It seems they, in fact, resulted in higher excess mortality than ''not fucking people over'' ( Sweden ).
No government who lockdowned want to admit this. They all parrot the same line of ''they had to do it to save lives'' (lies ) and ''the healthcare system would have collapsed without lockdowns'' ( another lie, lockdowns worsened problems ).
Yeah it was a massive shift in power balance. I can’t think of a single country that didn’t lose power to their government over Covid and now we are starting to see the fruits of their endeavors
technically, if we look at places like australia, locking down so hard that you completely shut down your country and prevent people from associating did in fact reduce the spread. that is until they declared Victory on the pandemic and opened up, where there was a massive Spike in infections all at once.
they fuck their people over, and all they did was delay the wave of infections that everyone else had.
Australia is an island. Its the same for japan and nz. Islands can just defend against spread of foreign illnesses easier if they completely shut everything down and dont let anyone in.
It's very different for countries with land borders. Even if the humans don't spread it, the animals might
I think you are referring to their culpability in being the origin of covid (?). I was referring to how they kept their people in lockdown for far longer than the rest of the world and kept dragging out the infections.
I'm referring to their covid numbers. They didn't delay shit. They just fudged the numbers. Fever meds were in short stock and colleagues in china had to get us to send them some. Their deaths for covid dropped to 0 after april 2020 and stayed 0 for a year. That's not possible when they kept having outbreaks even ones they admitted
Also, having lived through all that, there's no way it was worth any of it - from being told that we couldn't even leave the country (nevermind getting back in), to people not being able to go to work across state borders (we have cities and towns that straddle them), to people who I know not being able to attend family funerals, to me not getting to see my grandfather in the nursing home before he died (as an unvaxxed plague rat, you see) - it was an evil, truly morally repugnant time, and all for a virus that spread like wildfire anyway, and yet had a mortality rate about as bad as the flu.
None of it was worth it. At all. And that includes their eventual, much-delayed "solution" to the borders.
And i say that as an "immunocompromised" person. I was shamed and almost physically attacked by extended family for my "vaccine stance", and I will never forgive them for that, let alone the grandfather thing. Never...
So yeah, I wouldn't be defending any of the actions that "our" government took, at this point.
Most of the healthcare advice for covid, as it turns out, was done by people who had no business giving those orders. They were not doctors, or virologists, and were merely guessing as to what could work.
The six feet/2 meters apart BS was just plucked from the sky as 'yeah maybe that'd work' and was implemented in every store you went to.
As we found out only recently, some of the 'experts' were just friends of the politicians who were tasked with handling covid, and had interesting job titles, but absolutely no idea how to handle something like this. So it was all guess work. Coming directly from the CDC and WHO.
Your comment implies doctors could have given productive advice re: covid. They could not.
The medical professional class are as bad as journalists. Medical personnel are arguably worse: they have degrees, certifications, high salaries, and the ability to surreptitiously kill people. Their delusions of grandeur are validated at every turn.
That could be on account of the ones that refused the shot are no longer in the field as doctors.
They weeded out the ones that thought for themselves and kept the yes men.
So anything that happens now, all they have to do is just send an order, and know it will be done, even if the outcome means death. That didn't matter. We're all disposable.
That process happened in the 90s, if not earlier. Elaborate reimbursement schemes mean only complicit individuals are in the system. Most of them likely don't view it that way, meaning the medical class is also full of midwits.
Speaking of people who had no business in healthcare, it did seem like a lot of the early bad reactions from the injections were nurses not injecting the stuff properly, or in the wrong place. Not that you want that poison in you at all...
From top down it was handled so poorly you'd almost think it was by design that an entire system that can handle it just decided not to for some reason.
One of the things FDA reviews (or is supposed to review) prior to clearing or approving drugs or medical devices is the risk resulting from misuse. Something which is easy to misuse or where there would be severe consequences resulting from misuse is supposed to be mitigated prior to clearance/approval.
FDA also requires (or is supposed to require) that manufacturers keep track of this post-market, so if the probability of misuse or severity of harm resulting from misuse is higher than expected, that can also trigger corrective actions (recalls and withdrawals of approval in the most severe cases).
Though of course, as we've seen, the normal rules completely went out the window for this thing. Which considering all the stupid shit I had to implement in (far less dangerous) medical devices to prevent (far less harmful) misuse kinda pisses me off.
Scientismo vaxxweasel is still using the language of 'most vaxx good, honest!' and 'right-wing bad, rurr!' in the hopes of getting his cushy Harvard job back. Despite stating that vaxx mandates are essentially religious dogma, he doesn't question any of the bogus data that he leans on for his continued simping for certain vaccines, such as the one he does like (J&J).
They smell the tide turning. Termites like this are looking to exploit the trust vacuum created by our institutions imploding, by saying 'the bad ones are humiliated now, time to trust ME!' Had the powers that be crafted a narrative that wasn't quite so abrasive to this guy's cognitive dissonance or, more likely, had they allowed him to feast from the same Pfizer-funded trough, he would have been among their silent cheerleaders or even their vocal crusaders. Indeed many of these born again dissidents WERE like that back in 2021, berating the vaxx hesitant on TV and in news columns, like Aseem Malhotra and Angus Dalgliesh (those 2 in particular have said nothing about what cunts they were back then).
This is what the Harvard guy said as part of the op-ed that got him pushed off the CDC panel, for arguing against a pause to the J&J vaxx:
"The COVID-19 vaccines provide excellent protection, and we cannot afford more such (sic) unwarranted vaccine skepticism."
I don't care that this guy pays lip service to the unethical nature of mandates, because I can see the wide open backdoors into his psyche that are still open to exploitation by the next psyop. Neither he nor his former colleagues should ever have any social or political power. Fuck this guy, fuck doctors, fuck academics, no exceptions.
Lockdowns did not reduce the spread of SARS-2.
It seems they, in fact, resulted in higher excess mortality than ''not fucking people over'' ( Sweden ).
No government who lockdowned want to admit this. They all parrot the same line of ''they had to do it to save lives'' (lies ) and ''the healthcare system would have collapsed without lockdowns'' ( another lie, lockdowns worsened problems ).
Lockdowns weren't about reducing the spread of covid. They were about stealing a Presidential election.
and crushing small businesses, transferring wealth into the hands of a few multi-nationals
Yeah it was a massive shift in power balance. I can’t think of a single country that didn’t lose power to their government over Covid and now we are starting to see the fruits of their endeavors
technically, if we look at places like australia, locking down so hard that you completely shut down your country and prevent people from associating did in fact reduce the spread. that is until they declared Victory on the pandemic and opened up, where there was a massive Spike in infections all at once.
they fuck their people over, and all they did was delay the wave of infections that everyone else had.
Australia is an island. Its the same for japan and nz. Islands can just defend against spread of foreign illnesses easier if they completely shut everything down and dont let anyone in.
It's very different for countries with land borders. Even if the humans don't spread it, the animals might
China experienced that too. All the hardcore lockdown accomplished was a delay of the inevitable.
Nah china was always lying
I think you are referring to their culpability in being the origin of covid (?). I was referring to how they kept their people in lockdown for far longer than the rest of the world and kept dragging out the infections.
I'm referring to their covid numbers. They didn't delay shit. They just fudged the numbers. Fever meds were in short stock and colleagues in china had to get us to send them some. Their deaths for covid dropped to 0 after april 2020 and stayed 0 for a year. That's not possible when they kept having outbreaks even ones they admitted
Oh, yes, 0 dead was a lie.
You mean locking down the border
that certainly helped
Bit of an understatement
It wasn't the lockdowns that did what you said - it was closing the borders. The lockdowns came after they fucked up.
It's very important to get that right, as pointed out in other comments.
The two things are very much not the same.
Source: I live(d) here, on an island, and I saw it fucking happen, lol.
Also, having lived through all that, there's no way it was worth any of it - from being told that we couldn't even leave the country (nevermind getting back in), to people not being able to go to work across state borders (we have cities and towns that straddle them), to people who I know not being able to attend family funerals, to me not getting to see my grandfather in the nursing home before he died (as an unvaxxed plague rat, you see) - it was an evil, truly morally repugnant time, and all for a virus that spread like wildfire anyway, and yet had a mortality rate about as bad as the flu.
None of it was worth it. At all. And that includes their eventual, much-delayed "solution" to the borders.
And i say that as an "immunocompromised" person. I was shamed and almost physically attacked by extended family for my "vaccine stance", and I will never forgive them for that, let alone the grandfather thing. Never...
So yeah, I wouldn't be defending any of the actions that "our" government took, at this point.
/endrant
Most of the healthcare advice for covid, as it turns out, was done by people who had no business giving those orders. They were not doctors, or virologists, and were merely guessing as to what could work.
The six feet/2 meters apart BS was just plucked from the sky as 'yeah maybe that'd work' and was implemented in every store you went to.
As we found out only recently, some of the 'experts' were just friends of the politicians who were tasked with handling covid, and had interesting job titles, but absolutely no idea how to handle something like this. So it was all guess work. Coming directly from the CDC and WHO.
Your comment implies doctors could have given productive advice re: covid. They could not.
The medical professional class are as bad as journalists. Medical personnel are arguably worse: they have degrees, certifications, high salaries, and the ability to surreptitiously kill people. Their delusions of grandeur are validated at every turn.
That could be on account of the ones that refused the shot are no longer in the field as doctors.
They weeded out the ones that thought for themselves and kept the yes men.
So anything that happens now, all they have to do is just send an order, and know it will be done, even if the outcome means death. That didn't matter. We're all disposable.
That process happened in the 90s, if not earlier. Elaborate reimbursement schemes mean only complicit individuals are in the system. Most of them likely don't view it that way, meaning the medical class is also full of midwits.
Speaking of people who had no business in healthcare, it did seem like a lot of the early bad reactions from the injections were nurses not injecting the stuff properly, or in the wrong place. Not that you want that poison in you at all...
From top down it was handled so poorly you'd almost think it was by design that an entire system that can handle it just decided not to for some reason.
One of the things FDA reviews (or is supposed to review) prior to clearing or approving drugs or medical devices is the risk resulting from misuse. Something which is easy to misuse or where there would be severe consequences resulting from misuse is supposed to be mitigated prior to clearance/approval.
FDA also requires (or is supposed to require) that manufacturers keep track of this post-market, so if the probability of misuse or severity of harm resulting from misuse is higher than expected, that can also trigger corrective actions (recalls and withdrawals of approval in the most severe cases).
Though of course, as we've seen, the normal rules completely went out the window for this thing. Which considering all the stupid shit I had to implement in (far less dangerous) medical devices to prevent (far less harmful) misuse kinda pisses me off.
Scientismo vaxxweasel is still using the language of 'most vaxx good, honest!' and 'right-wing bad, rurr!' in the hopes of getting his cushy Harvard job back. Despite stating that vaxx mandates are essentially religious dogma, he doesn't question any of the bogus data that he leans on for his continued simping for certain vaccines, such as the one he does like (J&J).
They smell the tide turning. Termites like this are looking to exploit the trust vacuum created by our institutions imploding, by saying 'the bad ones are humiliated now, time to trust ME!' Had the powers that be crafted a narrative that wasn't quite so abrasive to this guy's cognitive dissonance or, more likely, had they allowed him to feast from the same Pfizer-funded trough, he would have been among their silent cheerleaders or even their vocal crusaders. Indeed many of these born again dissidents WERE like that back in 2021, berating the vaxx hesitant on TV and in news columns, like Aseem Malhotra and Angus Dalgliesh (those 2 in particular have said nothing about what cunts they were back then).
This is what the Harvard guy said as part of the op-ed that got him pushed off the CDC panel, for arguing against a pause to the J&J vaxx:
I don't care that this guy pays lip service to the unethical nature of mandates, because I can see the wide open backdoors into his psyche that are still open to exploitation by the next psyop. Neither he nor his former colleagues should ever have any social or political power. Fuck this guy, fuck doctors, fuck academics, no exceptions.
Badthink is doubleplus ungood.
The truth will not be tolerated!