The first reports of the Rape of Nanking, came from the victims who fled the city, and Japanese officers who admitted that they had lost all control of their own men, and were unable to restore order.
The Nazi German ambassador also had reports, since he was there trying to get closer ties with the Chinese and used his power as an ambassador to shelter as many people as he could stuff into his quarters.
You know you done fucked up when a Nazi is writing to Hitler telling him to break off relations with the Japanese because [paraphrased] "It would be a stain on our reputation to be associated with such barbarians."
He's considered a hero in Chinese history. The problem is China doesn't teach its history passed a certain point. So he got a statue and some speeches every now and then.
To that end, I wonder if they do anything for him in Taiwan. Considering they are the descendants of the Nationalist government who would have worked with him.
That's actually pretty funny. I think it's a combination of their racism, and the fact that it was a political alliance of convenience that the Nazis really weren't prepared to cover up for most Japanese actions.
Didn't the same German ambassador corps in China try to rescue refugees who were being bombed as well?
Yeah, they did. At least from the things I remember reading, there was actually a pretty heavy split in the Nazi leadership over if they should side with China or Japan (to the point they were actively arming and training both sides before 1939). A lot of the pro-China ones wanted to do it because they felt it was an ancient nation of strong people that would fit greatly with their beliefs around Aryanism, as well as many of them being drawn to Chinese Legalism thought. But Hitler and his pro-Japan faction knew that China was also on friendly relations with the US, and they had long since realized they would need to go to war with America at some point and so wanted the "also growing hostile to America" Japan as an ally.
Keep in mind, that it's been a while since I took my Chinese history cources, and Chinese history is fucking insane, especially in the early 20th century, so forgive any lapses, but...
...it's important to keep in mind that the Chinese were basically having a civil war during the entire brou-ha-ha of WW2 which was basically Mao Ze Dong's side(The KMT? Gah, it's been a while) and the Nationalists side.
You... MIGHT have seen instances where the Germans sided with Mao to fight the Japanese, but it's not like the Nationalists liked thier American allies all that much - I recall atleast one instance where Nationalist forces basically joked to the Americans 'Ha ha wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if we started shooting at you' and the Americans basically went 'Ha ha wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if we started shooting back'. China and American might have been allied during WW1 and best buds at the time, but by WW2 China had basically undergone... uh... SEVERAL political revolutions, so the ruling political faction really had no correlation between then and now.
Then there's the added fun that the entire conflict between China and Japan started in, what, 1938? 1939? When was that stupid conflict on the bridge - bah, whatever. Too tired to do the research.
So, assuming an isolated Japan... yeah, they basically get gang-banged between Germany/China, Russia, and America. Conversely, America would get stuck in a two-way war between Germany/China and Japan... then again, would America even be fighting Germany by this point?
Yeah, you weren't wrong. That is some CRAZY bullshit.
The Nazi German ambassador also had reports, since he was there trying to get closer ties with the Chinese and used his power as an ambassador to shelter as many people as he could stuff into his quarters.
You know you done fucked up when a Nazi is writing to Hitler telling him to break off relations with the Japanese because [paraphrased] "It would be a stain on our reputation to be associated with such barbarians."
He's considered a hero in Chinese history. The problem is China doesn't teach its history passed a certain point. So he got a statue and some speeches every now and then.
To that end, I wonder if they do anything for him in Taiwan. Considering they are the descendants of the Nationalist government who would have worked with him.
There's nothing I know about. There was a slight push by some people I know in history circles, but has come of it.
That's actually pretty funny. I think it's a combination of their racism, and the fact that it was a political alliance of convenience that the Nazis really weren't prepared to cover up for most Japanese actions.
Didn't the same German ambassador corps in China try to rescue refugees who were being bombed as well?
Yeah, they did. At least from the things I remember reading, there was actually a pretty heavy split in the Nazi leadership over if they should side with China or Japan (to the point they were actively arming and training both sides before 1939). A lot of the pro-China ones wanted to do it because they felt it was an ancient nation of strong people that would fit greatly with their beliefs around Aryanism, as well as many of them being drawn to Chinese Legalism thought. But Hitler and his pro-Japan faction knew that China was also on friendly relations with the US, and they had long since realized they would need to go to war with America at some point and so wanted the "also growing hostile to America" Japan as an ally.
Now, there's a fuckin crazy what-if scenario.
Dafuq happens if China allies itself with the Axis, and Japan is isolated by both factions? I'd have to think about that, that'd be some crazy shit.
That's some straight up HOI4 bullshit.
That...
Hmm.
Keep in mind, that it's been a while since I took my Chinese history cources, and Chinese history is fucking insane, especially in the early 20th century, so forgive any lapses, but...
...it's important to keep in mind that the Chinese were basically having a civil war during the entire brou-ha-ha of WW2 which was basically Mao Ze Dong's side(The KMT? Gah, it's been a while) and the Nationalists side.
You... MIGHT have seen instances where the Germans sided with Mao to fight the Japanese, but it's not like the Nationalists liked thier American allies all that much - I recall atleast one instance where Nationalist forces basically joked to the Americans 'Ha ha wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if we started shooting at you' and the Americans basically went 'Ha ha wouldn't it be HILARIOUS if we started shooting back'. China and American might have been allied during WW1 and best buds at the time, but by WW2 China had basically undergone... uh... SEVERAL political revolutions, so the ruling political faction really had no correlation between then and now.
Then there's the added fun that the entire conflict between China and Japan started in, what, 1938? 1939? When was that stupid conflict on the bridge - bah, whatever. Too tired to do the research.
So, assuming an isolated Japan... yeah, they basically get gang-banged between Germany/China, Russia, and America. Conversely, America would get stuck in a two-way war between Germany/China and Japan... then again, would America even be fighting Germany by this point?
Yeah, you weren't wrong. That is some CRAZY bullshit.