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We’re going to lose freedom of speech because some students said something antisemitic. Now what if the Israeli lobby shouted those things in the first place? (twitter.com)
posted 2 years ago by NatalieBiden 2 years ago by NatalieBiden +71 / -0
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– Kienan 35 points 2 years ago +35 / -0

We’re going to lose freedom of speech...

That's a mere pretext at this point anyway, sadly. We're still doing better than elsewhere, true, but we're far from freedom.

because some students said something antisemitic.

"Antisemitic." It's amazing words like that are given such power. "Racism" was bad enough, this is getting even more ridiculous.

I hope they keep trotting out the "Antisemitism is a mental illness" line, that shit is hilarious...and triggers my accelerationism big time.

So much of the right claims to be pro-logic and anti-SJW, but then they just turn out to be Zionist neocon shills, which are capable of about as much logic as the SJWs they claim to oppose. I'm glad these retards are getting exposed, at least.

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– deleted 16 points 2 years ago +16 / -0
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– AgilePickle1123 17 points 2 years ago +17 / -0

Yeah you’re absolutely correct. If you hang around normies like I do you get to see it happen in real time. “Did you hear about those protestors? I’m all for defending against genocide but hate speech is not ok!”

Hearing shit like that makes me want to slap the shit out of them and remind them that all speech is free speech.

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– AntonioOfVenice 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Is this a topic of dinner table conversation in the US? I've heard barely anyone talk about it on the other side of the ocean.

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– undecidedmask2 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

No, just mentioned in passing. A lot of normies are more confused about why all these asians, latinx, blacks and Whites are protesting for Palestine instead of:

A) Being neutral

B) Being neutral but wanting Israel and Hamas to not kill kids

C) Pro Israel

D) Actively cheering for them to blow themselves up

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

D) Actively cheering for them to blow themselves up

This doesn't seem like a very normie opinion. Normies get persuaded by the media that one side is good and that the other side is bad. There's no such thing as neutrality from them - there's only silence when the media haven't instructed them on what views they should hold.

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– undecidedmask2 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Maybe. The few I know that hold that opinion might just be secretly "our guys". As for the neutral ones, they don't know whether or not to cheer for the browns or the jews.

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– deleted 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0
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– Kienan 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

Anti-semitism is how they're going to backdoor hate speech law into practice

I'm kind of surprised at the pivot. I guess Oct 7 gave them an excuse, or something. They seemed all in on the "mis/dis/mal-information" bullshit. Then we're right back to the tried and true "antisemitism." I guess it's a one-two punch.

...they'll weaponise groups like the ADL much more than they already have.

I'd say the ADL is very willing and able to weaponize itself already.

General PSA again for you Americans because I'm British and I know how all this works, seriously, be very, very fucking careful towards November. They are going to be looking for any excuse to use this as a way to target Trump supporters...

Firstly, good advice, but we're not there quite yet. One or two people might get swept up - it's already happened - but we're still not in anywhere near as much danger as you guys.

Secondly, not to sound like an Internet Tough Guy, but...fuck 'em. We've got free speech, whether they want to admit it or not. I'll say what I want; they've taken so much else, I'm not going to let them take my thoughts. I'm not violent, I'm not looking to martyr myself in any violent fashion, but free speech has always been one of my core values, and I'll stand for it on general principle. If they want to come get me for my speech, they're welcome to. And, while I doubt it will ever come to it, or anything close to it, I'd like to think I'll have the courage to not take a federal plea...because that shit is bullshit. I hate to see people go down for noncrimes just because the feds got involved.

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– AntonioOfVenice 5 points 2 years ago +5 / -0

I'd like to think I'll have the courage to not take a federal plea...because that shit is bullshit. I hate to see people go down for noncrimes just because the feds got involved.

How ironic. The federal constitution was written by people who were trying very hard to build in protections against tyranny.

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– AntonioOfVenice 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

We're still doing better than elsewhere

It's hardly possible to do worse than Europe. Well, Western Europe. Russia seems to arrest fewer people than Britain.

"Antisemitic." It's amazing words like that are given such power. "Racism" was bad enough, this is getting even more ridiculous.

Tale as old as time. Heresy had the same.

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– trump4151 3 points 2 years ago +3 / -0

Indeed, and heresy was an accusation used by the controlling religious order, so if anti-semitism is used against us now, that means the new controlling religious order is....

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– elleand202 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Russia seems to arrest fewer people than Britain.

Try protesting against the war in Ukraine. It's just that the Russian and western regimes have different priorities. But don't confuse that with benevolence.

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– AntonioOfVenice 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I think it's very naive to think of states as 'benevolent'. I certainly don't think of Russia, or any state, that way.As for protesting against the war in Ukraine, there was a woman who did that by disrupting a live TV news report to protest against it. She got... a fine.

Meanwhile, in Germany they're threatening to arrest people who use the letter 'Z'.

The fact that a country that's actually at work and in an existential conflict goes easier on dissent than do Western European countries show just how bad things are here.

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– Smith1980 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

I despise stupid teenage protesters but freedom of speech isn’t there to protect only what you want to hear

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– MLGS 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

I'd be more upset if talking about 13/50 or IQ tests hadn't been a retroactive felony in the court of public opinion for the last 15 years, but these new rules are much more likely to hurt communists than decent people.

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– Benevolentdictator 9 points 2 years ago +9 / -0

I think the whole Israeli/Palestine is all fake and gay (though it would be nice if they'd stop dropping bombs on civilians).

But I don't think Max Blumenthal can really be objective wrt the conflict. He has a real hate boner for all things Israel and his outlet is essentially a one-note editorial bent.

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– AntonioOfVenice 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

He's definitely not objective, nor would he claim to be. What made me respect him is how he defended Jan 6 protesters and opposed Russiagate.

My standards for good guys and bad guys aren't "does he agree with me" (I'm pro-Israel), but is this guy honest to the best of his ability and does he have courage. That's the kind of person the regime hates.

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– when_we_win_remember 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

I'd always rather hear from one guy who hates Israel and one guy that loves it than two guys who are nuanced. It's easier to understand one side at a time than listen to somebody who's already mentally trying to balance it.

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– AntonioOfVenice 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

"Kill the Jews" is legal free speech under Brandenburg, as long as it is not an imminent call for violence - e.g. if there are some Jews standing right there and you're inciting a mob right there and then to go kill them.

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– GiveThemNothing 6 points 2 years ago +6 / -0

Would not be surprised if the “antisemitic” remarks came from a plant.

Not the first one being caught on video:

https://youtu.be/yCmeDW9l_W0?si=8119U8tEK2s2PmVS

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– trump4151 4 points 2 years ago +4 / -0

Im sure if we vote for Trump "stand with israel" harder, this will all go away lol

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– KeeperOfTheGate 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

OTOH, perhaps this will be a redpill moment for many on the other side.

But no, probably not.

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– alucard13mmfmj 2 points 2 years ago +2 / -0

Its just hilarious watching woke fight each other. Support israel, you are islamaphobic and genocide. Support palestine, you are anti semetic. Lolol.

Fuck these people. Mostly rich, bored white kids doing this kinda crap likr always.

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– chaosbydesign 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

Did they just repeat back the mic check at the start of this clip?

NPC doesn't even begin to describe these sorts of people.

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– TeeBP 1 point 2 years ago +1 / -0

All part of the plan. Allow things to get so bad until you finally hit the hammer extremely hard.

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– deleted 60 points 2 years ago +60 / -0
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– MargarineMongoose 35 points 2 years ago +35 / -0

Every single person who pushes for them should be treated as the traitors to the nation that they are.

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– SparkMandrill83 19 points 2 years ago +19 / -0

The GOP is gonna have a lot of empty seats when we're done

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– Vicious_snek6 13 points 2 years ago +13 / -0

fuck carthage, those semites are just the worst. Well, other than...

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