This shit is unreasonable and what kind of precedence are you setting as a mod when you just make these accusations on a whim and refuse to take it back even when corrected about it?
He cleared that hurdle when he ported all the reddit rules over, so it isn't exactly a new revelation, but we're looking at a single point of failure here.
He popped up on the Fediverse and started tagging me and our instance owner Graf nearly instant defeds him (means he can't interact with Poast), compared to here where he runs rampant. Conpro also bans him fast enough he moved over here after awhile
I'm not persuaded that you are that other fellow, but how exactly did you 'correct' it? Do you mean denying it? Of course, every alt denies being an alt, like every non-alt does.
Also, if you want to get something done, acting like a lunatic doesn't exactly help your case. Calm down, and present such evidence as you have, instead of just posting insults and trying to incite a mob. People dismiss anything that is brought by yelling and acting like a lunatic.
Except the proof needs to come from Dom, not yoisi or Siegfried.
Putting aside who is who and who may or may not be an alt, Dom's argument is silly. The thread has been linked. We can all see the "evidence." I can see how someone might get the wrong idea, and I do believe it was an honest mistake at first (although now Dom's being stubborn and no longer reasonable, since he's already made up his mind), but the fact is the "evidence" doesn't show anything even close to certainty and, if you give it even the tiniest bit of the benefit of the doubt...it shows nothing at all.
There was no "slip of the tongue," yoisi/Siegfried didn't "out themselves" or whatever. There's nothing here, Dom is being extremely silly, and I can get why people are pissed off.
Okay, but all Dom has is “I read this comment one way, it turns out it could reasonably be read a different way that doesn’t imply what I thought it did.” At best that’s a “maybe this guy could be an alt, I’ll watch both of them more.”
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
More importantly, that was a response to you commenting on your opinion, not Dom’s, and either way it’s quite correct for Kienan to point out that there is no good evidence for the alt theory, so, again, if the importance is in persuasion, how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”? Instead you’re reversing burden of proof.
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
Looking at Siegfried's history, they don't sound alike, although both are national socialists.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
And you figured that, how exactly? It seemed to me that he made the conclusion based on that conversation, not on the entire posting history.
how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”?
Right. Like I said, I'm not persuaded that you are, but simply denying it is not the same as 'correcting' the claim. It's not as if a denial is a hard refutaton.
Its the other way round. Dom is the one that needs to provide hard evidence that Siegfried is my alt . Dom can't just go around accusing people on a whim however he likes.
. And the only "evidence" Dom has is that Siegfried used first pronouns when he said "I said throwing them in LABOR camps would be a merciful solution " as proof that he is my alt , when what Siegfried was clearly referring to was his previous deleted comment about the labour camps and not mine . A comment that Dom himself had seen and deleted so i don't know how Dom made this mistake .
i've literally been here for years and so has Siegfried. And the only thing that Dom is basing his accusations on is that Siegfried defended me and he used "i pronouns" which Dom used as "evidence" that he was me, when he was clearly referring to his own previous comment (that Dom had in fact seen and had been deleted by Dom) and not mine.
It was corrected by the explanation that Siegfried was referencing his own comment not mine. DOM somehow thinks Siegfried was talking about my comment when he clearly saw that he was referencing his own earlier comment about the labor camps. https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
Great. Now can you bring this to his attention in a civil and normal way? Because every moderator is just going to ignore you if bring it like "FUCK YOU YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS DIE IN A FIRE FAGGOT". As OK, this guy is obviously a lunatic. Even if you're completely right.
I can attest to not liking it when the KiA moderators accused me of all sorts of things that I didn't do.
But if you're seeking to persuade someone to reverse himself, you might want to use a bit of tact. And I did, with them, and even with the admins. Unless you just want to vent.
Am I claiming that you're his alt? I said you don't sound like him to me, and that I'm not persuaded. You seem to have more emotional continence, even though you were the guy who got banned over what someone else did.
DoM going full AOU wouldn't be surprising (AOU being poal's batshit-crazy site owner, anyone slightly off-brand or who pushed back against him was labeled a kike or a nigger, banned people on a whim)
But we've been getting some forum sliding, and new handshakes trying to fedpost or laying low to window push at a later time, in a major US election year, it's probably driving him more nuts, so he's whacking invisible moles.
Can attest, I am not you, I'm shocked given that he must know Conpro exists he thinks I'm your alt for saying something vaguely similar to you, doubly so given the age and activity of my account.
Im showing that Dom saw the post and is still refusing to budge even when being corrected on it. And there is an IP ban, Dom said that he IP bans the pedo pajeet (though the pedo pajeet uses a VPN to get around that)
No i wasn't. But in the future i might be if he thinks that im using alts or i might get punished for what the other user does . That's what im worried about .
I'm more worried that this other guy will get punished for what you do. He seems normal. And he's also rather calm and measured, quite unlike you, which should be evidence that he's not you - unless you're some sort of criminal mastermind, which you're not.
u/DomitiusOfMassilia
This shit is unreasonable and what kind of precedence are you setting as a mod when you just make these accusations on a whim and refuse to take it back even when corrected about it?
The same precedence that he sets when allowing the pedo pajeet to run wild.
That he's not fit for purpose.
He cleared that hurdle when he ported all the reddit rules over, so it isn't exactly a new revelation, but we're looking at a single point of failure here.
He popped up on the Fediverse and started tagging me and our instance owner Graf nearly instant defeds him (means he can't interact with Poast), compared to here where he runs rampant. Conpro also bans him fast enough he moved over here after awhile
I'm not persuaded that you are that other fellow, but how exactly did you 'correct' it? Do you mean denying it? Of course, every alt denies being an alt, like every non-alt does.
Also, if you want to get something done, acting like a lunatic doesn't exactly help your case. Calm down, and present such evidence as you have, instead of just posting insults and trying to incite a mob. People dismiss anything that is brought by yelling and acting like a lunatic.
Except the proof needs to come from Dom, not yoisi or Siegfried.
Putting aside who is who and who may or may not be an alt, Dom's argument is silly. The thread has been linked. We can all see the "evidence." I can see how someone might get the wrong idea, and I do believe it was an honest mistake at first (although now Dom's being stubborn and no longer reasonable, since he's already made up his mind), but the fact is the "evidence" doesn't show anything even close to certainty and, if you give it even the tiniest bit of the benefit of the doubt...it shows nothing at all.
There was no "slip of the tongue," yoisi/Siegfried didn't "out themselves" or whatever. There's nothing here, Dom is being extremely silly, and I can get why people are pissed off.
This is not a cross-examination. If you want someone to reverse his decision, persuade him.
Okay, but all Dom has is “I read this comment one way, it turns out it could reasonably be read a different way that doesn’t imply what I thought it did.” At best that’s a “maybe this guy could be an alt, I’ll watch both of them more.”
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
More importantly, that was a response to you commenting on your opinion, not Dom’s, and either way it’s quite correct for Kienan to point out that there is no good evidence for the alt theory, so, again, if the importance is in persuasion, how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”? Instead you’re reversing burden of proof.
Looking at Siegfried's history, they don't sound alike, although both are national socialists.
And you figured that, how exactly? It seemed to me that he made the conclusion based on that conversation, not on the entire posting history.
Didn't I say that I'm not persuaded?
im pissed off over being accused of something that i didn't do, of course im angry.
What "evidence" can i give that im not another user? im not the one who posted what he posted
Right. Like I said, I'm not persuaded that you are, but simply denying it is not the same as 'correcting' the claim. It's not as if a denial is a hard refutaton.
Its the other way round. Dom is the one that needs to provide hard evidence that Siegfried is my alt . Dom can't just go around accusing people on a whim however he likes.
. And the only "evidence" Dom has is that Siegfried used first pronouns when he said "I said throwing them in LABOR camps would be a merciful solution " as proof that he is my alt , when what Siegfried was clearly referring to was his previous deleted comment about the labour camps and not mine . A comment that Dom himself had seen and deleted so i don't know how Dom made this mistake .
https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
That's not how it works. Most alts make it very obvious what they are.
Out of all the retarded ideas you have, this is the most retarded one you have ever posted.
Only had to deal with them for 3 years.
i've literally been here for years and so has Siegfried. And the only thing that Dom is basing his accusations on is that Siegfried defended me and he used "i pronouns" which Dom used as "evidence" that he was me, when he was clearly referring to his own previous comment (that Dom had in fact seen and had been deleted by Dom) and not mine.
And why are you telling me this?
Go tell DoM if you are able to do it civilly and normally.
It was corrected by the explanation that Siegfried was referencing his own comment not mine. DOM somehow thinks Siegfried was talking about my comment when he clearly saw that he was referencing his own earlier comment about the labor camps. https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
It was contested, not corrected.
Great. Now can you bring this to his attention in a civil and normal way? Because every moderator is just going to ignore you if bring it like "FUCK YOU YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS DIE IN A FIRE FAGGOT". As OK, this guy is obviously a lunatic. Even if you're completely right.
I think anyone would get emotional if they were wrongly accused of something they didn't do...
I can attest to not liking it when the KiA moderators accused me of all sorts of things that I didn't do.
But if you're seeking to persuade someone to reverse himself, you might want to use a bit of tact. And I did, with them, and even with the admins. Unless you just want to vent.
No i don't want to just "vent" i want to not have a "note" over my account that's based on untrue accusations
Then you should have sent a private message instead of making a public spectacle.
If you try it that way, and you do not receive a reply or you are dismissed with bad arguments, then you do it like this.
Explain to me this, how am I an alt when both me and Yoshi have years worth of posting history and I use Conpro and he doesn't?
Am I claiming that you're his alt? I said you don't sound like him to me, and that I'm not persuaded. You seem to have more emotional continence, even though you were the guy who got banned over what someone else did.
No, it still really looks like he was referring to your comment.
BUT, looking at this, it's arguable enough. It could go either way, he's not being clear enough in the comment to know which one he's referencing.
So, I can see the argument. I'll remove the note
Thank you.
I'm sparta... yoisi. I'm yoisi.
No I am Yoshi
I too, am yoisi. He just doesn't know it yet.
Hello I'm Yoisi.
If I've said it once I've said it a thousand times, the jannies are useless faggots that belong on reddit and should stay there.
DoM going full AOU wouldn't be surprising (AOU being poal's batshit-crazy site owner, anyone slightly off-brand or who pushed back against him was labeled a kike or a nigger, banned people on a whim)
But we've been getting some forum sliding, and new handshakes trying to fedpost or laying low to window push at a later time, in a major US election year, it's probably driving him more nuts, so he's whacking invisible moles.
"I'd rather have Imp than these pedo pajeets"
Inb4 Imp is the spammer to gaslight everyone in welcoming his return.
Both are a problem. Imp would have been okay if he didn't constantly derail threads with his single-issue crusades.
I too am Yoisi
I'm going to lean the other way with the memes.
Can attest, I am not you, I'm shocked given that he must know Conpro exists he thinks I'm your alt for saying something vaguely similar to you, doubly so given the age and activity of my account.
Hello, I am yoisi, just checking back up on the thread that I made here. Oh noes, I have the wrong account active! Why did I hit "save"?!
This would also work, "No we're both Yoshi" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MWCoDpwvWo0
I'm pretty sure there's no such thing as an IP ban.
And why are you reposting this?
Im showing that Dom saw the post and is still refusing to budge even when being corrected on it. And there is an IP ban, Dom said that he IP bans the pedo pajeet (though the pedo pajeet uses a VPN to get around that)
Surprising difference from Reddit then. Were you actually IP banned then?
And tomorrow you'll link this post and say that it shows he saw this and that he still 'refuses to budge'?
Here's an idea: as much as you think you've been treated unfairly, try being civil and acting normal. You'd have a better chance like that.
No i wasn't. But in the future i might be if he thinks that im using alts or i might get punished for what the other user does . That's what im worried about .
I'm more worried that this other guy will get punished for what you do. He seems normal. And he's also rather calm and measured, quite unlike you, which should be evidence that he's not you - unless you're some sort of criminal mastermind, which you're not.
OFC Yoshi's upset, he's being accused of ban evading lmao.
There has been a massive wave of shilling here recently, going far beyond “mUh pedo pajeet”.
What are your thoughts on that wave of shilling? Fan of it? Not a fan of it? Haven’t noticed?