All this talk about "standards" has me just side splittingly amused.
Dave Smith has a standard: THE TRUTH
This is what all of the IDW except for maybe Brett Weinstein doesn't have. Brett, to give him credit, is calling out Douglas Murray for the implication of what "standards" in the podcasting sphere would look like, which is censorship.
I swear, I never want to hear another fucking word out of James Fucking Lindsey's mouth about anything, he has permanently burned any credibility he earned over calling out critical theory in academia with his Don Quixote style campaign against the "woke right."
he has permanently burned any credibility he earned over calling out critical theory in academia
I think its a good lesson for most people on the Right to learn that just because someone says something you agree with one day, doesn't make them your champion or even an ally.
This is especially true when it came to "calling out the woke" because that was not only smart business for many years now, but it was only a "foot in the door" that didn't tell you much about them. Its like with TERFs. They hate trannies the same as us all, but they only do so and call them out because they just hate men and believe in all the other same liberal progressive nonsense that isn't at odds with that first part.
So is the case with many on the Right who are now "calling out the woke" when its super easy to do so and also massively benefits multiple competing ideologies.
I think its a good lesson for most people on the Right to learn that just because someone says something you agree with one day, doesn't make them your champion or even an ally.
I'm disappointed in Dave Rubin, too. I know he's a contentious figure, and I hadn't watched him in years, but it's still sad to see him shill like this. He was always more on the neocon side of things, but seemed like a decent guy otherwise. He, like people like Ben Shapiro, served a useful purpose when the culture war was kicking off. Rubin is like Shapiro but nowhere near as obnoxious, and much more personable. Frustrating to see him keep picking the wrong side.
Yea, that's why we invented the Internet, so I can see what's actually going on half way across the world without having to rely on biased fuckwits like you.
"if [baddie] goes back to his apartment building and you know that there's women and children in that apartment building and so your move is to blow up the building ... you did it intentionally you dropped a bomb knowing that there were women and children in that building that is intentionally murdering innocent people"
This is like that riddle where the doctor can't operate on the kid because it's "my son", but how can that be - the father died in the car crash.
The truth is that women and younglings can also be bad (just ask Anakin).
edit: in case you guys didn't get it, this is disingenuous emotional manipulation from Smith; he doesn't believe only women and children can be innocents and could have just said a building full of innocent people, but he put that in there to turn your brain off. This is not honest, truthful debate either because there is a discussion to be had over whether or how innocent the broader population is (for instance Murray says 1/3 buildings have arms stockpiles or tunnels), but Smith has shut that down with emotional appeals. I'm not endorsing Murray's position, it's just to show that point of disagreement exists.
Another Clint Russel video, about the (somehow still) continuing Joe Rogan/Dave Smith/Doug Murray drama.
An interesting tie-in, a connection that Clint was making, was this onslaught pushing for Experts™ (and for the exclusion of certain regime-unfriendly voices) at the same time that they're pushing for war with Iran that the powers that be seem to want.
Say what you want about Trump - and it would have been his fault if we had bombed Iran, to be fair - but I appreciate the restraint...and hope it holds. All it will take is for someone to make the right emotional or financial appeal, and I worry Trump will reverse course...but for now I very much appreciate him saying 'yeah, we're not doing that shit.'
this onslaught pushing for Experts™ (and for the exclusion of certain regime-unfriendly voices)
The best most recent counter to the Experts paradigm is the huge number of licensed, credentialed, and experienced medical professionals and researchers who spoke out or attempted to speak out against the predominant global COVID-19 narrative but were ignored and silenced, sometimes forcefully with punishment, because The Experts Are Who We Say They Are - making it a meaningless qualification of credibility in general topics of discussion. I want an expert to diagnose my medical condition. I don't need an expert to tell me what government policy should be or if we need to go to war.
Yeah. Although there was a shit ton of evil going on, on the purely informational side, I think the Lockdown Era was a good thing. There's still a ton of people sleeping, but those who weren't already fully programmed all went 'wait, what the fuck?'
And that can only be good. Experts™ and the legacy media largely lost their power. Covid, Trump Term 1 (Russian asset, and all their other related lies) put them in the ground. They still have sway over many - too many - but they no longer have critical mass, and enough people think they're fucking jokes to thoroughly embarrass them, as they deserve.
I like how they're doing the same "muh experts" playbook that we saw coming from the left on things like COVID and "gender affirming care," just completely shameless.
Yeah. He objected to the term "neoconservatism," when he wrote a fucking book about it. When he was quite young (an Expert still?). Also, he keeps advocating for war...but has he even been there served? He was young enough at the time; if he believed in war so strongly...sign up.
I floated the idea right after the debate that it was some kind plan; Murray is clever and an effective communicator and I don't believe for a second he simply got steamrolled.
Watch the first two minutes. Murray immediately takes charge, accuses JRE of being one-sided, and defines the debate for at least the first two hours. He came there with a goal in mind.
But I doubt it has anything to do with an Iran war. I'm confident that a candidate from either party running on an anti-Israel or even anti-Jew platform would handily win 2028 in a 2016-esque upset. "You can't insult your way to the Presidency," says Jeb!, but people were so sick of this walking on eggshells they went with the totally unwinnable, totally crass candidate. The same type of unrest now, but over Israel and/or Jews.
This is what people like James Lindsey and Doug Murray have also noticed, and they so fear 'the rise of fascism' from their upbringing, that they're willing to throw themselves on the fire to prevent it. A fire among intellectuals that's been stoked by a Greater Israel that's panicking over the public sentiment they're seeing.
They have to control or contain these long-form debates and forums because if there is honest debate people are going to say fuck this 1% who are dual citizens that don't have allegiance or a care for the country - which especially the young online crowd are increasingly saying.
They have to control or contain these long-form debates and forums because if there is honest debate people are going to say fuck this 1% who are dual citizens that don't have allegiance or a care for the country - which especially the young online crowd are increasingly saying.
Israel is polling at like 20% approval with zoomers. Even overall Republican polling has dropped near 50% iirc. At this point they've lost the war. Their future is a very slow motion car crash. The only question is how much negativity they can mitigate, if any.
All it will take is for someone to make the right emotional or financial appeal, and I worry Trump will reverse course
To be fair, its equally likely for him to reverse reverse course after a few bombs for the same reason.
He is quite unstable, and prone to grandiose gestures to force people to the negotiating table. Helpful at some times, but might come to bite us all in the ass when he looses a bomb that people won't be a bluff he is trying to call.
This is feeling like the Peter Hotez moment in the sense of the establishment going all in to bat for a dead duck retard. Globalists sure don't know how to pick their horses.
Murray wrote in support of the Iraq war and he plainly stated in 2022 that Ukraine was going to win against Russia (good thread on his history here). He's been free to comment on plenty of topics and countries in the past despite having NEVUH BEEEAN (gasp). If expertise has to be held to a standard, Murray should be ejected from the convo before the starter pistol fires. But of course, as everyone really knows, this is a facade to declare some debates and debaters illegitimate.
Murray was quick to run to the other biggest retard on the internet, Sam Harris, to have his wounds licked the other day. I couldn't make it any further than Harris calling his efforts on Rogan 'fantastic'. Intellectual honesty is absolutely worthless to these intellectuals.
All this talk about "standards" has me just side splittingly amused.
Dave Smith has a standard: THE TRUTH
This is what all of the IDW except for maybe Brett Weinstein doesn't have. Brett, to give him credit, is calling out Douglas Murray for the implication of what "standards" in the podcasting sphere would look like, which is censorship.
I swear, I never want to hear another fucking word out of James Fucking Lindsey's mouth about anything, he has permanently burned any credibility he earned over calling out critical theory in academia with his Don Quixote style campaign against the "woke right."
I think its a good lesson for most people on the Right to learn that just because someone says something you agree with one day, doesn't make them your champion or even an ally.
This is especially true when it came to "calling out the woke" because that was not only smart business for many years now, but it was only a "foot in the door" that didn't tell you much about them. Its like with TERFs. They hate trannies the same as us all, but they only do so and call them out because they just hate men and believe in all the other same liberal progressive nonsense that isn't at odds with that first part.
So is the case with many on the Right who are now "calling out the woke" when its super easy to do so and also massively benefits multiple competing ideologies.
Influencers are always for sale.
Yeah, Lindsay is a fucktard.
I'm disappointed in Dave Rubin, too. I know he's a contentious figure, and I hadn't watched him in years, but it's still sad to see him shill like this. He was always more on the neocon side of things, but seemed like a decent guy otherwise. He, like people like Ben Shapiro, served a useful purpose when the culture war was kicking off. Rubin is like Shapiro but nowhere near as obnoxious, and much more personable. Frustrating to see him keep picking the wrong side.
"You've never been there?!?!"
Yea, that's why we invented the Internet, so I can see what's actually going on half way across the world without having to rely on biased fuckwits like you.
"if [baddie] goes back to his apartment building and you know that there's women and children in that apartment building and so your move is to blow up the building ... you did it intentionally you dropped a bomb knowing that there were women and children in that building that is intentionally murdering innocent people"
This is like that riddle where the doctor can't operate on the kid because it's "my son", but how can that be - the father died in the car crash.
The truth is that women and younglings can also be bad (just ask Anakin).
edit: in case you guys didn't get it, this is disingenuous emotional manipulation from Smith; he doesn't believe only women and children can be innocents and could have just said a building full of innocent people, but he put that in there to turn your brain off. This is not honest, truthful debate either because there is a discussion to be had over whether or how innocent the broader population is (for instance Murray says 1/3 buildings have arms stockpiles or tunnels), but Smith has shut that down with emotional appeals. I'm not endorsing Murray's position, it's just to show that point of disagreement exists.
In a way Lindsey has become the mythical Woke Right he bemoans. What a fag.
Another Clint Russel video, about the (somehow still) continuing Joe Rogan/Dave Smith/Doug Murray drama.
An interesting tie-in, a connection that Clint was making, was this onslaught pushing for Experts™ (and for the exclusion of certain regime-unfriendly voices) at the same time that they're pushing for war with Iran that the powers that be seem to want.
Say what you want about Trump - and it would have been his fault if we had bombed Iran, to be fair - but I appreciate the restraint...and hope it holds. All it will take is for someone to make the right emotional or financial appeal, and I worry Trump will reverse course...but for now I very much appreciate him saying 'yeah, we're not doing that shit.'
The best most recent counter to the Experts paradigm is the huge number of licensed, credentialed, and experienced medical professionals and researchers who spoke out or attempted to speak out against the predominant global COVID-19 narrative but were ignored and silenced, sometimes forcefully with punishment, because The Experts Are Who We Say They Are - making it a meaningless qualification of credibility in general topics of discussion. I want an expert to diagnose my medical condition. I don't need an expert to tell me what government policy should be or if we need to go to war.
Yeah. Although there was a shit ton of evil going on, on the purely informational side, I think the Lockdown Era was a good thing. There's still a ton of people sleeping, but those who weren't already fully programmed all went 'wait, what the fuck?'
And that can only be good. Experts™ and the legacy media largely lost their power. Covid, Trump Term 1 (Russian asset, and all their other related lies) put them in the ground. They still have sway over many - too many - but they no longer have critical mass, and enough people think they're fucking jokes to thoroughly embarrass them, as they deserve.
I like how they're doing the same "muh experts" playbook that we saw coming from the left on things like COVID and "gender affirming care," just completely shameless.
My favorite part of all this is James Lindsay mocking people for calling Douglas Murray a neocon. One book, Jewish Made Neoconservatism: That Sort of Thing is My Bag, Baby - by Douglas Murray
Yeah. He objected to the term "neoconservatism," when he wrote a fucking book about it. When he was quite young (an Expert still?). Also, he keeps advocating for war...but has he even
been thereserved? He was young enough at the time; if he believed in war so strongly...sign up.I floated the idea right after the debate that it was some kind plan; Murray is clever and an effective communicator and I don't believe for a second he simply got steamrolled.
Watch the first two minutes. Murray immediately takes charge, accuses JRE of being one-sided, and defines the debate for at least the first two hours. He came there with a goal in mind.
But I doubt it has anything to do with an Iran war. I'm confident that a candidate from either party running on an anti-Israel or even anti-Jew platform would handily win 2028 in a 2016-esque upset. "You can't insult your way to the Presidency," says Jeb!, but people were so sick of this walking on eggshells they went with the totally unwinnable, totally crass candidate. The same type of unrest now, but over Israel and/or Jews.
This is what people like James Lindsey and Doug Murray have also noticed, and they so fear 'the rise of fascism' from their upbringing, that they're willing to throw themselves on the fire to prevent it. A fire among intellectuals that's been stoked by a Greater Israel that's panicking over the public sentiment they're seeing.
They have to control or contain these long-form debates and forums because if there is honest debate people are going to say fuck this 1% who are dual citizens that don't have allegiance or a care for the country - which especially the young online crowd are increasingly saying.
If Trump went anti-Israel, he’d lose all of his funding and win like 65% of the popular vote.
Israel is polling at like 20% approval with zoomers. Even overall Republican polling has dropped near 50% iirc. At this point they've lost the war. Their future is a very slow motion car crash. The only question is how much negativity they can mitigate, if any.
To be fair, its equally likely for him to reverse reverse course after a few bombs for the same reason.
He is quite unstable, and prone to grandiose gestures to force people to the negotiating table. Helpful at some times, but might come to bite us all in the ass when he looses a bomb that people won't be a bluff he is trying to call.
This is feeling like the Peter Hotez moment in the sense of the establishment going all in to bat for a dead duck retard. Globalists sure don't know how to pick their horses.
Murray wrote in support of the Iraq war and he plainly stated in 2022 that Ukraine was going to win against Russia (good thread on his history here). He's been free to comment on plenty of topics and countries in the past despite having NEVUH BEEEAN (gasp). If expertise has to be held to a standard, Murray should be ejected from the convo before the starter pistol fires. But of course, as everyone really knows, this is a facade to declare some debates and debaters illegitimate.
Murray was quick to run to the other biggest retard on the internet, Sam Harris, to have his wounds licked the other day. I couldn't make it any further than Harris calling his efforts on Rogan 'fantastic'. Intellectual honesty is absolutely worthless to these intellectuals.
The whole thing is just a bunch of over educated elitist arguing over who is the correct Authority to properly appeal to.