This shit is unreasonable and what kind of precedence are you setting as a mod when you just make these accusations on a whim and refuse to take it back even when corrected about it?
He cleared that hurdle when he ported all the reddit rules over, so it isn't exactly a new revelation, but we're looking at a single point of failure here.
He popped up on the Fediverse and started tagging me and our instance owner Graf nearly instant defeds him (means he can't interact with Poast), compared to here where he runs rampant. Conpro also bans him fast enough he moved over here after awhile
I'm not persuaded that you are that other fellow, but how exactly did you 'correct' it? Do you mean denying it? Of course, every alt denies being an alt, like every non-alt does.
Also, if you want to get something done, acting like a lunatic doesn't exactly help your case. Calm down, and present such evidence as you have, instead of just posting insults and trying to incite a mob. People dismiss anything that is brought by yelling and acting like a lunatic.
Except the proof needs to come from Dom, not yoisi or Siegfried.
Putting aside who is who and who may or may not be an alt, Dom's argument is silly. The thread has been linked. We can all see the "evidence." I can see how someone might get the wrong idea, and I do believe it was an honest mistake at first (although now Dom's being stubborn and no longer reasonable, since he's already made up his mind), but the fact is the "evidence" doesn't show anything even close to certainty and, if you give it even the tiniest bit of the benefit of the doubt...it shows nothing at all.
There was no "slip of the tongue," yoisi/Siegfried didn't "out themselves" or whatever. There's nothing here, Dom is being extremely silly, and I can get why people are pissed off.
Okay, but all Dom has is “I read this comment one way, it turns out it could reasonably be read a different way that doesn’t imply what I thought it did.” At best that’s a “maybe this guy could be an alt, I’ll watch both of them more.”
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
More importantly, that was a response to you commenting on your opinion, not Dom’s, and either way it’s quite correct for Kienan to point out that there is no good evidence for the alt theory, so, again, if the importance is in persuasion, how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”? Instead you’re reversing burden of proof.
Right. Like I said, I'm not persuaded that you are, but simply denying it is not the same as 'correcting' the claim. It's not as if a denial is a hard refutaton.
Its the other way round. Dom is the one that needs to provide hard evidence that Siegfried is my alt . Dom can't just go around accusing people on a whim however he likes.
. And the only "evidence" Dom has is that Siegfried used first pronouns when he said "I said throwing them in LABOR camps would be a merciful solution " as proof that he is my alt , when what Siegfried was clearly referring to was his previous deleted comment about the labour camps and not mine . A comment that Dom himself had seen and deleted so i don't know how Dom made this mistake .
It was corrected by the explanation that Siegfried was referencing his own comment not mine. DOM somehow thinks Siegfried was talking about my comment when he clearly saw that he was referencing his own earlier comment about the labor camps. https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
Great. Now can you bring this to his attention in a civil and normal way? Because every moderator is just going to ignore you if bring it like "FUCK YOU YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS DIE IN A FIRE FAGGOT". As OK, this guy is obviously a lunatic. Even if you're completely right.
u/DomitiusOfMassilia
This shit is unreasonable and what kind of precedence are you setting as a mod when you just make these accusations on a whim and refuse to take it back even when corrected about it?
The same precedence that he sets when allowing the pedo pajeet to run wild.
That he's not fit for purpose.
He cleared that hurdle when he ported all the reddit rules over, so it isn't exactly a new revelation, but we're looking at a single point of failure here.
He popped up on the Fediverse and started tagging me and our instance owner Graf nearly instant defeds him (means he can't interact with Poast), compared to here where he runs rampant. Conpro also bans him fast enough he moved over here after awhile
I'm not persuaded that you are that other fellow, but how exactly did you 'correct' it? Do you mean denying it? Of course, every alt denies being an alt, like every non-alt does.
Also, if you want to get something done, acting like a lunatic doesn't exactly help your case. Calm down, and present such evidence as you have, instead of just posting insults and trying to incite a mob. People dismiss anything that is brought by yelling and acting like a lunatic.
Except the proof needs to come from Dom, not yoisi or Siegfried.
Putting aside who is who and who may or may not be an alt, Dom's argument is silly. The thread has been linked. We can all see the "evidence." I can see how someone might get the wrong idea, and I do believe it was an honest mistake at first (although now Dom's being stubborn and no longer reasonable, since he's already made up his mind), but the fact is the "evidence" doesn't show anything even close to certainty and, if you give it even the tiniest bit of the benefit of the doubt...it shows nothing at all.
There was no "slip of the tongue," yoisi/Siegfried didn't "out themselves" or whatever. There's nothing here, Dom is being extremely silly, and I can get why people are pissed off.
This is not a cross-examination. If you want someone to reverse his decision, persuade him.
Okay, but all Dom has is “I read this comment one way, it turns out it could reasonably be read a different way that doesn’t imply what I thought it did.” At best that’s a “maybe this guy could be an alt, I’ll watch both of them more.”
But Dom jumped right to “he IS an alt.” Plus, once you look at the user history and realize that Siegfried has a year of consistent history her, the “he’s an alt” theory starts looking sillier.
I mean, what’s the reasonable “persuasion” for convincing a guy that’s clearly determined to believe only one thing?
More importantly, that was a response to you commenting on your opinion, not Dom’s, and either way it’s quite correct for Kienan to point out that there is no good evidence for the alt theory, so, again, if the importance is in persuasion, how come you aren’t going “gee, the lack of evidence makes the argument that he’s an alt look unpersuasive”? Instead you’re reversing burden of proof.
im pissed off over being accused of something that i didn't do, of course im angry.
What "evidence" can i give that im not another user? im not the one who posted what he posted
Right. Like I said, I'm not persuaded that you are, but simply denying it is not the same as 'correcting' the claim. It's not as if a denial is a hard refutaton.
Its the other way round. Dom is the one that needs to provide hard evidence that Siegfried is my alt . Dom can't just go around accusing people on a whim however he likes.
. And the only "evidence" Dom has is that Siegfried used first pronouns when he said "I said throwing them in LABOR camps would be a merciful solution " as proof that he is my alt , when what Siegfried was clearly referring to was his previous deleted comment about the labour camps and not mine . A comment that Dom himself had seen and deleted so i don't know how Dom made this mistake .
https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
It was corrected by the explanation that Siegfried was referencing his own comment not mine. DOM somehow thinks Siegfried was talking about my comment when he clearly saw that he was referencing his own earlier comment about the labor camps. https://unscored.arete.network/c/KotakuInAction/p/17tLFjcODg/x/c/4ZCaGh0s3gE/
It was contested, not corrected.
Great. Now can you bring this to his attention in a civil and normal way? Because every moderator is just going to ignore you if bring it like "FUCK YOU YOU WORTHLESS PIECE OF SHIT YOU WERE WRONG ABOUT THIS DIE IN A FIRE FAGGOT". As OK, this guy is obviously a lunatic. Even if you're completely right.
I think anyone would get emotional if they were wrongly accused of something they didn't do...
Explain to me this, how am I an alt when both me and Yoshi have years worth of posting history and I use Conpro and he doesn't?
No, it still really looks like he was referring to your comment.
BUT, looking at this, it's arguable enough. It could go either way, he's not being clear enough in the comment to know which one he's referencing.
So, I can see the argument. I'll remove the note
Thank you.