Yea, "Obsessed" is the important qualifier in what she said and she's 100% correct. Way WAY too many people from Gen X on have just stopped growing once they got too deep into modern entertainment. Men were pushed violently out of their traditional social/work roles, and far too many have taken it as a chance to behave as though they have no responsibility or accountability. I've spent the last decade+ trying to actually keep growing past that childish phase, and like any significant shift in life it's sure not easy, especially with the intense vitriol from the public sphere, but if you can't be assed to even try to actually be a real man (and not what media tells you a man is supposed to be), don't expect women to want you.
Your mistake here is using a genuine, honest definition of obsessed.
I can guarantee you that, "the religious hippie" (lol) definitely is not. What she really means is how dare he have a thing he pays attention to that isn't orbiting me.
The women in this hypothetical aren't actually looking for a husband. They don't want a partner or a lifelong friend or someone to love and cherish. They're looking for a settle. They think they're doing you a favor and their attitude matches that.
Most women are insane, frankly. Lacking direction they flail around unhappily, since society encourages their worst traits and the enemy has defanged the church that would have stood as a good influence.
Its the female version of strength testing. It's why "holding frame" in the red pill community. Women will do the EXACT same thing with two different intents and use various responses to make different conclusions.
To be clearer. "I want to do this" sometimes means "I want to do this" and sometimes it means "I think you dont want to do this, and want you to not let me"
Determining which is happening OR creating a response that satisfies both is the key.
One of her questions is looking to get her needs met, the other is looking to test if you're capable of meeting her needs under duress. In this case, she introduces the duress to make the test.
This is all of course retarded. But what did you expect.
For women, it’s the guy who’s good for you vs. the guy you really want. Before I got married, I had been both situations and the treatment difference is stark. Either way, they are extracting from you.
So your claim here then is that the term "man children" is an earnest, honest one? And not one that has been used to attack anyone with hobbies for the last two decades?
Words aren't an entity of their own dude. You actually have to pay attention to the message if you want to understand how a person is using a word.
The way this person is using those words? Absolutely it's an earnest and honest assessment of the abysmal state which many modern men have learned to accept as normal for their lives.
I'm the same. In my case it was even worse, it took the left ruining my hobbies to realize I had to grow up and not get so obsessed with hobbies. I'm strangely thankful for that.
Bingo. Destroying all the pop culture is a huge boon. I don't watch goyball, comics, cartoons, most movies, etc because of all this. In lieu of that I raise my kids.
She's not necessarily correct, even with the qualifier of being "obsessed".
You're absolutely right about men being pushed out of many of their hobbies and pastimes, and have had to find solace in striking up new... obsessions.
However, being obsessed with these hobbies is not a downside so long as the man is productive and active.
Some of my hobbies do require an obsession or an inordinate amount of time, such as practicing music -- I have had to invest sometimes between two and six hours in a day practicing, building up muscle memory for certain songs or techniques. The obsession is necessary to get good. I also have other hobbies, which can also take up a significant amount of time.
The thing is, are any of those worth sacrificing at this stage in life (too old to start and raise a family) for someone else? Absolutely not. Most men I know in most communities I'm a part of recognise that they inherently get zero value out of giving up the obsession of their hobbies for a woman.
What will she do instead? What time you impart on her benefits you more than improving a skillset, knowledge base, or technique in the hobbies that you find engaging? What will she provide you with that's better for you than the things you actually enjoy? And is it worth the downsides, baggage, and traumas she will bring into your life? (and make no mistake, everyone has baggage, especially the older they get)
If a guy spends 10 hours in a day architecting complex Lego structures, I don't see how that is worse than splitting that time between reorienting your schedule around someone else and spending several of those hours listening to pointless drivel or gossip or sitting on a porch. At least the Legos will give you better insight into structural philosophies, design principles and creative construction.
In short, one keeps the noggin' joggin', the other (usually) does not.
being obsessed with these hobbies is not a downside so long as the man is productive and active
To me, this sounds very much like the arguments made for many LGBTQ issues. Sure, if people can do those things while also being good, upstanding citizens, then there's no problem. Yet a cursory glance at the real world tells you immediately that certain groups are very rarely good, upstanding members of society.
If you can do it, that's great for you. But way WAY too many people think they're the one responsible meth smoker.
The difference is that a man being obsessed with his hobbies can lead to creative, intuitive, and innovative ways of how we look at, expand, and evolve culture. A perfect example of this is Wintergatan....
Combining an obsession of intuitive engineering with classical musical design principles, based on the works of other hobby-obsessed historical figures:
https://youtu.be/k8NXF2rtaEg
The LGBTQ crowd has nothing to offer culture; nothing enriching; nothing uplifting. It's a power-slide down a hill toward reprobate activities with no redeeming factors.
Now it's true -- and you are correct -- there are some hobbies that consume people with no positive outcomes. Indulgence for the sake of indulgence. At which point, the man loses himself in his obsession for nothing.
The bigger question is if his self-destructive obsession with hobbies would be any worse for him than gambling on trying to "better" himself for marriage where the dice-roll is a 50/50 chance of it ending in divorce and a 12% chance it brings him enough ruin to commit suicide?
Yea, "Obsessed" is the important qualifier in what she said and she's 100% correct. Way WAY too many people from Gen X on have just stopped growing once they got too deep into modern entertainment. Men were pushed violently out of their traditional social/work roles, and far too many have taken it as a chance to behave as though they have no responsibility or accountability. I've spent the last decade+ trying to actually keep growing past that childish phase, and like any significant shift in life it's sure not easy, especially with the intense vitriol from the public sphere, but if you can't be assed to even try to actually be a real man (and not what media tells you a man is supposed to be), don't expect women to want you.
Your mistake here is using a genuine, honest definition of obsessed.
I can guarantee you that, "the religious hippie" (lol) definitely is not. What she really means is how dare he have a thing he pays attention to that isn't orbiting me.
The women in this hypothetical aren't actually looking for a husband. They don't want a partner or a lifelong friend or someone to love and cherish. They're looking for a settle. They think they're doing you a favor and their attitude matches that.
This.
She wouldn't say shit if her mouth was full of it if a man that gives her the tingles loves Funko Pops.
And if a man she were attracted too just happened to enjoy attending pre-school story time himself, she wouldn't find that weird either.
The point she's making is that, overwhelmingly, the real men in the real world who collect Funko Pops do NOT give her the tingles.
Why do they demand, bully and henpeck for beta behavior in men - when it immediately turns them off and then a tryst with an Alpha "just happens" ?
Most women are insane, frankly. Lacking direction they flail around unhappily, since society encourages their worst traits and the enemy has defanged the church that would have stood as a good influence.
Its the female version of strength testing. It's why "holding frame" in the red pill community. Women will do the EXACT same thing with two different intents and use various responses to make different conclusions.
To be clearer. "I want to do this" sometimes means "I want to do this" and sometimes it means "I think you dont want to do this, and want you to not let me"
Determining which is happening OR creating a response that satisfies both is the key.
One of her questions is looking to get her needs met, the other is looking to test if you're capable of meeting her needs under duress. In this case, she introduces the duress to make the test.
This is all of course retarded. But what did you expect.
And they wonder why we're less interested in marriage then ever.
For women, it’s the guy who’s good for you vs. the guy you really want. Before I got married, I had been both situations and the treatment difference is stark. Either way, they are extracting from you.
You're a fucking idiot.
So your claim here then is that the term "man children" is an earnest, honest one? And not one that has been used to attack anyone with hobbies for the last two decades?
I've met manchildren but it has definitely just become a way to attack men
Words aren't an entity of their own dude. You actually have to pay attention to the message if you want to understand how a person is using a word.
The way this person is using those words? Absolutely it's an earnest and honest assessment of the abysmal state which many modern men have learned to accept as normal for their lives.
Hope she fucks you bro.
Not my monkeys; not my circus. Accountability is only a White male trait. No woman or minority has any of this.
I'm the same. In my case it was even worse, it took the left ruining my hobbies to realize I had to grow up and not get so obsessed with hobbies. I'm strangely thankful for that.
Bingo. Destroying all the pop culture is a huge boon. I don't watch goyball, comics, cartoons, most movies, etc because of all this. In lieu of that I raise my kids.
She's not necessarily correct, even with the qualifier of being "obsessed".
You're absolutely right about men being pushed out of many of their hobbies and pastimes, and have had to find solace in striking up new... obsessions.
However, being obsessed with these hobbies is not a downside so long as the man is productive and active.
Some of my hobbies do require an obsession or an inordinate amount of time, such as practicing music -- I have had to invest sometimes between two and six hours in a day practicing, building up muscle memory for certain songs or techniques. The obsession is necessary to get good. I also have other hobbies, which can also take up a significant amount of time.
The thing is, are any of those worth sacrificing at this stage in life (too old to start and raise a family) for someone else? Absolutely not. Most men I know in most communities I'm a part of recognise that they inherently get zero value out of giving up the obsession of their hobbies for a woman.
What will she do instead? What time you impart on her benefits you more than improving a skillset, knowledge base, or technique in the hobbies that you find engaging? What will she provide you with that's better for you than the things you actually enjoy? And is it worth the downsides, baggage, and traumas she will bring into your life? (and make no mistake, everyone has baggage, especially the older they get)
If a guy spends 10 hours in a day architecting complex Lego structures, I don't see how that is worse than splitting that time between reorienting your schedule around someone else and spending several of those hours listening to pointless drivel or gossip or sitting on a porch. At least the Legos will give you better insight into structural philosophies, design principles and creative construction.
In short, one keeps the noggin' joggin', the other (usually) does not.
To me, this sounds very much like the arguments made for many LGBTQ issues. Sure, if people can do those things while also being good, upstanding citizens, then there's no problem. Yet a cursory glance at the real world tells you immediately that certain groups are very rarely good, upstanding members of society.
If you can do it, that's great for you. But way WAY too many people think they're the one responsible meth smoker.
The difference is that a man being obsessed with his hobbies can lead to creative, intuitive, and innovative ways of how we look at, expand, and evolve culture. A perfect example of this is Wintergatan....
Combining an obsession of intuitive engineering with classical musical design principles, based on the works of other hobby-obsessed historical figures: https://youtu.be/k8NXF2rtaEg
What you end up with is something awe-inspiring and culturally enriching: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q
The LGBTQ crowd has nothing to offer culture; nothing enriching; nothing uplifting. It's a power-slide down a hill toward reprobate activities with no redeeming factors.
Now it's true -- and you are correct -- there are some hobbies that consume people with no positive outcomes. Indulgence for the sake of indulgence. At which point, the man loses himself in his obsession for nothing.
The bigger question is if his self-destructive obsession with hobbies would be any worse for him than gambling on trying to "better" himself for marriage where the dice-roll is a 50/50 chance of it ending in divorce and a 12% chance it brings him enough ruin to commit suicide?