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[Nerfnow!!] Classic Fantasy vs Modern Fantasy (www.nerfnow.com)
posted 8 months ago by Vivs3rdSock 8 months ago by Vivs3rdSock +97 / -0
Modern vs Classic
At this point, I yearn for evil orcs and goody elves instead of the perpetual subversion of expectations we have right now.
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– Vivs3rdSock [S] 33 points 8 months ago +33 / -0

Aka, Dungeons and Dragons and all things now woke.

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– AgnosticTemplar 15 points 8 months ago +16 / -1

Even a lot of anime is depicting demons and just another fantasy race whom are being persecuted by humans, mainly because of jealousy that they live longer and are innately better with magic. You know, just making them eleves.

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– horstshort 16 points 8 months ago +16 / -0

Praise "Sōsō no 'Demons need to be fucking exterminated!' Frieren".

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– The_Shadow_of_Intent 10 points 8 months ago +10 / -0

Hail Frieren the Slayer

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– LauriThorne 10 points 8 months ago +11 / -1

In anime it would depend on what kind of demons they're referring to. In Shinto Yokai can be good, bad or indifferent and that word gets translated to demon in English pretty much all the time. So if they're basing the demon race on that concept then there can be nuance.

It gets really muddled when they also use the Catholic version of demons for the aesthetic like in Blue Exorcist, but use Shinto logic for their behavior.

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– AgnosticTemplar 3 points 8 months ago +3 / -0

If the setting is unmistakably Japanese then yeah, but if there's a bunch of Tolkeinian fantasy races running around and the dragons are western in style, I'm going to assume they intended on a western version of demon. Like in 'jobless reincarnation' (don't feel like looking up what the japanese title is), everything about the world is western, and the one Japanese girl who got portaled in sticks out like a sore thumb, but there's a whole continent of 'demons' that are indistinguishable anime characters... or furries.

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– LauriThorne 2 points 8 months ago +2 / -0

That's what I said in the last half, a lot of the time they use classic demon aesthetic, but use the Shinto logic for their behavior, regardless of setting.

Those shows are set outside of Japan, but, in most of them, everyone acts like they're Japanese anyway.

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– Hellsbells00 1 point 8 months ago +4 / -3

They (like most artists) tend to copy aesthetic without deeper meaning, and it flies right past people that deify art.

Evangelion is often praised by midwits for it's religious imagery that the original creators admitted was only done "because it looks cool".

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... continue reading thread?
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– ernsithe 2 points 8 months ago +2 / -0

Which is the religion with the big titty demon girlfriend who loves you?

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– LauriThorne 2 points 8 months ago +2 / -0

Probably some Shinto sect

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– yeldarb1983 1 point 8 months ago +1 / -0

even in western stuff, I'd say there's nuance. If there's a story, for instance, that uses the trope of the "misunderstood demons" to push DEI bullshit, yeah, i'd say steer clear. (99% percent of the time, that's what's going on today)

But if it's just somebody trying to tell an interesting story, then it might be okay.

Generally speaking, it depends on the thrust of the story in question; is this person trying to push an agenda, or are they trying to tell an interesting (if controversial) story?

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– DefinitelyNotIGN 6 points 8 months ago +6 / -0

If they're going to go the "Demons are actually kinda-sorta-okay-ish" route, there's also an anime meme of "miasma", that while demons COULD be reasonable, friendly, peaceful, whatever, their very existence is toxic to humans and human-friendly nature. Just breathing, as a demon in the human lands, will poison crops, give bunny rabbits cancer, and encourage the spread of the plague.

It allows for "noble demon" archetypes and friendly demons, while still maintaining a solid "us or them, literal existential threat" element to the demonic hordes, and a solid reason to not want them moving in next door.

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– Vivs3rdSock [S] 6 points 8 months ago +6 / -0

The "good exception from a bad race" is probably one of the most overused tropes in any story. Drizzt is one of the most famous examples in D&D and not only spawned various other "actually I'm a good Drow" OCs, but then similar exceptions in other inherently and historically evil races.

Once or twice and written well it's fine, but neither of those conditions are met now.

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– when_we_win_remember 2 points 8 months ago +2 / -0

Castlevania was so based on this.

"Your God's love is not unconditional. He doesn't love us, and he doesn't love you."

See, is that the truth, or is that a demon's lie? Clearly God is kinda pissed, cuz he let the demons loose. Maybe hard to tell.

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– Filo76 9 points 8 months ago +9 / -0

Half-Orcs and Half-Elves are RACIST!

Wait, how?

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– Gizortnik 11 points 8 months ago +12 / -1

Wait, how?

Because miscegenation takes away the uniqueness, diversity, and strength of each of the superior races! It is a plot by oppressor race, white humans, to muddle our powerful bloodlines and weaken our community! Every half-orc and half-elf is a mud-blood, bastard, offspring of a race traitor!

Yes, I am an elementary school teacher that covers Critical Race Theory in my math class. How did you know?

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– Demijinx 3 points 8 months ago +4 / -1

(((White humans))), or goblins.

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– Vivs3rdSock [S] 7 points 8 months ago +7 / -0

Probably because almost 100% of the time the "half" part comes about from the mother being raped by the labelled bit.

You aren't going to find many human guys that will fuck an orc woman, and probably more importantly, orc women won't want human men who are physically weaker than not only orc men but also probably orc women!

Garona Halforcen, [subtle no?], from WoW, result of draenai female being raped by orc male.

The twins in Icewind Dale 2, result of human female being "impregnated" by a demon.

It's pretty much always rape and when you start noticing that it then brings up a likely inherent label of the races involved in siring the offspring.

Hence, racist. Because these idiots are too fucking retarded to realise what they are doing most of the time with their self insert OCs instead thinking "uwu, Imma half-dragon tiefling with horns and a tail, swish-swish!" that either required a demon to fuck a dragon, or a dragon to fuck a demon, and regardless probably needs the dragon in some kind of non dragon form if the resulting tieflings are somehow still humanoid in appearance.

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– Galean 4 points 8 months ago +4 / -0

https://archive.is/DAzRu

I've read this article about it and I still don't know

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– Stagecoach 3 points 8 months ago +3 / -0

They say the problem is with the "Half-" label and with treating Half-Orcs as being a separate race from regular Orcs. Of course no normal person would see an issue with this, but in fantasy and sci-fi settings leftists always end up interpreting the non-human races as being non-White and human solidarity is likened to White Supremacy.

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