Did The Juggalo Movement Give Rise To The Modern Trender Pandemic?
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No, I'd say the same for the goths, emos, punks even the furries.
What caused the trans shit to get worse is the over medication of the West especially of it's kids, suggesting EVERYTHING must be solved with a medical 'solution' than effort like exercise.
The transtrenders are an offshoot of the attention and financial incentive to push it as we know from USAID alone how MUCH money was behind pushing trans shit.
you mentioned gamers and nerds, so i'm gonna pull on that thread a little bit. Gamers were one of the first groups that mounted any kind of significant resistance to woke influence. Obviously Metalgate was a thing more recently, and I suspect there are other examples I'm not aware of.
I wonder if there's any commonality to the groups that mount a concerted pushback to the leftist subversion of their interests/hobbies?
My gut reaction without thinking on it too hard is to just say "maleness". Gaming engages the autism brain, which is basically just an extreme version of many male proclivities. It also contains an innate component of competition, whether that be PvP or PvE. Then add a dash of disagreeableness, whether it be the console wars or talking smack during a match. These are all innately male behaviors. How many other of these subcultures are as strongly aligned with the male psyche?
could be. it may not even be a single universal element. it could be something in the particular hobby/interest that finds communist dogma irritable, one that isn't necessarily the same in each sub group.
easy joke is autism, but i suspect it's something more intrinsic to the hobby/interest in question, perhaps something vital to the interest that is wholly incompatible with marxist dogma.
it wouldn't have to be the same specific element necessarily, just anything that's rubbed the wrong way by the communist worldview within any of the resistant groups. gaming for instance is aggressively meritocratic, to the point that games guides will often go into excruciatingly minute details on the stats of this or that specific item or choice.
speaking of stats, maybe we're looking too narrowly, sports is a more mainstream hobby that's also very meritocratic, meticulous in its study of statistics, and has also pushed back (and hard) on communist indoctrination. granted, the major institutions embraced it wholeheartedly, but the fans have been anything but welcoming of the intrusion.
Heavy metal, while a semi-niche genre today, was pretty mainstream at one point. i couldn't pin down a specific element that would rub metalheads the wrong way about communism, but i don't think it's statistics. certainly, if you can't play worth a damn, they aint interested, though.
oh dude, you're talking to someone who still can't filter loud noises, because his mother bottlefed him hair metal in the eighties. (I think Queen is probably my favorite band, but then I also swear they invented heavy metal, got bored, and made something else,lol. they were probably one of the most experimental rock bands of all time). I definitely liked ripper owens on The glorious burden, though i don't know if I'd call him my favorite per say...
Gamers want to have fun games to play, games they can immerse themselves in that play to their fantasies, like being a beast of a man with rippling muscles who dominates the outside world and ends up with the big tittied goth girl in the end or whatever sexy woman. Inserting leftist ideals into games, like gender fluidity and girl power destroys those fantasies, so of course they’d be one of the first groups to push back.
Science fiction/fantasy (then just "adventure" or "fantasy") tried in the late 30s/early 40s, failed, and brought about the rise of the "big man with screwdriver" 40s-60s SF. There was a rise in "counterculture" SF that led to a young film maker named Lucas making a film in 1977, using a late "golden age" SF writer as his template. This led to the late 80s/early 90s SF pushback that lead to Baen books and the rise of the "military" SF genre. That led to the most recent pushback, where the Sad Puppies/Rabid Puppies have wrested some of the space back.
you mean you dont like the trite, "experimental" distopian science fiction of the late 70s where everybody always dies at the end? lmao.
eye twitch No, no I do not. And I'm glad that Gygax, before he died, compiled a list of all the 20s/30s SF/F he read to make 1st edition D&D.
lmao. fair.
honestly, i saw one of those weird 70s/80s sci-fi that was actually really interesting...riiiight up until it turned creepy... i forget the title, but it was something to do with hyper-intelligent ants, and it just went full pedowood at the end...
This, but can't understate the Internet's impact here. 5-10 weirdos of each specific subculture at a larger school might form tight cliques, but they still have to deal with surviving in that environment. Add social media and the 10 weirdos from every school can create a nationwide clique of 100k weirdos, be loud, create the illusion of being an even more sizeable group, and start forcing an agenda.
I missed that specific line item in the absolute deluge of misused funds from USAID. Just how much were they pouring into that specific propaganda effort?
They were pushing transgender internationally even in places like Uganda and let's not forget all the shit the Taliban burned when they took control of Afghanistan.
We know that it was algorithmically pushed by media including porn sites too so USAID probably did have a line funding it domestically too.
Bwahahahaha as if it were one thing and not hundreds of things all over the planet
It's next to the line items sending your money to israel
Plus the eradication of bullies didn’t help. They were a critical sociatal counterweight to faggotry that morphed into troonery
Also, the celebrated victimhood culture in the West is a contributing factor. It also makes white children want to be black, native American or some other problem group that gets constant media attention about how they're just so goddamn victimized.
I used to enjoy being around the Juggalo crowd when I was younger and it was mostly about being a bunch of misfits finding camaraderie in enjoying really bad rap together. Nowadays it's just Burning Man with facepaint. I'm not surprised to hear it's degraded further like this.
That’s just what happens when spaces lose their masculinity and/or become overly feminized. Look at for convention scene. It was never a bastion of traditional masculinity, but it used to be almost entirely a male space. Then women realized they could gain validation, attention, and resources from thirsty losers, and now conventions are wildly overpriced recruiting grounds used by onlyfans prostitutes. That’s just what happens when spaces become female.
You're not lying, there.
I blame homestuck more
That and the Tumblr environment in which it rose to prominence. That whole ecosystem is the primordial breeding ground for these internet based ailments.
I used to think of tumblr as containment, but now I know it was more like an incubator. The rest of the world was not sufficiently inoculated against the manipulative narcissism of LGBTQ subversion, so all of social media was quickly infiltrated and overwhelmed after tumblr shut down.
Tumblr is literally where words like "Woke" were used as unironic terms before getting repurposed and was the breeding ground for Intersectionality, which is what Woke is currently used to describe.
They were evolving before Homestuck but Homestuck definitely attracted lots of proto-troons and vulnerable folks and gave the elder troons a community to infect.
i went to ax in 2014 and they were everywhere. an entire hallway of gray people.
I still don't understand how what happened with Homestuck, happened with Homestuck.
I remember reading the guy's stuff with... whatever the hell that thing was that preceded Homestuck. It was silly nonsense with silly animations, and the idea was it was made-up as it went along from community input (but obviously that stopped at some point).
Homestuck was another take on the concept but something about like, real-life being actually 'The Sims' or something?
And that... turned into fat trannies?
“Trender” is short for “transtrender,” a term used to identify people that claim to be transgender without suffering from bodily dysphoria. It used to be much more popular around a decade ago, back when more people were willing to defend “genuine cases,” and simply hoped to call out what they perceived as the bad apples doing it for social clout—hence, “trenders.”To get somewhat editorial, when I see someone use it now, it comes off as naïve. The “genuine cases” are a vanishingly small percentage, the narcissists, predators, and/or social-contagioned autists are the overwhelming majority, and most importantly, none of them should be defended or humored or indulged. They’re all nuts, just in varying ways that may matter for treatment, but not for whether we should accept their delusions.
The "truscum" at least seemed to be aware of their mental affliction and putting steps into treating it, even if it was getting enabled by the medical/psychology industry. Some of them might even have gotten helped and escaped.
I could almost feel bad for them in a way, if things hadn't spiraled so badly from those days.
What’s a juggalo?
No wonder I didn’t know. Thanks, fren.
It's definitely regional, we didn't have any groups like this locally and I don't know anyone that admitted to liking ICP...
Well fuck if I know.
(If I have to hear that in my head some of you others do, too).
Another word for transgender.
Synonyms include: Troon and tranny.
not exactly. it's more of a differentiation between people who have the actual mental disorder and those who pretend for the attention. they're following the trend of transgenderism, so transtrender.
In the earlier days of the tranny movement taking off, they were absolutely not synonymous and were in fact in a civil war similar to the current LibFem vs TERF one.
Trenders wanted trannyism to just be a personality quirk they could use for attention and AGP, similar to "self diagnosed" mental afflictions where as "truscum" (as they were called) believed it was a medical condition (gender dysphoria).
The trenders won, got gender dysphoria discarded as a thing entirely, and then pretended it was always a singular solidified movement.
Juggalos were one of the most visible and large white "gangs" in America, that had considerable amount of "wrongthink" subgroups (White Nationalist, antisemitic, etc) allowed to exist within them and were extremely focused on constantly by the media regularly for hitpieces.
What I'm getting at is they were absolutely infiltrated by the Feds, and those feds are likely the reason why even the Juggalos became so gay, so extra "wrongthink" and all the other differences between it now and historically.
I've known a few Juggalos in my life from back in the day, and as cringe as they were they would have beaten everyone in the photo to death for being a faggot. They were the epitome of white trash violence in a person, and everyone pictured here is straight out of a Leftist hippy festival.
The likenesses are uncanny.
I think there could he something here if only because the Juggalos really represent the broken part of White America.
We know how the rot affects inner cities with spiraling competence, broken families, and an overall downward trend generation over generation. This is just that same phenomenon in white communities.
We had all these subcultures when I was in high school in the 1980s, the differences today are:
Childhood vaccine schedule: Born in 1971, I had polio (oral), measles, mumps, and tetanus by the time I was in high school, and didn't get any new ones other than periodic tetanus boosters. Children in HS today have a vaccine schedule that is HUGE, something like 47 different shots. The effects of this greatly expanded shot schedule have not been formally studied, but all sorts of learning difficulties have become much more prevalent so something is going on.
Culture: When I was in HS no fault discipline wasn't a thing, and school fights were not automatic suspensions for both parties.
Technology: NO INTERNET, NO CELL PHONES, NO TABLETS - I didn't have any of the tech we take for granted now.
I can't begin to tell you how much always available everywhere internet and social media has affected social dynamics. This, too, is just now starting to be studied, and needs a lot more study to document the effects. All I know is no kid of mine is getting a smart phone, and will only be able to access the internet in a public space, no wireless enabled laptop in his room.
Never being able to get away from bullies thanks to 24/7 device access is a big problem for kids, on top of other things.
But surely, interacting with a hive of self-entitled adolescent trenders on the internet will do wonders for his confidence. ;)
While a laudable goal and all, know that your child will be mocked and ostracized for not having access to the same things as others and talking about being in high school 40 years ago and what you'll do if you have kids, my man you line ends with you if it hasn't continued on by now. And even if you do, the chance of you being gone by the time they've graduated high school is a non-trivial one.
My kid will never set foot in a public school.
Your kid is not likely to exist, ever.
The juggalos i know are skanky, scabby druggies that say stuff like "politics is gay". Got no issue with them (except occasional smell)