men raising another man's child is our existential threat. it means we waste our life and resources on someone else's offspring. which is why men are so repulsed by the idea. It's costs us our entire reproductive life.
women raising the genetic spawn of men they consider losers or beneath them is their existential (sexual) threat. It means she chose wrong and will be physically and financially dependent on a loser that might get her and her children killed.
Women addressed their situation using laws, as they rule the nation, as they are the majority of voters. Men have no legal way to address their existential threat. Women like it this way. This works to women's desires and instincts at the cost of men, which they are fine with.
Everyone in that thread forgets about the child in question, who deserves the best documentation of the circumstances of their birth that is available.
"Trust! Trust! Trust!"
Women are really good liars, and unilateral trust won't alert your kid to an unforeseen heart condition or special medical circumstances like any kind of a valid transplant if that statistic of 1 in 10-25 illegitimacy rate is correct. Whoredom is harmful.
The real question is why they dislike the idea of being accountable so much that they would deprive a child of his identity? Why is it crucial that austerity go unprotected?
Sure, I'm fine with letting them track down the deadbeat Chads they let raw dog them if they want to grift. At least then the men who benefit from this fucked up SMP are the ones bearing the cost. But we shouldn't pretend that child support has anything to do with the child. The courts don't give a fuck how it's spent, so it's just a no strings attached paycheck for mother. As it happens women usually don't extort their alpha baby daddies because they desperately want to get (back) together with them. It's the betas that they target, because getting the meal ticket without having to tolerate the beta's existence is the goal from the get go. Bonus points if she tricks the beta into paying for the alpha's kids, which is why they hate paternity tests to begin with.
Women's self-interest is to breed with the best genetics she can and also mate long-term with a good $$$ provider. Frequently, this is two different men. So, they cuckold the beta and are generally quite pleased with themselves.
There's part of this that tends to get overlooked, which is the non-verbal nature of it all; their patterns of action tend to reflect this, but they also tend to genuinely believe their own bullshit.
They tend to see men as characters, archetypes, which are prone to drastic change - too drastic to not have rigid societal rules to dictate roles. With children they tend to see them as extensions of themselves (if all is right hormonally), but selfishness will always muddy the waters in pernicious ways if their environment enables them and in conjunction with self-destructive behaviors, the child is also destroyed.
The only way women can be made right is if the social game is corrected. I think a step in the right direction may start with mandatory paternity tests.
Only idiotic thing the man did was not discuss testing before engagement and impregnation. In the comments are well constructed fables about men projecting, and similar groupthink* shaming. Catty women and male orbiters only deal in subjective convenience and fragility validation, so I have no good faith that more than a fraction of a percentage of upvoters are capable of contextual honesty. Scroll down and some disagreement is upvoted.
* Hivemind is less awkward to say than groupthink in conversation, but I hate reducing the elegance of bee/ant eusociality to the level of sub-apes*
Something that ALWAYS gets missed in these discussions- it's important to know who is descended from who to prevent inbreeding. A lot of black communities are highly inbred because they cheat or are promiscuous and don't keep track of lineage- accidentally end up breeding with cousins, siblings or possibly even offspring/parents.
On one side... The well reasoned arguments in favor of men having a semblance of reproductive rights and the basic humanity of preventing the horrible generational damage paternity fraud causes to men and children.
With no logical arguments, it came down to women manipulating the "it hurts my feelings" angle.
Believe me if somehow women could carry someone's elses baby if the man cheated, they'd insist the tests be legally mandated and the man forced to pay for them.
Let's be honest here. Even if they did become mandatory it wouldn't mean jack shit without fixing the family courts. The worst mistake a man can make is putting himself in a position where his future depends on a family court ruling against a woman.
I mean yeah and at the same time I know people who have managed to divorce without slugging it out. Including my own parents. I feel like if you are a bit careful up front this is at least much, much less likely to happen to you.
It's not fair. I'm not saying it's fair. I'm saying you can be smart.
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men raising another man's child is our existential threat. it means we waste our life and resources on someone else's offspring. which is why men are so repulsed by the idea. It's costs us our entire reproductive life.
women raising the genetic spawn of men they consider losers or beneath them is their existential (sexual) threat. It means she chose wrong and will be physically and financially dependent on a loser that might get her and her children killed.
Women addressed their situation using laws, as they rule the nation, as they are the majority of voters. Men have no legal way to address their existential threat. Women like it this way. This works to women's desires and instincts at the cost of men, which they are fine with.
Everyone in that thread forgets about the child in question, who deserves the best documentation of the circumstances of their birth that is available.
"Trust! Trust! Trust!"
Women are really good liars, and unilateral trust won't alert your kid to an unforeseen heart condition or special medical circumstances like any kind of a valid transplant if that statistic of 1 in 10-25 illegitimacy rate is correct. Whoredom is harmful.
The real question is why they dislike the idea of being accountable so much that they would deprive a child of his identity? Why is it crucial that austerity go unprotected?
"The child in question" is the pretext they use to keep Cuckold paying through the nose to support the whore. They don't view men as human.
The child in question should get child support from their true parents, both of them.
Sure, I'm fine with letting them track down the deadbeat Chads they let raw dog them if they want to grift. At least then the men who benefit from this fucked up SMP are the ones bearing the cost. But we shouldn't pretend that child support has anything to do with the child. The courts don't give a fuck how it's spent, so it's just a no strings attached paycheck for mother. As it happens women usually don't extort their alpha baby daddies because they desperately want to get (back) together with them. It's the betas that they target, because getting the meal ticket without having to tolerate the beta's existence is the goal from the get go. Bonus points if she tricks the beta into paying for the alpha's kids, which is why they hate paternity tests to begin with.
Women's self-interest is to breed with the best genetics she can and also mate long-term with a good $$$ provider. Frequently, this is two different men. So, they cuckold the beta and are generally quite pleased with themselves.
There's part of this that tends to get overlooked, which is the non-verbal nature of it all; their patterns of action tend to reflect this, but they also tend to genuinely believe their own bullshit.
They tend to see men as characters, archetypes, which are prone to drastic change - too drastic to not have rigid societal rules to dictate roles. With children they tend to see them as extensions of themselves (if all is right hormonally), but selfishness will always muddy the waters in pernicious ways if their environment enables them and in conjunction with self-destructive behaviors, the child is also destroyed.
The only way women can be made right is if the social game is corrected. I think a step in the right direction may start with mandatory paternity tests.
Their grift always comes before male humanity. Remember this whenever someone tries to dissuade you from MGTOW.
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Only idiotic thing the man did was not discuss testing before engagement and impregnation. In the comments are well constructed fables about men projecting, and similar groupthink* shaming. Catty women and male orbiters only deal in subjective convenience and fragility validation, so I have no good faith that more than a fraction of a percentage of upvoters are capable of contextual honesty. Scroll down and some disagreement is upvoted.
* Hivemind is less awkward to say than groupthink in conversation, but I hate reducing the elegance of bee/ant eusociality to the level of sub-apes*
Something that ALWAYS gets missed in these discussions- it's important to know who is descended from who to prevent inbreeding. A lot of black communities are highly inbred because they cheat or are promiscuous and don't keep track of lineage- accidentally end up breeding with cousins, siblings or possibly even offspring/parents.
On one side... The well reasoned arguments in favor of men having a semblance of reproductive rights and the basic humanity of preventing the horrible generational damage paternity fraud causes to men and children.
On the other side... Muh feelings!
Guess which side always wins....
The guys occassionally start to win, at which point the the mods delete their comments and/or ben them to give the appearance that the women won.
It went how every gender warfare debate goes.
With no logical arguments, it came down to women manipulating the "it hurts my feelings" angle.
Believe me if somehow women could carry someone's elses baby if the man cheated, they'd insist the tests be legally mandated and the man forced to pay for them.
I have mixed feelings about this. A paternity test proving psycho bitch and lunatic are the parents means fostering that much worse.
Let's be honest here. Even if they did become mandatory it wouldn't mean jack shit without fixing the family courts. The worst mistake a man can make is putting himself in a position where his future depends on a family court ruling against a woman.
I mean yeah and at the same time I know people who have managed to divorce without slugging it out. Including my own parents. I feel like if you are a bit careful up front this is at least much, much less likely to happen to you.
It's not fair. I'm not saying it's fair. I'm saying you can be smart.