I'm not persuaded that you are that other fellow, but how exactly did you 'correct' it? Do you mean denying it? Of course, every alt denies being an alt, like every non-alt does.
Also, if you want to get something done, acting like a lunatic doesn't exactly help your case. Calm down, and present such evidence as you have, instead of just posting insults and trying to incite a mob. People dismiss anything that is brought by yelling and acting like a lunatic.
Except the proof needs to come from Dom, not yoisi or Siegfried.
Putting aside who is who and who may or may not be an alt, Dom's argument is silly. The thread has been linked. We can all see the "evidence." I can see how someone might get the wrong idea, and I do believe it was an honest mistake at first (although now Dom's being stubborn and no longer reasonable, since he's already made up his mind), but the fact is the "evidence" doesn't show anything even close to certainty and, if you give it even the tiniest bit of the benefit of the doubt...it shows nothing at all.
There was no "slip of the tongue," yoisi/Siegfried didn't "out themselves" or whatever. There's nothing here, Dom is being extremely silly, and I can get why people are pissed off.
Okay, but all Dom has is “I read this comment one way, it turns out it could reasonably be read a different way that doesn’t imply what I thought it did.” At best that’s a “maybe this guy could be an alt, I’ll watch both of them more.”
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
More importantly, that was a response to you commenting on your opinion, not Dom’s, and either way it’s quite correct for Kienan to point out that there is no good evidence for the alt theory, so, again, if the importance is in persuasion, how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”? Instead you’re reversing burden of proof.
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
Looking at Siegfried's history, they don't sound alike, although both are national socialists.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
And you figured that, how exactly? It seemed to me that he made the conclusion based on that conversation, not on the entire posting history.
how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”?
Right. Like I said, I'm not persuaded that you are, but simply denying it is not the same as 'correcting' the claim. It's not as if a denial is a hard refutaton.
Its the other way round. Dom is the one that needs to provide hard evidence that Siegfried is my alt . Dom can't just go around accusing people on a whim however he likes.
. And the only "evidence" Dom has is that Siegfried used first pronouns when he said "I said throwing them in LABOR camps would be a merciful solution " as proof that he is my alt , when what Siegfried was clearly referring to was his previous deleted comment about the labour camps and not mine . A comment that Dom himself had seen and deleted so i don't know how Dom made this mistake .
It was corrected by the explanation that Siegfried was referencing his own comment not mine. DOM somehow thinks Siegfried was talking about my comment when he clearly saw that he was referencing his own earlier comment about the labor camps. https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
Great. Now can you bring this to his attention in a civil and normal way? Because every moderator is just going to ignore you if bring it like "FUCK YOU YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS DIE IN A FIRE FAGGOT". As OK, this guy is obviously a lunatic. Even if you're completely right.
I can attest to not liking it when the KiA moderators accused me of all sorts of things that I didn't do.
But if you're seeking to persuade someone to reverse himself, you might want to use a bit of tact. And I did, with them, and even with the admins. Unless you just want to vent.
Am I claiming that you're his alt? I said you don't sound like him to me, and that I'm not persuaded. You seem to have more emotional continence, even though you were the guy who got banned over what someone else did.
I'm not persuaded that you are that other fellow, but how exactly did you 'correct' it? Do you mean denying it? Of course, every alt denies being an alt, like every non-alt does.
Also, if you want to get something done, acting like a lunatic doesn't exactly help your case. Calm down, and present such evidence as you have, instead of just posting insults and trying to incite a mob. People dismiss anything that is brought by yelling and acting like a lunatic.
Except the proof needs to come from Dom, not yoisi or Siegfried.
Putting aside who is who and who may or may not be an alt, Dom's argument is silly. The thread has been linked. We can all see the "evidence." I can see how someone might get the wrong idea, and I do believe it was an honest mistake at first (although now Dom's being stubborn and no longer reasonable, since he's already made up his mind), but the fact is the "evidence" doesn't show anything even close to certainty and, if you give it even the tiniest bit of the benefit of the doubt...it shows nothing at all.
There was no "slip of the tongue," yoisi/Siegfried didn't "out themselves" or whatever. There's nothing here, Dom is being extremely silly, and I can get why people are pissed off.
This is not a cross-examination. If you want someone to reverse his decision, persuade him.
Okay, but all Dom has is “I read this comment one way, it turns out it could reasonably be read a different way that doesn’t imply what I thought it did.” At best that’s a “maybe this guy could be an alt, I’ll watch both of them more.”
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
More importantly, that was a response to you commenting on your opinion, not Dom’s, and either way it’s quite correct for Kienan to point out that there is no good evidence for the alt theory, so, again, if the importance is in persuasion, how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”? Instead you’re reversing burden of proof.
Looking at Siegfried's history, they don't sound alike, although both are national socialists.
And you figured that, how exactly? It seemed to me that he made the conclusion based on that conversation, not on the entire posting history.
Didn't I say that I'm not persuaded?
im pissed off over being accused of something that i didn't do, of course im angry.
What "evidence" can i give that im not another user? im not the one who posted what he posted
Right. Like I said, I'm not persuaded that you are, but simply denying it is not the same as 'correcting' the claim. It's not as if a denial is a hard refutaton.
Its the other way round. Dom is the one that needs to provide hard evidence that Siegfried is my alt . Dom can't just go around accusing people on a whim however he likes.
. And the only "evidence" Dom has is that Siegfried used first pronouns when he said "I said throwing them in LABOR camps would be a merciful solution " as proof that he is my alt , when what Siegfried was clearly referring to was his previous deleted comment about the labour camps and not mine . A comment that Dom himself had seen and deleted so i don't know how Dom made this mistake .
https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
That's not how it works. Most alts make it very obvious what they are.
It was corrected by the explanation that Siegfried was referencing his own comment not mine. DOM somehow thinks Siegfried was talking about my comment when he clearly saw that he was referencing his own earlier comment about the labor camps. https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
It was contested, not corrected.
Great. Now can you bring this to his attention in a civil and normal way? Because every moderator is just going to ignore you if bring it like "FUCK YOU YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS DIE IN A FIRE FAGGOT". As OK, this guy is obviously a lunatic. Even if you're completely right.
I think anyone would get emotional if they were wrongly accused of something they didn't do...
I can attest to not liking it when the KiA moderators accused me of all sorts of things that I didn't do.
But if you're seeking to persuade someone to reverse himself, you might want to use a bit of tact. And I did, with them, and even with the admins. Unless you just want to vent.
Explain to me this, how am I an alt when both me and Yoshi have years worth of posting history and I use Conpro and he doesn't?
Am I claiming that you're his alt? I said you don't sound like him to me, and that I'm not persuaded. You seem to have more emotional continence, even though you were the guy who got banned over what someone else did.
No, it still really looks like he was referring to your comment.
BUT, looking at this, it's arguable enough. It could go either way, he's not being clear enough in the comment to know which one he's referencing.
So, I can see the argument. I'll remove the note
Thank you.