that actually proves his innocence. To give the prosecution a black eye, and I guess to incite events without him actually getting convicted.
That is actually a good scenario and the guy is probably smart enough to pull that.
Anything's possible at this point, but seems rather unlikely. Would make a good movie, though.
Admittedly, I'm only familiar with the idea based on a movie cliche.
But it really did strike me as odd at how quickly the alleged tranny roommate gave him up, and how quickly the media (including right-wing) went with the story.
Nah, that only works on TV dramas. Any evidence that will be presented at trial must be made available to both sides before the trial starts, otherwise it isn't admissible.
Not quite the same thing, but Eddie Gallagher the SEAL got off on his war crimes charges by recruiting a witness who obtained legal immunity, then confessed to the crime on the stand.
Version 2 seems most plausible to me. I think it's possible that if he confesses everything, points out people who radicalized him, converts to whatever Charlie's specific brand of Protestantism is, and begs mercy from Ericka, he might get life in prison. Otherwise, there are a lot of people in federal authority that want him dead, maybe even more than Eric Snowden, and that would scare the shit out of me.
When I was younger, I used to debate that the death penalty didn't mean anything to criminals because the punishment could be decades away, they weren't concerned about rules, they were more concerned about not getting caught, and the imminence of someone with low time preference made it make no sense.
Nowadays, there really is something about the death penalty, even the possibility of it, that scares criminals. Even more than 25-to-life. And if the prosecutors are telling him "we're going for the death penalty, and it will be by firing squad" I think he might actually crack.
Option 4 he is a zealot and is holding up the investigation because his antifa troons have other murders planned and he is trying to maintain opsec