By 'mainstream', I mean that Vtubers like in Japan would be on the morning talk shows, be featured in advertisements on TV, have shows about V-Tubers on TV (there is a light novel with an anime adaptation called VTuber Legend: How I Went Viral After Forgetting to Turn Off My Stream), collaborations with V-Tubers and sports teams are a common occurrence, and while we have had some of these things in the West, it's not as pervasive as it is in Japan.
In my opinion with Western media being continually ass, it's only a matter of time.
I think Millennials will be the last generation to really care about TV, so I expect that TV will largely become what radio has become: a cultural relic of things that were popular circa 2010.
I hope not, and I don't want them too.
Keep it niche. Normies get the fuck out, and stay the fuck out.
godspeed
I expect them to try but they'll fail because they'll not understand one concept about it:
Because you can CREATE an avatar for yourself, it removes the 'beauty barrier' that media usually has. Hell vtubers like Zentreya show you don't even need to use your voice either.
That means it relies more on the personality of the creator and that's where mainstream media fails since a lot of them are soulless NPC husks only spout off talking points.
It's why autistic introverts will go to war for their oshi but the empty 'vtweeters' and the mean girls of Nijisanji are failing.
Zentreya probably being a guy aside, text to speech streamer is fucking annoying, especially noticeable during collabs, always 10 seconds late to the conversations and volume too low and flat to make impacts
I say Zentreya is an exception as chat uses that delay to set up some FANTASTIC one liners and gotcha responses. So again comes down to personality as like Alex Jones she accepted and embraced the meme.
I thought Zen was a dude too until multiple streamers have talked about meeting Zen IRL, so I'm just gonna chalk it up to extra shyness, because it doesn't really matter.
After Hololive Dodgers, it's hard for me to say no.
if there was ever cringe kino in this world, hololive Dodgers was certainly it.
Could be worse, there was Nijisanji tie ins to the NBA..
Simps are self destructive degenerates, and vtubers are glorified sfw e-thots who cash in on simps. I have no respect for either. I wouldn't do anything to stop them, but I don't feel like participating or having it shoved in my face.
that said, I do enjoy the animations that come out of it.
"animations"
yes, animations. there's tons of funny skits on YouTube such as
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HoTbtvF1iSw
and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f91GDHjMICI
they've replaced the let's play animations of old.
You seem pretty obsessed with the topic.
It's just one more flavor of youtube as far as I'm concerned.
I wouldn't say obsessed, just interested. I'm mostly a clip viewer anyways and a lot of why I'm asking this question is because of how much Eastern media is being consumed by the West and the fact that idol culture is a massive part of corporate V-Tubing especially. With Hololive's first 3 English generations about to do a concert at Kings' Theatre and Yagoo's very clear push to try and make the industry mainstream in the West, it came to mind.
Good lord I hope not.
I feel Western culture is too "celebrity worship" for it to truly take off. Maybe in like 50 years.
God I hope not. You already have "normies" trying to police the artwork of vtubers to ensure they're not lolis and various other social media shenanigans. Making it more mainstream and more popular will just make it worse, just like anime. As South Park put it jokingly "make it lame and gay" but this time seriously.
Jesus did they make an animu based on DarkSydePhil?
WTF is v tubing? Explain it to me like I'm 50. Because I am, and have no idea what kind of dumb shit kids are interested in these days, because I'm too busy telling them to get off my lawn.
It's a digital puppet show. The puppet, also known as an avatar, is controlled using a digital camera and special software that tracks the motions of the person being recorded. Most v-tubers use anime inspired avatars.
Examples:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWqx1vmTuPg&t=5694s
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2196803454?t=3h13m3salternate link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lzSgd_VgHK4&t=11584sThis concept was taken to the next level by Metaphysic on America's Got Talent where the puppets/avatars can now resemble real people:
https://rumble.com/v1bo6ib-simon-cowell-sings-on-stage-metaphysic-will-leave-you-speechless-agt-2022.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QA_mfhLvq0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jr8yEgu7sHU
Will this technology be weaponized against the public? Is the guy in this video who he appears to be?
https://rumble.com/v58duqd-president-biden-addresses-nation-best-way-forward-is-to-pass-the-torch.html
Thanks.
To further dumb it down, mainly because I think the stuff with Metaphysic is very different to what vtubers do, think professional wrestling but with anime characters instead.
I stand by the puppet analogy:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScAetfCAAdo
You would have to wait many years before it truly became mainstream. All the Old People currently running various mainstream media companies wouldn't know how to approach it outside of throwing some random intern at it to "make it work." Western culture is still too heavily focused on regular Hollywood celebrities and various TV personalities to shift over to VTubers any time soon, and with luck it never will.
The cross-contamination would be lethal, and we'd see a drastic infection of VTubing by MSM corporations as they tried to take over the industry completely and funnel everyone into their advertiser-safe brands and celebrity-lookalike characters. I think that would be the first attempt; make them look like people you already know.
Anime is everywhere in Japan, but not in the US. I think the transition would simply be too jarring for most people in the general population, who remain irrevocably normies.
I kinda think they are a fad that will die, but don’t listen to me as it’s not something I’m interested in at all.
From what I have seen, I don’t see how it would ever work in Western media anyway. As soon as they find out a white man is hiding behind a black woman or someone makes an attractive female that doesn’t have a cock, it’s dead.
I've seen some people bitch in video essays about the lack of black Vtubers.
It's always interesting to see the lack of instrospection, because they never ask why. Vtubers are probably the closest thing we can get to pure, unfiltered democracy of an educated set(for a given value of educated), and we see what they pick - interesting personalities focused around an entertaining persona and look that caters to their specific niche or interest.
Not once does it occur to these racial shills that - guess what, being black by itself just isn't that interesting.
Also, I get the impression that these people don't realize what being a minority implies. Or just how much of a minority they actually are. Funny what happens when you strip off the hollywood propaganda.
It actually is, but only to a certain subset of other black people who's entire personality is "black culture".
Most black entertainers have a hugely disproportionate black audience. Only a handful of real stars attract a broad spectrum audience, but hundreds of C-listers coast along almost entirely on in-group bias, "how do you do fellow blacks" jokes, and a willingness to take potshots at black superiority over other ethnicities.
Same is true for the handful of black vtubers, except they're barely making it because being a vtuber simp isn't very congruous with the rest of "black culture"
You're completely wrong lmao most mainstream vtubers have shown face and are hot white/Asian women
The point was whether or not it would be successful in the west. Have you not seen western media, it's half the point of this forum. Black, ugly woman, or severed penis is mainstream Western media. Hot white women with nice looking anime chick's would not be allowed.
The idol streamer type of vtuber? They're the successor to kpop in the West and I expect them to peak at about the same level.
Just generally replacing facecam video content on the internet with avatars? God I hope so, it'll be a nice step along the way to renomalizing anonymity in the internet and at least force entertainers to have some personality again.
The Australian TV Show Gruen - did a bit of analysis. It was a sign of some cross over but the conclusion was still that legacy media doesn't really have a clue
The future of v-tubing? It may not be recognizable as what you consider v-tubing:
https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/17txjwn1pR/the-future-of-vtubing/c
You've got Gura singing for the Dodgers at a MLB game. You've got Calliope singing for DC Comics cartoons.
Ye'd best start believin' in normie Vtubing scenes. Yer in one!
Is Anime even really mainstream in the west?
I mean there are companies making money off it and manga, sure, and internet is awash in it. But not on the level of mainstream that is Japan, with advertisements on mass transit and towns with anime mascots.
I wouldn't even call anime mainstream.
God no. Not for several decades atp, and atp we might be heading into full dive territory by that time as well with the Muskrats NL implants