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The Yasuke business have made Japanese start to demand official documents for historical events instead of just believing everything they hear (media.kotakuinaction2.win)
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– Gizortnik 15 points 1 year ago +15 / -0

I'm not even sure that Japan committed the most atrocities. That's quite a hard thing to measure.

Unfortunately for the Japanese, most of their atrocities are quite well documented.

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– btbw [S] 25 points 1 year ago +25 / -0

I mean you believe the holohoax happened so you aren't exactly the most unbiased source . Coincidently it was Soviets that were the first to report on the Holohoax AND also the first to report on the "Rape on Nanking" which makes things even more suspicious. Did it happen? Probably but it was also probably exaggerated by more agenda driven forces (especially by CCP because we know that commies lie).

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– Gizortnik 12 points 1 year ago +12 / -0

Just because I believe the Nazis when they say they did exactly what they did, and their rationale for it, and the physical evidence of it, doesn't mean your attempts at slander have any legitimacy.

Coincidently it was Soviets that were the first to report on the Holohoax AND also the first to report on the "Rape on Nanking" which makes things even more suspicious.

Okay, these are the things that make Holocaust Denial the most retarded conspiracy theory. All other conspiracy theories work off of low information, and then trying to follow up on it. The good ones actually follow the evidence and let the evidence speak for itself (like Pfizer's contract with Albania). The worst ones (like "moon is a hologram"), go down a rabbit hole of assumptions after a small amount information. You idiots operate off of no information. It's just motivated reasoning backed up by nothing. You don't want it to make your cause look retarded (even if you think it's a good thing and want to participate in the next one), so you just make shit up. You just 'say words' and hope for the best.

No, it was not the Soviets that reported the holocaust first, it was the witnesses, followed by the victims, followed by the aggressors. The Soviets, like Americans, got their information from those sources, down the line, as it slowly reached them by people who could communicate to them. That's how the Soviets would have found out about any of it, in any situation. You are literally ignorant of information gathering. You aren't equipped to have this conversation.

The first reports of the Rape of Nanking, came from the victims who fled the city, and Japanese officers who admitted that they had lost all control of their own men, and were unable to restore order. It's in their reports to their commanding officers, from the day. They don't admit that they ordered it, but they do admit that it happened. As with the Holocaust, it's their sources.

It's true that Communists lie. But so do Race Communists, also known as National Socialists.

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– btbw [S] 9 points 1 year ago +9 / -0

Every time we talk about anything involving ww2 or jews you need to write a wall of text don't you? Also who did the victims report to? they had to report to someone right? The first reporters of "the rape of Nanking" were Agnes Smedley, Harold John Timperley, and Edgar Snow.

・Agnes Smedley was a spy for the USSR. She and Edgar Snow are close friends. She is a subordinate of Richard Sorge, a USSR spy. She is in frequent contact with USSR spy Osaki Hotsumi, and Osaki and Smedley were lovers.

・Harold John Timperley is hired by Tse-ven Soong (Madame Chiang Kai-shek is a sister of Tse-ven Soong.) He wrote "What War Means : the Japanese Terror in China".

・Edgar Snow is a communist. He wrote "The Battle for Asia".

Also i didn't say it didn't happen i personally think it happened but it was exaggerated.

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– Gizortnik 7 points 1 year ago +7 / -0

I write a wall of text because you're that fucking stupid. I have to break shit down to the smallest component because you know literally nothing. Go read the Japanese accounts of the atrocity and cry.

No, you want to intentionally conflate it with the Holocaust and make more excuses for crimes you want to see committed.

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– TheModernDaVinci 8 points 1 year ago +8 / -0

The first reports of the Rape of Nanking, came from the victims who fled the city, and Japanese officers who admitted that they had lost all control of their own men, and were unable to restore order.

The Nazi German ambassador also had reports, since he was there trying to get closer ties with the Chinese and used his power as an ambassador to shelter as many people as he could stuff into his quarters.

You know you done fucked up when a Nazi is writing to Hitler telling him to break off relations with the Japanese because [paraphrased] "It would be a stain on our reputation to be associated with such barbarians."

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– Gizortnik 4 points 1 year ago +4 / -0

That's actually pretty funny. I think it's a combination of their racism, and the fact that it was a political alliance of convenience that the Nazis really weren't prepared to cover up for most Japanese actions.

Didn't the same German ambassador corps in China try to rescue refugees who were being bombed as well?

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– AlfredicEnglishRules 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

He's considered a hero in Chinese history. The problem is China doesn't teach its history passed a certain point. So he got a statue and some speeches every now and then.

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– btbw [S] 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

Also in regards to the Holohoax.... lol no i don't think that happened at all. two words. Wooden doors.

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– Gizortnik 6 points 1 year ago +6 / -0

The ones installed after the war, you stupid faggot? There's also no swimming pools or roller coasters, idiot.

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– ghostfox1_ 5 points 1 year ago +5 / -0

The holocaust didn't happen, but if it did it would have been a good thing.

That's your opinion, right? Just admit you want to genocide the jews already.

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– Dildoman9000 3 points 1 year ago +3 / -0

You can't prove the holocaust didn't happen soooo....

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– btbw [S] 13 points 1 year ago +13 / -0

two words:

Wooden doors.

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– LauriThorne 11 points 1 year ago +11 / -0

Come on now, you can use wooden doors to make a sufficiently airtight chamber to poison people. You can use gaskets and the chamber doesnt have to be an airlock to poison people. That is far from the strongest argument against the holocaust.

The steel man for the holocaust being a hoax is that the numbers are way too high in a short amount of time, and that the method of gassing are over-stated. Most just starved to death, gas chambers were probably a small percentage and they lump regular casualties from collateral damage because of the total war bombing tactics into the overall figure.

Wooden doors is an incredibly weak argument, as is the ovens thing as many mass graves were discovered.

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– Dildoman9000 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Proves nothing

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– zakat 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

You don't need 100% gas to kill a human. A mixture is fine, so a bit of leaking is fine.

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– Shill4Hire 2 points 1 year ago +2 / -0

Most is a tricky thing, too. Most... per raw count? I thought Germany's 10 million incidents would drive that count lead. Most per capita? It's a well-known meme that Canada considers them the Geneva Suggestions. Most... by diversity of victim group? I think the USA had that one covered, just by breadth of deployment, but it might have also been Italy just due to geographic location.

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 1 year ago +1 / -0

People commit the atrocities. They have nowhere near the most people. So I think Sus. It's probably the Chinese. They have the most people.

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