J’ws let up on the censorship on all major social media platforms around the time Trump began his second run for office, that was planned and coordinated, they changed their censorship policy for a reason, or for multiple reasons. One thing is for certain we didn’t beat “woke” or even harm it as so many shill right wing influencers tried to convince us was happening, you don’t beat woke without removing J’ish power, bottom line……Censorship is coming back as it is on YouTube now, and it’s going to be way worse than it has ever been before, it’s just a matter of time. I think part of the reason why they let up on the censorship for awhile was to instill a false sense of hope, because the hopeless might try to search for alternative fixes to a broken system outside of the fake options ZOG and its corporations have to offer, like Trump and Rumble. Another reason why they let up on censorship was probably to get a better view of who all of the dissidents are. The censorship was so bad for years that it resulted in a lot of dissidents either being silent or they were using code words to get around the algos, so ZOG didn’t have a super accurate list of who the problem children are, or who would follow the problem children if any sort of antisemitic movement began to grow…..Now they have an accurate picture of who the vast majority of ZOG’s enemies are, and something is going to happen that justifies a move to deal with that list of people wholesale. Will it be a major false flag hack that ushers in digital ID so the dissidents can’t hide from censorship anymore? WW3 draft? Idk how they’ll take care of the problem children but rest assured they’re going to try, and with that move, free speech will officially be wiped out of our society.
They let up for a minute so they could install ID requirements in all the other countries.
This is what they do. They push a little too hard somewhere. Observe their failures. They let up for a bit. They fix the failures. They turn it back on again.
It's the same way you boil a frog. If he jumps, turn it down for a minute, cover the pot, then continue.
They understood that if Trump lost they'd be fucked. We would have torn the system up from the roots. These guys are playing the long game. They don't give a shit about short term results.
Same reason Kennedy is out here shilling vaccines. He was never a real candidate.
This seems to be a growing problem. The Reddit groups /r/Instagram and /r/BannedFromDiscord are filled with stories of innocent people being banned by AI for supposed child pornography related issues when they did nothing wrong at all, made inappropriate jokes, or were cases of guilt by association. And these people complain that it is difficult to find a human to appeal to because it's all being done by AI now, many are only getting unbanned after contacting attorneys or filing arbitration claims.
I guess it's a good thing that AI is doing this now, given that documentary that (I think) Vice put out about the human moderators having to sit through reported gore and child abuse content, but there should be at least some form of human contact for an appeal.
I have banned lots of people and I have been banned from many things, so I can see both sides of this issue. People absolutely get banned unfairly both from AI and from human moderators. Because AI has false positives or is configured aggressively and human moderators go crazy regularly.
But also, people who get banned for good reason never admit to wrong doing - because there's no reason to. They're already banned, so they might as well say they did "nothing", and maybe some other moderator will believe them and unban them, or maybe a mob will get riled up and that's a type of revenge they can have. Or maybe a human moderator will see their bogus complaint, dig up their horrendous behavior and post it publicly and justify the ban. If that happens, well, they lost nothing because they're still banned. Plus they forced a moderator to waste more time and that's a type of revenge. This is what most GDPR requests are about too, they get to say "do this!" and the other guy has to, lets them regain some tiny amount of power. You can see this when people get arrested on body cam videos, "loosen my cuffs!", "read me my rights!", "pick up my shoe!", "call my mom!", "bring me to jail!!" - they want to give an order and have it followed to sooth their wounded ego.
People will post loli, they'll post cropped CP, or they'll behave in such away that if you know you know, and they'll do that around kids. Then you ban them and they'll try to pretend it was just a cartoon, or just a girl in a swimsuit, or they were just being friendly, or actually talking about cheese pizza, or whatever. They'll come back with a vpn or tor or on their phone, they'll recruit little buddies to help them, they'll hack into other people's accounts. You really have no idea of the depths of humanity until you're on the other end of moderation.
One virtuous moderator does not erase the fact that every single one of us here today are here because ourselves and the communities we were a part of got banned by some censorious cunt of a mod. How the fuck we came out of the days of Usenet and thought self-appointed retards with digital guns were better than a self-policing democracy built over time I don't know.
On behalf of everyone here, you're a faggot. Perhaps not you personally, but the caste you represent.
How the fuck we came out of the days of Usenet and thought self-appointed retards with digital guns were better than a self-policing democracy built over time I don't know.
People probably just figured a self policing democracy couldn't survive eternal summer.
I guess it's a good thing that AI is doing this now, given that documentary that (I think) Vice put out about the human moderators having to sit through reported gore and child abuse content
Hash checks have been used for years for that sort of thing so real people don't need to see it.
It's like mentioning dQw4w9WgXcQ and knowing at least some people are going to recognise it even though the actual character string is entirely random in creation.
Except that won't even work for cropping or re-encoding. You need image recognition. Simpler matching algorithms work for simple image manipulations, but in the age of AI image-to-image, you need an AI image classifier and that's going to have false positives so here we are.
You know how they sell those "anti AI" kits for people? Some face paint and some unusual accessories is all it takes to completely fuckup "AI detection."
So. How sure are you that these same techniques wouldn't be used by the pornographers? I don't care about the image. I want the CHILD ABUSE TO STOP. This "AI scanning" idea is fucking worthless. It's backwards. I can't believe people here would toy with the idea even for a second.
Are you sure the people deploying these systems don't leak their information to those could take advantage of it like this?
It's like pretending "master locks" are a solution to theft. It's wholly compromised by retardation. That's the "AI marketing" trick though. Get you to turn off you brain and accept their claims without challenge.
Red team everything or they will lie to you always.
I've only seen this done as some kind of performance art and it's unclear if it would even work. Seems reasonable that it could mess up systems designed for grainy security cam footage, but who knows. More advanced systems use gait analysis and thermal imaging.
> I don't care about the image. I want the CHILD ABUSE TO STOP
Ok please fill in step 2:
Let people post CP
???
Child abuse stops
>One fucking pixel
This is from 2019 and even at the time, required access to the internal workings of the neural network. It's a neat trick but it was never something that could be deployed and it won't even work on newer image classifiers.
Sure locks can be picked or cut off, but we still put locks on things, because it raises the barrier. Not everyone is a lock picking lawyer. We still do hash matching on images because there are some dumbasses who will repost CP with known hashes.
Some people misuse or overly trust locks, that doesn't mean that locks do nothing. An AI classifier should be used as part of a system, not a be-all end-all. It's a tool, that like any tool, can be misused.
DO NOT LET people post CP. Criminally charge them for it. Put them in jail immediately. The police should be doing this.
Turn the AI off. It cannot help you or anyone with this problem.
Child abuse is less than it is now.
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Was that so hard you couldn't do it yourself? I don't have the answer. One probably doesn't exist. I know the answer is NOT allowing corporations with AIs to pretend to "solve" the problem with this bullshit. It just buries it under a layer of false security.
I care about the kids. Everything else is a fucking distraction.
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And yes. It does require knowledge of the "neural network." You know they have a file format for these and they're not "impossible to analyze."
Let me ask you a question. Are there billionaire child molesters? What's your security model then? Wake up.
Same with games. Elder Scrolls Online has been smiting accounts left, right and center recently with no appeal lifetime bans. One for using the word "nagger"* in context in chat. They (Zenimax -> Microsoft) have been popping up in forums swearing up and down that they're not using AI to monitor chat and ban people but... They're totally using AI to ban people.
*A "nagger" from the dictionary - describing someone who annoys others by constantly finding fault, complaining, or urging them to do something,
about the human moderators having to sit through reported gore and child abuse content
There was never any reason to require that. Aside from that how do you know this actually happened?
I guess it's a good thing that AI is doing this now
Law enforcement should be handling this. You don't see the slope here? They're working to EXCLUDE law enforcement from their platforms. They want to be the law enforcement themselves.
Defund the police is more than about reducing patrol volume in your area. It's about shutting down working task forces that handled this before. Then it's about taking that control into corporations. Now you're stuck with "binding arbitration" rather than a "juicy federal lawsuit."
Grok has access to Twitter's internal API, so it can directly access all data on Twitter and is always up to date. You can ask it to look at specific things people are tweeting about in the last hour. It's really valuable for pulling useful things out of Twitter which would be very hard to find or analyze manually.
Yes - it just dumps relevant search results into the context window and then answers your questions.
But information in the context window isn’t as thoroughly processed as information it is trained on - it spends only a small amount of processing time on each token generated
Grok 4 has a 256k context window and it does it's processing in phases as part of it's reasoning, so it breaks it down into searches for different days/weeks depending on how many results there are, analyzes batches of data that can fit into the context window, and then made the conclusions by comparing the aggregated analysis of each batch over time.
Seems more than good enough for a sufficiently well-specified analysis like this.
Let me stop you right there, friend. LLMs can't analyze anything, they can only pick words to make something that looks like what it was trained to replicate. No actual logic or reasoning is involved, just linguistic manipulation which sometimes correlates with reality.
I'm not one of the people who believes that LLMs are magic. They may not be anywhere near as good or capable as most people think they are, but Grok 4's reasoning capability combined with the access it has to Twitters API is still more than good enough for a simple, well-specified analysis task like this.
It's reasoning-based model broke down the task into a bunch of steps, explained what it was doing as it performed each step, including the reasoning behind it's search strategy and how it adapted the strategy as it went due to the amount of recent results which hit limits. After performing each step, and doing simple analysis of each batch of results that it found and processed, it then aggregated it's findings from each batch over time to confirm this.
Again, it doesn't do reasoning. The page on "reasoning" in xAI's docs gives no details about any logic model, just "thinking" about problems for longer and "step-by-step". But linguistic manipulation is still only linguistic manipulation no matter how "step-by-step" or how long it's done for.
How do you even know the steps it claims to be taking are in fact what it's doing? The original ChatGPT could also explain its "reasoning" to you, but it wasn't designed to reason and didn't have access to its own internal processes (which were just applying weights in a neural network) so anything you got was just a post hoc explanation based on nothing real.
If the outcome of it's actions it performs based on the "reasoning" it claims to have done aligns with the actions that you would have performed having actually done the same reasoning, then does it matter if the reasoning was actually done or if it just claimed to have done them? As long as it gives you enough key details along the way, along with the findings based on the actions it took due to the reasoning, then you can confirm it for yourself.
Of course it matters whether it did the reasoning it claims, since the results are determined by the method. Even if the results aren't affected in this case, that would be a rare exception. Any intermediate results it claims wouldn't be genuine intermediate results so couldn't in general be used by a human to reach the correct final result.
considering the amount of indian A.Islop channels i highly doubt this affects original creators
then again, its jewtube, run by pajeets (literally jeet CEO) and everyone and their mother knows just how hated the jewtube content moderation team are
J’ws let up on the censorship on all major social media platforms around the time Trump began his second run for office, that was planned and coordinated, they changed their censorship policy for a reason, or for multiple reasons. One thing is for certain we didn’t beat “woke” or even harm it as so many shill right wing influencers tried to convince us was happening, you don’t beat woke without removing J’ish power, bottom line……Censorship is coming back as it is on YouTube now, and it’s going to be way worse than it has ever been before, it’s just a matter of time. I think part of the reason why they let up on the censorship for awhile was to instill a false sense of hope, because the hopeless might try to search for alternative fixes to a broken system outside of the fake options ZOG and its corporations have to offer, like Trump and Rumble. Another reason why they let up on censorship was probably to get a better view of who all of the dissidents are. The censorship was so bad for years that it resulted in a lot of dissidents either being silent or they were using code words to get around the algos, so ZOG didn’t have a super accurate list of who the problem children are, or who would follow the problem children if any sort of antisemitic movement began to grow…..Now they have an accurate picture of who the vast majority of ZOG’s enemies are, and something is going to happen that justifies a move to deal with that list of people wholesale. Will it be a major false flag hack that ushers in digital ID so the dissidents can’t hide from censorship anymore? WW3 draft? Idk how they’ll take care of the problem children but rest assured they’re going to try, and with that move, free speech will officially be wiped out of our society.
They let up for a minute so they could install ID requirements in all the other countries.
This is what they do. They push a little too hard somewhere. Observe their failures. They let up for a bit. They fix the failures. They turn it back on again.
It's the same way you boil a frog. If he jumps, turn it down for a minute, cover the pot, then continue.
They understood that if Trump lost they'd be fucked. We would have torn the system up from the roots. These guys are playing the long game. They don't give a shit about short term results.
Same reason Kennedy is out here shilling vaccines. He was never a real candidate.
It's too big for its own good and has no way to stop growing. This is flailing.
This seems to be a growing problem. The Reddit groups /r/Instagram and /r/BannedFromDiscord are filled with stories of innocent people being banned by AI for supposed child pornography related issues when they did nothing wrong at all, made inappropriate jokes, or were cases of guilt by association. And these people complain that it is difficult to find a human to appeal to because it's all being done by AI now, many are only getting unbanned after contacting attorneys or filing arbitration claims.
I guess it's a good thing that AI is doing this now, given that documentary that (I think) Vice put out about the human moderators having to sit through reported gore and child abuse content, but there should be at least some form of human contact for an appeal.
I have banned lots of people and I have been banned from many things, so I can see both sides of this issue. People absolutely get banned unfairly both from AI and from human moderators. Because AI has false positives or is configured aggressively and human moderators go crazy regularly.
But also, people who get banned for good reason never admit to wrong doing - because there's no reason to. They're already banned, so they might as well say they did "nothing", and maybe some other moderator will believe them and unban them, or maybe a mob will get riled up and that's a type of revenge they can have. Or maybe a human moderator will see their bogus complaint, dig up their horrendous behavior and post it publicly and justify the ban. If that happens, well, they lost nothing because they're still banned. Plus they forced a moderator to waste more time and that's a type of revenge. This is what most GDPR requests are about too, they get to say "do this!" and the other guy has to, lets them regain some tiny amount of power. You can see this when people get arrested on body cam videos, "loosen my cuffs!", "read me my rights!", "pick up my shoe!", "call my mom!", "bring me to jail!!" - they want to give an order and have it followed to sooth their wounded ego.
People will post loli, they'll post cropped CP, or they'll behave in such away that if you know you know, and they'll do that around kids. Then you ban them and they'll try to pretend it was just a cartoon, or just a girl in a swimsuit, or they were just being friendly, or actually talking about cheese pizza, or whatever. They'll come back with a vpn or tor or on their phone, they'll recruit little buddies to help them, they'll hack into other people's accounts. You really have no idea of the depths of humanity until you're on the other end of moderation.
Pah.
One virtuous moderator does not erase the fact that every single one of us here today are here because ourselves and the communities we were a part of got banned by some censorious cunt of a mod. How the fuck we came out of the days of Usenet and thought self-appointed retards with digital guns were better than a self-policing democracy built over time I don't know.
On behalf of everyone here, you're a faggot. Perhaps not you personally, but the caste you represent.
>self-appointed retards
>self-policing democracy
Are these not the same thing?
People probably just figured a self policing democracy couldn't survive eternal summer.
Yeah, it's hard to trust the banned.
Youtube is getting flooded with low tier AI spam and deceptive stolen slop from other people's content, so they really aught to be banning more.
And none of the people banned will admit it publicly when they're calling on youtube to reverse the policy.
Hash checks have been used for years for that sort of thing so real people don't need to see it.
It's like mentioning dQw4w9WgXcQ and knowing at least some people are going to recognise it even though the actual character string is entirely random in creation.
>Hash checks have been used for years
Except that won't even work for cropping or re-encoding. You need image recognition. Simpler matching algorithms work for simple image manipulations, but in the age of AI image-to-image, you need an AI image classifier and that's going to have false positives so here we are.
You know how they sell those "anti AI" kits for people? Some face paint and some unusual accessories is all it takes to completely fuckup "AI detection."
So. How sure are you that these same techniques wouldn't be used by the pornographers? I don't care about the image. I want the CHILD ABUSE TO STOP. This "AI scanning" idea is fucking worthless. It's backwards. I can't believe people here would toy with the idea even for a second.
One fucking pixel is all it takes. https://www.kaggle.com/discussions/general/562475
Are you sure the people deploying these systems don't leak their information to those could take advantage of it like this?
It's like pretending "master locks" are a solution to theft. It's wholly compromised by retardation. That's the "AI marketing" trick though. Get you to turn off you brain and accept their claims without challenge.
Red team everything or they will lie to you always.
>face paint
I've only seen this done as some kind of performance art and it's unclear if it would even work. Seems reasonable that it could mess up systems designed for grainy security cam footage, but who knows. More advanced systems use gait analysis and thermal imaging.
> I don't care about the image. I want the CHILD ABUSE TO STOP
Ok please fill in step 2:
Let people post CP
???
Child abuse stops
>One fucking pixel
This is from 2019 and even at the time, required access to the internal workings of the neural network. It's a neat trick but it was never something that could be deployed and it won't even work on newer image classifiers.
Sure locks can be picked or cut off, but we still put locks on things, because it raises the barrier. Not everyone is a lock picking lawyer. We still do hash matching on images because there are some dumbasses who will repost CP with known hashes.
Some people misuse or overly trust locks, that doesn't mean that locks do nothing. An AI classifier should be used as part of a system, not a be-all end-all. It's a tool, that like any tool, can be misused.
DO NOT LET people post CP. Criminally charge them for it. Put them in jail immediately. The police should be doing this.
Turn the AI off. It cannot help you or anyone with this problem.
Child abuse is less than it is now.
--
Was that so hard you couldn't do it yourself? I don't have the answer. One probably doesn't exist. I know the answer is NOT allowing corporations with AIs to pretend to "solve" the problem with this bullshit. It just buries it under a layer of false security.
I care about the kids. Everything else is a fucking distraction.
--
And yes. It does require knowledge of the "neural network." You know they have a file format for these and they're not "impossible to analyze."
Let me ask you a question. Are there billionaire child molesters? What's your security model then? Wake up.
Same with games. Elder Scrolls Online has been smiting accounts left, right and center recently with no appeal lifetime bans. One for using the word "nagger"* in context in chat. They (Zenimax -> Microsoft) have been popping up in forums swearing up and down that they're not using AI to monitor chat and ban people but... They're totally using AI to ban people.
*A "nagger" from the dictionary - describing someone who annoys others by constantly finding fault, complaining, or urging them to do something,
Zenimax are a bunch of naggers
There was never any reason to require that. Aside from that how do you know this actually happened?
Law enforcement should be handling this. You don't see the slope here? They're working to EXCLUDE law enforcement from their platforms. They want to be the law enforcement themselves.
Defund the police is more than about reducing patrol volume in your area. It's about shutting down working task forces that handled this before. Then it's about taking that control into corporations. Now you're stuck with "binding arbitration" rather than a "juicy federal lawsuit."
It's a game. You can't see it any other way.
Is a LLM able to do analysis of comments not jn its training data?
Or is it just repeating/rearranging recent comments that are in its context window?
Grok has access to Twitter's internal API, so it can directly access all data on Twitter and is always up to date. You can ask it to look at specific things people are tweeting about in the last hour. It's really valuable for pulling useful things out of Twitter which would be very hard to find or analyze manually.
Yes - it just dumps relevant search results into the context window and then answers your questions.
But information in the context window isn’t as thoroughly processed as information it is trained on - it spends only a small amount of processing time on each token generated
Grok 4 has a 256k context window and it does it's processing in phases as part of it's reasoning, so it breaks it down into searches for different days/weeks depending on how many results there are, analyzes batches of data that can fit into the context window, and then made the conclusions by comparing the aggregated analysis of each batch over time.
Seems more than good enough for a sufficiently well-specified analysis like this.
Yes. Probably true
Let me stop you right there, friend. LLMs can't analyze anything, they can only pick words to make something that looks like what it was trained to replicate. No actual logic or reasoning is involved, just linguistic manipulation which sometimes correlates with reality.
I'm not one of the people who believes that LLMs are magic. They may not be anywhere near as good or capable as most people think they are, but Grok 4's reasoning capability combined with the access it has to Twitters API is still more than good enough for a simple, well-specified analysis task like this.
It's reasoning-based model broke down the task into a bunch of steps, explained what it was doing as it performed each step, including the reasoning behind it's search strategy and how it adapted the strategy as it went due to the amount of recent results which hit limits. After performing each step, and doing simple analysis of each batch of results that it found and processed, it then aggregated it's findings from each batch over time to confirm this.
Again, it doesn't do reasoning. The page on "reasoning" in xAI's docs gives no details about any logic model, just "thinking" about problems for longer and "step-by-step". But linguistic manipulation is still only linguistic manipulation no matter how "step-by-step" or how long it's done for.
How do you even know the steps it claims to be taking are in fact what it's doing? The original ChatGPT could also explain its "reasoning" to you, but it wasn't designed to reason and didn't have access to its own internal processes (which were just applying weights in a neural network) so anything you got was just a post hoc explanation based on nothing real.
If the outcome of it's actions it performs based on the "reasoning" it claims to have done aligns with the actions that you would have performed having actually done the same reasoning, then does it matter if the reasoning was actually done or if it just claimed to have done them? As long as it gives you enough key details along the way, along with the findings based on the actions it took due to the reasoning, then you can confirm it for yourself.
Of course it matters whether it did the reasoning it claims, since the results are determined by the method. Even if the results aren't affected in this case, that would be a rare exception. Any intermediate results it claims wouldn't be genuine intermediate results so couldn't in general be used by a human to reach the correct final result.
considering the amount of indian A.Islop channels i highly doubt this affects original creators
then again, its jewtube, run by pajeets (literally jeet CEO) and everyone and their mother knows just how hated the jewtube content moderation team are
I dont feel bad when that crazy vegan iranian girl went postal at their HQ