Atlantic: What Porn Did to American Culture
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Porn by itself wouldn't be the problem given that we've had thousands of years to draw naked women and even host sex shows.
It's the combination of feminism making women reject natural family roles and traditional values that made it into a toxic influence, not to mention a lot of the porn industry being focused on shoving trans and gay shit onto people through porn.
Get rid of feminist influence and I wouldn't be surprised if porn consumption goes down. The opposite will probably do nothing at best, lead to worse behavioural incidents at worst as they might copy the Muslim method of getting women..
Well there's also the breakdown of social cohesion on an industrial scale that's causing untold millions of people to become lonely and despair at even the prospect of finding someone to form a healthy relationship with. Hell even the unhealthy relationships are starting to dwindle. Is it any wonder porn use is so rampant? No one is looking to address the collapse of social health.
Because women are completely out of control and the second men have standards, women cry sexism & insecurity. This is 100% women’s fault.
Sorry for sounding like Imp
I've said it before on this topic, but it's more complicated than that. The argument makes no sense, if you consider the premise. And not saying you're saying this verbatim or anything, or believe it, but it's often something along the lines of what people mean.
Premise: Women are basically child-like psychopaths who have no agency or accountability...but also it's their fault they're out of control. If women are incapable of keeping themselves in check, men clearly share some of the blame for letting themselves be manipulated into letting women get so out of control in the first place.
As always on sex relations issues, it's a give and take. Women and men are different, and as such they each share some blame and responsibility for the current state of things. Men and women have both utterly failed to fulfill their roles.
The issue with that is we're so many decades/centuries off that the men you could blame are long gone. Modern men have modern women to deal with, a trillion dollar propaganda campaign to break them, and if that's not enough, the most powerful and massive governments the world has ever seen.
Our generation of men has never known what keeping women in check even means. Most couldn't even conceptualize it out of fear of being called a mushogynist.
The frustrating thing is that the "big conservative" types are still strongly influenced by feminism so that they essentially hold both the "women are completely capable" view AND the "men are to blame for how women act" view.
I think it's bigger than that, but you've certainly outlined a core component of what's gone wrong and needs to be fixed if we're to see any sort of recovery.
It's also just too readily accessible, and too technologically advanced. Modern porn certainly isn't cave paintings or erotic art.
It also feeds on itself; access to porn in a healthy culture might be fine, but access to porn in a shit culture, with lots of shit parents, and shit standards where no one cares and there's no community, leads to kids starting young and getting hooked and stuff.
And, yeah, like you said, women being driven away from traditional roles also make men more likely to turn to porn.
It's circular; a destroyed society leads to porn consumption, and porn overconsumption further damages society.
There's no easy fix either. Even a ban wont have an effect for 10+ years. Not saying don't even try, but it's difficult to think-tank a solution. Because widespread porn consumption is more of a symptom of a deeper problem, than the root itself.
Prob need to separate boys and girl's schools. Build some mystery and walls between them. Girls would be more likely to be trad fem as they wouldn't be aping boys. Boys would have teachers that wouldn't have to supress the class for girls, and would be less likely to go femboy to compete with girls for attention. Basically the division of sexes would reinforce the traits you need to foster so they make for better partnering later.
There's an easy fix. There isn't a bloodless fix.
Spilling blood is hard because then the situation spirals out of control quickly.
What southern states are doing is a good first step.
Prove you’re 18+, not just with a wink, but actually verify.
Porn site are then removing themselves.
Absolutely not. I've said it before, but that just ends online anonymity, under the guise of 'think of the children.' It's a very slippery slope to full on internet ID.
And, as I've said, it affects everyone, not just minors, since adults need to prove they're not minors, meaning everyone shows ID to access some websites. And what if it expands? It's a hop skip and a jump to demanding ID for other "adult" gated activities...like exercising your Second Amendment rights. "Government needs your ID to even look at gun content" isn't that far removed, for example.
Miss me with that.
Internet anonymity is one of the few good things the current landscape has given us, and we need to keep it, or we lose hard.
Easy fix is death penalty for people that produce porn.
We have seen more naked women than our entire line of ancestry going all the way back to proto humans combined
But also less on average than each individual ancestor (in real life, obvious), probably.
Modern society, man. Not even once.
An old joke from Mennonite Saskatchewan:
"See a man with 9 children? He's 'done it' 9 times!" 😄
Porn is a massive part of shit culture. You don't have good porn as it degrades all parties involved and destroys men slowly. You introduce porn into any culture and it destroys the men and lures the women into it for attention.
Without porn.. i think we'd have chimped out long ago. It does keep us complacent and idle. Lot more people going postal without a release.
Unfortunately I think you're right, it's why I'm ok with AI taking over that aspect just to cripple the real 'actors' porn industry.
But if we want to solve this without a mass chimp out, we need to both purge feminist ideology and purge religious organisations of leftist enablers.
We don't want tradcucks back either.
You remove feminism now to save the women and girls BEFORE they are tricked into wasting their lives like their spiteful, older hags.
I think most men would rather that be done at minimum even if it didn't solve their own personal relationship issues.
Porn is very damaging to individuals an societies.
Sure, but just banning it WITHOUT dealing with the underlying issues that led to it being toxic may make the situation a thousand times worse.
I doubt it would make thing worse. It's true that underlying issues should be addressed.