Well yeah, you claimed that the label is about 'mistrusting zionism', but then you could not explain the images that clearly show that it's not.
Why?
Again?
Except 'climate denialism' is shorthand for manmade climate change,
Don't go about defending that trash to make a half-baked point. It's not a shorthand, it's a smear. Just like equating modern 'manmade climate change' with 'climate change', as if there is anyone who doesn't believe the climate has ever changed.
I'm literally just explaining the pictures in the OP, that you say "no one should believe."
"Not at all. Let's propose arguendo that this is 'generally true'. I would not eat something that was tainted by sewage, nor would I post something even if it were 'generally true' - except to criticize or by pointing out that this is the case. Do you see this ilk doing that?
Not only that, there is an overarching message which you yourself admit confuses you [because you stated it was about 'Zionism' while not being to explain images that obviously have nothing to do with it]....
I'm saying no one should. Are you seriously going to believe CNN because what they say is 'generally true', even though they actively try to deceive you?"`
Also, pointing out that the sewer Jews thing was weird as fuck is an attack on American Jews?
Didn't say it was an "attack" on American Jews. But this was supposed to be about being 'suspicious of zionism'. How does the absurd behavior of some American Jews fit into that? Not exactly obvious to me. Apparently it might not be to you either. You were easily able to prove it with Abbott.
we literally have laws that say criticizing Israel is antisemitic
Not true. If you're going to be a stickler for precision, then be so consistently, not only when it suits you. The laws are stupid enough that you don't have to exaggerate.
And stuff like the American Zionist Council rebranding into the American Israel Public Affairs Committee would be a good example, but there are tons. A bunch of explicitly Zionist organizations love to conflate themselves with Jews as a whole.
Yes, like I said, try to muddy the waters.
I asked you to explain your position, which you basically still haven't.
I just had to repeat it because you apparently missed it.
Again, absolutely what? What's your argument here? Zionism can't exist in London? In America? I don't even get it.
It's not immediately obvious to me what an Auschwitz survivor in London has to do with 'Zionism'. I've been assured that this image is about Zionism. So I'm not clear on why she is being featured there.
No, I think the picture of him receiving the Friends of Zion Award probably has something to do with Zionism.
Yeah, you did. And it did. When it actually does have something to do with Zionism, you can immediately point to what it is.
Because they're retarded, easily led, and or evil. And I condemn that, just as I condemn loyalty to Israel.
I know you do. But wait, so you're content with facile (though not wrong) explanations for that, but when it comes to Israel, you're wondering about why?
But that's the point. You're acting like there being an explanation means it's not worth talking about.
Who told you not to talk about it? Talk about it all you want. I see little BUT talking about that... on a Gamergate forum.
Again...I am? I didn't realize I was baffled, but I'm starting to become so...
As am I.
I still don't believe is bad arguments
We all believe our own arguments are megastrong, and other people's arguments, at least when they disagree with us, are very bad. In fact, I believe the term 'intelligent' means 'someone who agrees with me'.
and attempts to shutdown discussions.
This wasn't a discussion, and laughing at people for believing an image isn't shutting one down anyway. There's a very good reason Nazis don't engage in discussion.
Anyway, this is beyond pointless. I don't even understand how you can possibly believe what you do, as you apparently don't for me.
Well yeah, you claimed that the label is about 'mistrusting zionism', but then you could not explain the images that clearly show that it's not.
I said I didn't know the context. I looked it up. The Holocaust survivor interview is her saying the liberation pictures are fakes. Is she a Holocaust Denier too? Anne Frank's stepsister? Auschwitz survivor?
So, you're definitely right, it's important to look into things. We're all learning new stuff, grand! Right? Isn't that interesting?
It's not a shorthand, it's a smear.
Agreed. "Denialism" is a smear.
Didn't say it was an "attack" on American Jews.
You, earlier:
Huh, pretty sure there was some holocaust denial in there. And attacks on American Jews.
When asked for an example, you gave the sewer Jews, and are now saying you didn't say it was an attack.
Not true.
No, "we literally have laws that say criticizing Israel is antisemitic" is a true statement. Or, if you want to quibble over "law," at the very least "official government stance." And, yeah, you could argue not all criticism, but if you read through the list, it's most of it, and there are absurd tests to determine if your criticism of Israel is antisemitic or not.
It's not immediately obvious to me what an Auschwitz survivor in London has to do with 'Zionism'. I've been assured that this image is about Zionism. So I'm not clear on why she is being featured there.
Explained. She says the liberation photos are fake.
And I still don't know what location has to do with Zionism. There is Zionism in London, there is Zionism is America.
This wasn't a discussion, and laughing at people for believing an image isn't shutting one down anyway.
"Don't believe the image!"
I don't even understand how you can possibly believe what you do, as you apparently don't for me.
There you go again. What, exactly, do I believe? And why shouldn't I?
Why do you care if holocaust was real or not or if someone said it was a lie but wishes it wasn't true or if someone wants to repeat this historical fact? I thought you weren't a jew in your own words.
Well yeah, you claimed that the label is about 'mistrusting zionism', but then you could not explain the images that clearly show that it's not.
Again?
Don't go about defending that trash to make a half-baked point. It's not a shorthand, it's a smear. Just like equating modern 'manmade climate change' with 'climate change', as if there is anyone who doesn't believe the climate has ever changed.
"Not at all. Let's propose arguendo that this is 'generally true'. I would not eat something that was tainted by sewage, nor would I post something even if it were 'generally true' - except to criticize or by pointing out that this is the case. Do you see this ilk doing that?
Not only that, there is an overarching message which you yourself admit confuses you [because you stated it was about 'Zionism' while not being to explain images that obviously have nothing to do with it]....
I'm saying no one should. Are you seriously going to believe CNN because what they say is 'generally true', even though they actively try to deceive you?"`
Didn't say it was an "attack" on American Jews. But this was supposed to be about being 'suspicious of zionism'. How does the absurd behavior of some American Jews fit into that? Not exactly obvious to me. Apparently it might not be to you either. You were easily able to prove it with Abbott.
Not true. If you're going to be a stickler for precision, then be so consistently, not only when it suits you. The laws are stupid enough that you don't have to exaggerate.
Yes, like I said, try to muddy the waters.
I just had to repeat it because you apparently missed it.
It's not immediately obvious to me what an Auschwitz survivor in London has to do with 'Zionism'. I've been assured that this image is about Zionism. So I'm not clear on why she is being featured there.
Yeah, you did. And it did. When it actually does have something to do with Zionism, you can immediately point to what it is.
I know you do. But wait, so you're content with facile (though not wrong) explanations for that, but when it comes to Israel, you're wondering about why?
Who told you not to talk about it? Talk about it all you want. I see little BUT talking about that... on a Gamergate forum.
As am I.
We all believe our own arguments are megastrong, and other people's arguments, at least when they disagree with us, are very bad. In fact, I believe the term 'intelligent' means 'someone who agrees with me'.
This wasn't a discussion, and laughing at people for believing an image isn't shutting one down anyway. There's a very good reason Nazis don't engage in discussion.
Anyway, this is beyond pointless. I don't even understand how you can possibly believe what you do, as you apparently don't for me.
I said I didn't know the context. I looked it up. The Holocaust survivor interview is her saying the liberation pictures are fakes. Is she a Holocaust Denier too? Anne Frank's stepsister? Auschwitz survivor?
So, you're definitely right, it's important to look into things. We're all learning new stuff, grand! Right? Isn't that interesting?
Agreed. "Denialism" is a smear.
You, earlier:
When asked for an example, you gave the sewer Jews, and are now saying you didn't say it was an attack.
No, "we literally have laws that say criticizing Israel is antisemitic" is a true statement. Or, if you want to quibble over "law," at the very least "official government stance." And, yeah, you could argue not all criticism, but if you read through the list, it's most of it, and there are absurd tests to determine if your criticism of Israel is antisemitic or not.
Explained. She says the liberation photos are fake.
And I still don't know what location has to do with Zionism. There is Zionism in London, there is Zionism is America.
"Don't believe the image!"
There you go again. What, exactly, do I believe? And why shouldn't I?
Why do you care if holocaust was real or not or if someone said it was a lie but wishes it wasn't true or if someone wants to repeat this historical fact? I thought you weren't a jew in your own words.