Pentagon Reviewing 20 Medal of Honor Awards Given to Soldiers at the Wounded Knee Massacre
Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin has directed a five-person panel to review the 20 Medals of Honor that the Army awarded to soldiers for their actions at the Battle of Wounded Knee in South Dakota on Dec. 29, 1890.
Because clearly they have nothing better to do with their time. When I was in the Air Force I never thought military times or Air Force times would turn into partisan publications. Slavery and land conquest is as old as time. Doesn’t excuse any atrocities but it happened. Native Americans committed atrocities along with everyone else. There is a clip from the Wounded Knee movie where Col. Miles and Sitting Bull are talking and Col Miles points out the tribes that his tribe slaughtered to take the land they were on.
I’m so tired of this constant hand wringing over things that every other country did on some level. Shaka Zulu was essentially terrorizing and “colonizing” the neighboring tribes, and if he would’ve had the resources of the British Empire you don’t think he would’ve expanded his reach as far as possible?
If only I could have a Stargate and settle on a new planet although no matter how strict my rules are to start I would bet the civilization would eventually succumb to the usual stuff
Further to this, I'm sick of people trying to apply morality to soldiers.
We can debate the morality of volunteering to serve a corrupt country but, once you join, you lose agency and responsibility. That's the point of soldiers.
If they want to go after the commander for allowing atrocities, fine. Or the general whose plan created the battle, or the politicians who created the situation, or the people who wanted the land. But the soldiers were risking their lives to do their jobs and should be recognized for doing so.
You have just summarized the distinction between jus ad bellum and jus in bello from Just War Theory, which I would hope every military officer in the world understands.
Sadly I have observed many people do not make the distinction.
Agreed
I like that scene on the HBO show because Sitting Bull called another indian chief a woman. Very sexist and transphobic, no?
The native shit always seems to undermind the liberal philosophy. They are determined to keep native land "autonomous." Up to them denying access to governors they don't like but want open borders to the US. They undermind and lie about Indian slavery, namely some tribes enslaved everyone, rapings, murders, and them joining the Confederacy.
Liberals have a very skewed vision of American history, a very Yankee view.
Oh yea he did call him a woman. How dare Sitting Bull say such a thing. I grew up in Oklahoma so we had a lot of Native American history. They mentioned Indians being in the confederacy but didn’t go into much depth on it. I vaguely remember hearing about blacks in the confederacy because I saw a black guy who was in the sons of the confederacy. Those two topics are hard to find on Google at least because the articles that come up are “debunking” articles but I’m not crazy, I remember learning those facts even if it was a brief mention.
history is full of a great many strange and inconvenient truths. one of my ancestors fought with their slaves to hold back shermans murderous march. 20+ African slaves armed with rifles and one single old white man leading them against the federals. happened at the old savannah bridge after the yanks took savannah and began marching to Bryan county. when they got there they poisoned the wells with bodies which killed young and old black and white alike for miles around. you could read about it in the book "from beautiful zion to red bird creek" which is a local history of Bryan county GA. local histories like this one are a great place to read first hand accounts which hold truths not found in mcgraw-hill indoctrination books.
I grew up in the North and not once have I ever heard of this. In fact, I’ve noticed how many key details are left out of the history books I was taught from
Sherman went scorched earth, raped the women, and used the captured Southern slaves as Union war materiel.
For a war fought on muh slavery and to preserve the Union, no one seemed to have told the Union troops.
No don't you see, subjecting slave states to cruel and unjust punishments is ok because reasons, but nuking the shit out of the Japanese for bringing it upon themselves is evil because it's not nice to harm/kill people who would totally do it to you if they could.
Yes, it's moral to subjugate and torture your brother states/citizens for crimes that only a small percentage committed, but it's mean to do the same to the Japanese, well known for the women to strap explosives to their swaddled babies to try and kill US soldiers who weren't even harming them.
Interesting. I know stories like this exist across the south but you wouldn’t find them in any modern history book
You should read the histories of the Maori. Half the tribes disappeared as soon as proper guns were introduced. That's 150 years ago.
I’ve been watching a New Zealand show called Brokenwood. It’s a murder mystery show but it’s made me want to do a deep dive into Māori history.
Maori are awesome. Of the Polynesians, I consider them the most authentically friendly.
https://youtu.be/5kwIkF6LFDc?si=ZoW6Xn15iWkMp4ON
This should be a good start.
People always assume native Hawaiians are nice, but they don’t realize how many bodies Hawaiians stacked before we conquered them
Pay enough and you get nice. The truth is Tourism has destroyed a lot of markets that could create other jobs. Tons of businesses started in Hawaii, and then moved. Sega for example.
I just saw that clip today. I'm not familiar with the battle, but Miles was making valid points. Leftists like to pretend that losing to Westerners makes you a victim, but plenty of them deserved what they got or worse.
Digging up the past just makes you dirty.
Leave it up to libs to do exactly, literally just that with confederate generals
Liberalism is dependent on forcing wounds to stay open and festering
Nobody who respects a Medal of Honor will respect or care if the current government retroactively takes it away.
Its like when your ex girlfriend calls your penis small. Its a worthless loser trying to act like they still have power, but they only do when you give it to them.
Like its clearly bad and all the standard opposition applies, but it makes them look so pathetic that it almost is a good thing because it further undermines their authority more and more.
It's going to have a cultural attitude shift moving forward, though.
People advocating for this don't get it. They already have trouble filling military quotas, and they're redlining trying to further insult and belittle military service. The so-called 'elites' seem to have it in their skulls that Americans showing up to fight their over-seas wars is just an assumed given that isn't even up for debate or question, when people's attitude is becoming more and more 'Fuck you, this is the governments war, and I fucking hate my government'.
I think that shift is basically already done, and nothing the Elite are willing to do will undo it. Like, enlistment is dangerously low already and nothing short of literally shooting vets on their way back is going to make it drop faster than it is already going (as those still signing up likely are too ignorant or without other options to care).
Until the day an invasion hits American soil, the Elites and the government are the ones who suffer for this and the consequences it brings further.
Its not like we benefit from sending some of our best men to get riddled with PTSD and disabilities in some worthless proxy war with no gain to our economy. That ceasing to happen might actually help us in small ways.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Wounded Knee an actual, literal slaughter? The US is known to heavily decorate people who commit atrocities for the feds. The sniper who shot an unarmed mother at Ruby Ridge comes to mind.
It's been a while since I've read about it, but as I recall, tensions were mounting between the Natives and the whites. Many thought, as had often happened, that the Natives would start attacking white settlers again. An attempted arrest of Sitting Bull by Native police officers went wrong, leading to multiple people getting shot to death, including Sitting Bull. When the US military caught up with this group of hundreds of Natives, they started to confiscate their firearms. At some point while this was going on, some kind of Native shaman resisted and several other Natives opened fire on the U.S. military. More Natives started grabbing the confiscated rifles and firing, which led to a huge massacre. It's a pretty fucked up situation all around, but I would say not nearly as cut-and-dry evil as the Ruby Ridge situation. Still really sad that many innocent people ended up getting killed .
understood. that's definitely different from how Hollywood likes to depict it, but that makes more sense.
Yea. Definitely different than how the movie has it. I meant to look up the actual story but never did. That discussion between Miles and Sitting Bull is still very good
That sounds way closer to Ruby Ridge.
The ATF still have a big sad every year for their losses in Waco, at the monument only they care about.
That wasn't the ATF, that was the FBI's HRT group.
The ATF were the ones who initially raided the compound. The FBI took over from them.
I didn't know the FBI was doing Hormone Replace Therapy that long ago.
Close enough for government work.
Anyone still "serving" this insane regime deserves what they get.
I do agree we should still enter service to gain benefits and power.
Definitely, it can't be any more obvious that they hate us.
Draughts for everyone. Skirt optional.
Meanwhile
Wounded Knee was, and is why the average citizen should have military weapons. They're just trying to erase it. Slowly.
Nice to see the DoD getting on the biggest issues of 2024. Yeah I’m sure this is the most pressing issue medals given out when Benjamin Harrison was president.
When I was in the Marines our barracks had a black mold problem. I’m sure that’s been resolved by now. Or it just got hand waved away because this is more important.
There's a huge problem with those MOH citations. It primarily starts with the fact that the MOH wasn't glorified. It was literally the only medal you could achieve that wasn't a purple heart.
So, since they wanted a political medal, they put them up for MOH citations.
The second part is that those MOH citations are basically fraudulent. None of the shit that they claim happened according to any actual evidence or information we have.
These medals have needed to be reviewed for 130 years.