Austria: populists score historic win
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Meanwhile in Germany the government started deliberations to ban the right-leaning AfD.
This never works. And in the case of Germany, it will backfire massively. That's why I think they won't.
All that will happen is that they will create a new party under a new name, and then they will also be able to even more effectively point out that the German government is about as democratic as a certain earlier one.
Example: the fascist state called Belgium banned the Flemish Block in 2004. That year, the Flemish Block got 24% of the vote in Flanders. Next election, the refounded party lost due to a more moderate nationalist party rising - but together they got 28%. This year, the party got 23%, and got 46% along with the other party. Together, they hold exactly half the seats in the Flemish parliament.
So don't despair, that is the greatest of sins.
There have been several court cases in Germany recently that showed that judges who have been appointed by politicians and who are members of their parties will do whatever the party wants.
They stacked the courts. The German supreme court in particular is stacked by leftists and headed by a party-friend and appointee of Merkel.
So?
They normally use the courts to ban and criminalize their opponents. Doesn't mean it's going to work.
I wish they were that stupid.
The Germans don't need to ban the AFD. They've already succeeded in neutering them for the next election cycle. They and their media allies astroturfed the BSW as a "left-wing anti-immigrant" alternative (led by an Iranian) to siphon votes away from the AFD. In all of the recent regional elections it worked, and the first thing the BSW did was immediately rule out any coalition that included the AFD.
Dag, couple of points:
(1) There is absolutely nothing strange about a half-Iranian opposing wokeness and immigration. If you care at all about the country you live in, you will oppose being flooded by violent, barbaric savages. I'm 0% rather than 50% European, and I don't want any immigrants.
(2) The private opinions of politicians matter little to nothing. They will do whatever benefits them. What do you think will happen if a party runs on anti-immigration platform and then fails to deliver? That's the worst case scenario. Then the voters move to the AfD - for whom a straight jump to the AfD would probably be too much.
(3) BSW is actually OK, better than the establishment, she takes votes from the establishment, and it's not promoted by the media to my knowledge, and she's attacked by Antifa. I take a more objective stance, and I'll take anti-establishment where I can find it.
Except she's just proven that she isn't anti-establishment, by openly encouraging her regional leaders to ticket up with any establishment party they can in order to lock the AFD out of government in all three regions.
That was to be expected. The mistake you make is in assuming that all or even most BSW supporters would support the AfD if she weren't there. You don't know just how much the AfD has been demonized.
There is a far greater change of them going to the AfD if she disappoints them.
I'm well aware of the visceral nature of anti-AFD propaganda. I'm also aware of what happened to the AFD's polling immediately after the formation of the BSW was announced and the German media went all in on contrasting and attacking both parties. A significant number of BSW voters would have voted AFD in their absence.
Right now, migration and the Russia/Ukraine war are far and away the two most important issues to German voters. The BSW has gained traction by opposing the establishment parties on both issues. And yet even in Thuringia, where the AFD and the BSW between them have enough seats to form a government without the need for any other parties, Wagenknecht and her regional leaders chose to rule out a coalition with the AFD, the only other party that agrees with them on both of those issues, and instead pursue government formation with the establishment parties that have proven track records on both issues that are fundamentally at odds with the BSW's stated values.
This was always their purpose.
Judging by the polling, not that many. Certainly not enough to change the results meaningfully. Which is why I point out that it's good to have two to appeal to different groups, rather than one.
Well, let's see what happens. I think it will be easier on the Land level as the issues of Ukraine and immigration are mostly not Land issues.
someone who is half-foreign has no business or standing to be in politics in either country.
Support for the welfare state? lol...
It's all so typical. "far-right" support for Israel. Merely an "anti-immigration" party. Jews win no matter which side wins, lmao.
Europeans are so fucked.
Oh no, "merely" an anti-immigration party saving Europe rather than indulging your anti-Jew obsession.
Why should I care about your anti-Jew obsession again?
I won't argue with you because it's pointless because I know who you are. What I will say is this for anyone observing the conversation. Take a mental note. In 10 years, reevaluate where we are and the "progress" society has made. When in 10 years, we still haven't fixed the problems and it seems things are getting worse not better, remember this conversation thread. That is all.
You see, I will be proven right and you will be proven wrong in time.
He's just some shitskin immigrant trying to tell whites how to run Europe
It doesn't matter who I am. Can you explain how it's in the interests of Europe and Europeans to be anti-Jew?
Things never get better. You're not exactly a prophet for pointing that out. Of course, blaming it on 'the Jews' is... interesting.
Well, why don't things get better?
When a corporation fails, you tend to blame the CEO, right?
When a ship sinks, you tend to blame the captain, right?
When a vehicle gets into an accident, you tend to blame the driver, right?
When runner loses the race, you tend to blame the runner, right?
Why then when a society fails to get better, you don't blame the people running the society? Who controls Hollywood? Who controls the banks? Who controls the education system? Who controls politics? Who makeup a vast majority of rich people? Who controls the media? If society is failing, shouldn't we be blaming the group of people controlling society?
The important question to ask and answer is this: Is the party Zionist?
The important question is whether they oppose the invasion of Europe.
It's the same question, just with different semantics.
The FPÖ is just the left-liberal controlled opposition party to keep an actual right from organizing. Just like AFD in germany or Trump in the US.
They ofc are best friends with Israel.
ew how dare you try to advance the interests of the common man instead of the international man
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Tell us what you really think, NBC.
I love how these journo-terrorists just casually admit that people "fled...poverty", i.e. they are economic migrants. And isn't it interesting that if people are concerned about something, and you address their concerns, it's "capitalizing" on something? You should ignore it and get plaudits from the media.
Not to mention referring to it as a crisis.
I find it baffling that they try to spin this as a bad thing.
The communist media like the BBC is screaming how they are “far right”
This political party is merely pushing for a mild reduction in immigration.
Definitely not going far enough to protect the native people and their country.
Anyone looking for a tl;dr, here you go
Can't wait to see how the powers that be nullify this win and cucks them all.
Wow, I wonder what the journo's politics are. That aside, wow I really wonder how it could be that a party formed in 1955 could have had nazis in it. Could it be that Austria was one of the countries under National Socialist rule and almost anyone living there was a nazi? NoooOooo surely you jest.
Also the FPÖ are centrist at best. Austria doesn't have a right wing party.
It's hard to place European parties on an American spectrum. Economically, they would probably be center-left.
A lot of them tend to be a bit more based, when it comes to the rainbow mafia, especially transing kids, than English speaking countries (not a lot, sure, the mafia is trying their damnest, but still). However, yeah, when it comes to welfare they are a lot more left, than American parties. They used to be a lot more left on the immigration issue as well, but the population is finally fed up with all the bullshit, so it has become more of a concern for the parties.