Inspired by this thread, and the inane argument that followed.
Antonio has even me posting this stuff now, that's how persuasive that style of argument is, as I've warned about repeatedly. I guess this Auschwitz survivor, Anne Frank's stepsister, is a Holocaust Denier too.
It's fun to learn new things. The funniest part was I legitimately had no idea of the significance of that portion of the image. Imagine my surprise.
So, yeah, don't just go believing random images on the internet; do your research, guys. It can lead to hilarious results.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not saying the Holocaust was fake, I threw in the "denialism" thing in in regards to the past argument, tongue in cheek. "Denialism" is a stupid accusation meant to shut down discussions. There are plenty of elements about the Holocaust that are fake and propaganda. She's not a Holocaust denier either; in fact she seems to say Auschwitz was worse than the liberation pictures show...but it's very odd that the pictures are fakes. Just wanted to clarify. A bunch of fake shit around the Holocaust though, but that doesn't mean none of it happened.
That's about where I am now. There's no question that the Nazis were responsible for more than their fair share of atrocities. But there's so much weird stuff surrounding the specifics that leads to questions about what's legit and what isn't. The fact that you're not allowed to ask these questions without being treated as pure evil just makes the narrative even more suspect.
Mix in the shocking evils of Weimar Germany that most histories conviniently leave out, and you have the perfect storm to convince people that the whole thing is one big conspiracy and scam.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was an actual tragedy that has been conspiratorially inflated and exaggerated for political leverage. Not a total lie, but definitely not the entire truth.
I remember in school being taught about inmates being masturbated to death by machines in the camps. The next year (they taught months of the Holocaust every single year) I asked about the masturbation machines and the teacher yelled at me and said no one ever said that.
Also, the roller coaster of death, the electric pool of water, the bear and eagle in a cage. Those were once taught as well. Then they just decided to act like they never were.
They used to say Natzis would put jews in these minecarts that would rush down a slope and throw them into the oven. Either that or spikes.
There was another one of a bear in the cage they would throw jews in. Some stories had an angry eagle added that would pluck out their eyes.
Another had them crowded together in a room slowly filling up with water that would be shocked when the water level was high enough- Batman villain style.
These are all tales they told to make those darn Natzis seem so evil and cruel. I remember the masturbation machines one told to me in class.
Now jews say they never told stories like that. It's bullshit.
Oh, but the six million of them in ovens, without one buried pile of ashes being found, that one is true. They mean it this time. For real. No kidding guys
Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was an actual tragedy that has been conspiratorially inflated and exaggerated for political leverage.
I am of similar belief. I'd even be willing to say whatever did happen was probably pretty horrific in the general sense, even if the Jews brought it entirely on themselves with their actions prior.
And it only takes living in the modern era for a few minutes to see how quickly they will turn anything into a gigantic psychodrama exaggerated to the heavens to try and guilt you into giving them power and money.
Regardless of that though, enough time has past that it should just be history and whatever happened should be left in history instead of a cudgel like they wield it as. Whatever your grandpa went through is meaningless to your current actions.
It has absolutely been exaggerated. The 6 million number was not from the camps, nor was it just jews. That number includes the deaths of civilians murdered across eastern europ, which included jews, gypsies and other groups. Murders that both soviets and germans participated in.
Every time i hear the mainstream narrative it's always 6mil jews specifically. Even if the narrator spent the rest of the video talking about everyone else. Always made me bit curious how historians determined whether someone was ukrainian or jewish. At best they'd call them ukrainian jewish and count them in among jewish deaths as if to pad the numbers in a competition.
It's all a telephone game of idiots tacking things on to make a bigger number and the details of what they included being tossed aside by two-bit sensationalist goblins for decades on repeat, until it gets so ludicrous that it actually gives the "this couldn't possibly have happened because it makes my guy look bad, but it should have because fuck joooooos" retards some valid points by sheer retarded exaggeration.
This is why all leftists must be gatekept from academia. They have no respect for language or fact, and their "little" edits to serve their purposes over time eventually erode all of history and discourse into retarded babble.
When you kill that many people, it seems odd to assume every single one was a jew when we already know the nazis killed communists, gypsies, dissenters, freedom fighters and etc.
Its more likely that they'd just classify you as a "jew" if you were one of those things, seized your property, sold it via the state (they were a socialist country - they were running out of money fast so jewish seizures was a big source of income) and sent you to the bulldozers to die in Poland.
in fact she seems to say Auschwitz was worse than the liberation pictures show...but it's very odd that the pictures are fakes
I think this is probably something like the "AOC staring at a parking lot crying" situation.
Someones trying to create an emotionally evocative image for manipulation sake, and, since reality is often pretty mundane and lackluster, they need to conjure up something that just immediately churns the guts and gets people emotionally invested. Even if the piece doing that is completely fabricated for that purpose.
That doesn't make it right or okay, but I can see a situation where both something happened and The Powers That Be immediately got to work constructing the narrative to their benefit and purpose even if that ceased to be anything more than "based on a true story" level. And they just kept building off that until the numbers and claims reached parodic levels.
That doesn't make it right or okay, but I can see a situation where both something happened and The Powers That Be immediately got to work constructing the narrative to their benefit
Yup, I think that's exactly it. And it's not even a reach, but people freak out regardless.
Honestly, an obvious true statement like "Propaganda is a real thing, and people can benefit by exaggerating and pushing an angle" is more plausible than the official story, exactly as written.
For sure, but it's very believable. Other photos have been faked (allegedly), and much of the concentration camps are reconstruction after the fact...something not often advertised.
It's really amazing. Not just on this topic, but across the board, Piers has had so much truth and/or incentive to question the status quo, shoved in his face for decades...and the motherfucker is still Piers Morgan. Pretty impressive, really.
Mrs. Schloss's take on antisemitism is rather nuanced ( starting around 5:35/5:36, acknowledging persecution of muslims and christians, and at least off-handedly implying that antisemitism is often over focused on, to the exclusion of other groups facing similar or greater levels of discrimination.
YouTube link, to Good Morning Britain.
Inspired by this thread, and the inane argument that followed.
Antonio has even me posting this stuff now, that's how persuasive that style of argument is, as I've warned about repeatedly. I guess this Auschwitz survivor, Anne Frank's stepsister, is a Holocaust Denier too.
It's fun to learn new things. The funniest part was I legitimately had no idea of the significance of that portion of the image. Imagine my surprise.
So, yeah, don't just go believing random images on the internet; do your research, guys. It can lead to hilarious results.
EDIT: Just to be clear, I'm not saying the Holocaust was fake, I threw in the "denialism" thing in in regards to the past argument, tongue in cheek. "Denialism" is a stupid accusation meant to shut down discussions. There are plenty of elements about the Holocaust that are fake and propaganda. She's not a Holocaust denier either; in fact she seems to say Auschwitz was worse than the liberation pictures show...but it's very odd that the pictures are fakes. Just wanted to clarify. A bunch of fake shit around the Holocaust though, but that doesn't mean none of it happened.
That's about where I am now. There's no question that the Nazis were responsible for more than their fair share of atrocities. But there's so much weird stuff surrounding the specifics that leads to questions about what's legit and what isn't. The fact that you're not allowed to ask these questions without being treated as pure evil just makes the narrative even more suspect.
Mix in the shocking evils of Weimar Germany that most histories conviniently leave out, and you have the perfect storm to convince people that the whole thing is one big conspiracy and scam.
Personally, I'm of the opinion that it was an actual tragedy that has been conspiratorially inflated and exaggerated for political leverage. Not a total lie, but definitely not the entire truth.
I remember in school being taught about inmates being masturbated to death by machines in the camps. The next year (they taught months of the Holocaust every single year) I asked about the masturbation machines and the teacher yelled at me and said no one ever said that.
Also, the roller coaster of death, the electric pool of water, the bear and eagle in a cage. Those were once taught as well. Then they just decided to act like they never were.
excuse me? The roller coaster of death? The bear and eagle in a cage? Where the hell did you go to school?
They used to say Natzis would put jews in these minecarts that would rush down a slope and throw them into the oven. Either that or spikes.
There was another one of a bear in the cage they would throw jews in. Some stories had an angry eagle added that would pluck out their eyes.
Another had them crowded together in a room slowly filling up with water that would be shocked when the water level was high enough- Batman villain style.
These are all tales they told to make those darn Natzis seem so evil and cruel. I remember the masturbation machines one told to me in class.
Now jews say they never told stories like that. It's bullshit.
Oh, but the six million of them in ovens, without one buried pile of ashes being found, that one is true. They mean it this time. For real. No kidding guys
I am of similar belief. I'd even be willing to say whatever did happen was probably pretty horrific in the general sense, even if the Jews brought it entirely on themselves with their actions prior.
And it only takes living in the modern era for a few minutes to see how quickly they will turn anything into a gigantic psychodrama exaggerated to the heavens to try and guilt you into giving them power and money.
Regardless of that though, enough time has past that it should just be history and whatever happened should be left in history instead of a cudgel like they wield it as. Whatever your grandpa went through is meaningless to your current actions.
It has absolutely been exaggerated. The 6 million number was not from the camps, nor was it just jews. That number includes the deaths of civilians murdered across eastern europ, which included jews, gypsies and other groups. Murders that both soviets and germans participated in.
I have a distinct memory of being taught the death toll was 4 million Jews and 2 million others at some point in school.
I remember 11 million in total, 6 mil of which were Jews.
I remember 12 mil total.
Every time i hear the mainstream narrative it's always 6mil jews specifically. Even if the narrator spent the rest of the video talking about everyone else. Always made me bit curious how historians determined whether someone was ukrainian or jewish. At best they'd call them ukrainian jewish and count them in among jewish deaths as if to pad the numbers in a competition.
It's all a telephone game of idiots tacking things on to make a bigger number and the details of what they included being tossed aside by two-bit sensationalist goblins for decades on repeat, until it gets so ludicrous that it actually gives the "this couldn't possibly have happened because it makes my guy look bad, but it should have because fuck joooooos" retards some valid points by sheer retarded exaggeration.
This is why all leftists must be gatekept from academia. They have no respect for language or fact, and their "little" edits to serve their purposes over time eventually erode all of history and discourse into retarded babble.
When you kill that many people, it seems odd to assume every single one was a jew when we already know the nazis killed communists, gypsies, dissenters, freedom fighters and etc.
Its more likely that they'd just classify you as a "jew" if you were one of those things, seized your property, sold it via the state (they were a socialist country - they were running out of money fast so jewish seizures was a big source of income) and sent you to the bulldozers to die in Poland.
I think this is probably something like the "AOC staring at a parking lot crying" situation.
Someones trying to create an emotionally evocative image for manipulation sake, and, since reality is often pretty mundane and lackluster, they need to conjure up something that just immediately churns the guts and gets people emotionally invested. Even if the piece doing that is completely fabricated for that purpose.
That doesn't make it right or okay, but I can see a situation where both something happened and The Powers That Be immediately got to work constructing the narrative to their benefit and purpose even if that ceased to be anything more than "based on a true story" level. And they just kept building off that until the numbers and claims reached parodic levels.
Yup, I think that's exactly it. And it's not even a reach, but people freak out regardless.
Honestly, an obvious true statement like "Propaganda is a real thing, and people can benefit by exaggerating and pushing an angle" is more plausible than the official story, exactly as written.
Never let a tragedy, even/especially one that you may or may not have manufactured, go to waste.
On one hand, not sure i want to believe someone on a tv show from yookay. On the other, i can imagine red army doing something like that.
For sure, but it's very believable. Other photos have been faked (allegedly), and much of the concentration camps are reconstruction after the fact...something not often advertised.
Thank GOD this video was cut off before the UK BBC narrative control man interjected.
It's really amazing. Not just on this topic, but across the board, Piers has had so much truth and/or incentive to question the status quo, shoved in his face for decades...and the motherfucker is still Piers Morgan. Pretty impressive, really.
after a bit of digging, i drilled down to a much longer clip of the segment in question.
Mrs. Schloss's take on antisemitism is rather nuanced ( starting around 5:35/5:36, acknowledging persecution of muslims and christians, and at least off-handedly implying that antisemitism is often over focused on, to the exclusion of other groups facing similar or greater levels of discrimination.
Good work...although you could have just looked at the first sentence of my post. All good.
just trying to find some context to the clip in question.
The outlandish stories they keep making up ("rollercoasters launching people into ovens" and such) is nothing short of blood libel.