Yes!!!!!! A victory for actual book fans who despise this “I’m going to bring out lgbt content” or “I’m a male feminist” showrunner. Also to all the people in comments sections who attacked me for saying that it was ridiculous for a small isolated town to be multiracial and that once they leave they come across different cultures
That was the argument I made as well. It's a rural village, Two Rivers, why they fuck did they make it like 2020 London? Everyone would be the same ethnicity after a couple generations. So.. are we to infer this world is super metropolitan in travel? Or, that Two Rivers is highly insular and clannish? It's the same glaring problem with Rings of Power. Why the fuck does this small hobbit clan have ridiculous levels of disparity? In a theme (fantasy) that already requires you to suspend disbelief, it just sucks you outta the show.
Though with WoT, that was just a drop in the bucket. The opening montage already slayed the magic system and heirarchy. I didn't make it through the first episode it was such trash. Rand not even feeling like a main character.
I haven’t watched but I’ve been told it is obvious that it is downplaying the males. And as I’ve said before in the books they meet different people of different countries and cultures so it was dumber to race swap.
Perrin: a young Val Kilmer [never mind his physique]
or this information is interesting too:
Q: How big are the cities in The Wheel of Time?
Robert Jordan: Tar Valon has 500,000 people and cities like Caemlyn and Tear are around 300,000 or so. I've envisioned a seventeenth century society and you've got to remember that for those times 300,000 would be huge. Some Asian cities of that period had populations near one million but nothing in Europe was even close.
So, according to him, the whole story takes place in 'Europe'...
I remember seeing that. Just goes to further show the contempt they have for source material. They do meet some people of other races/cultures but like you said the vast majority in the books are white
You can bet that if Caemlyn or the Seanchan had been treated like the sore thumbs they were to the Two Rivers lot then the same wokesters whining about any lack of diversity would have complained about characters treating various groups differently because of the blatant differences in appearances, despite that being the entire point of a coming of age story.
Caemlyn is the first big city/capital the Two Rivers group encounter while travelling to Tar Valon, which is itself described as the only city more beautiful than Caemlyn. Even the prior travel through Whitebridge is dwarfed in every possible way despite the actual White Bridge itself being a wonder to behold.
While still a part of Andor as the Two Rivers is, Caemlyn is more about the sheer scale of difference between the rural hamlet the main characters are from and one of the most important cities in Rand land. Two Rivers had several dozen families who grew up expecting to both marry someone from the village and live there until they died of old age. Caemlyn had 300'000 people living there and being the capital of Andor was a political focus for both Aes Sedai and the other nations of the land. Any outside visitor to Two Rivers was a cause for talk amongst the townsfolk while Caemlyn regularly received visitors from all over the continent this side of the Aiel Waste. While the locals won't really care too much about this as it's a daily occurrence to see people from other nations, Rand and the others would due to both the quality and quantity of those coming and going.
Plus as the group travel through the city it coincides with Logain being escorted by Aes Sedai, something significant enough even the locals respond. So Rand's group definitely witness a very different culture despite living in the same nation.
Yes I am aware of all of that, I was just under the impression that while Caemlyn was certainly a metropolitan city, and the first real city our wool-gathering sheep herding protagonist had ever encountered, the residents of Caemlyn weren't really a different ethnicity, such as people from Cairhein were. That's all.
Believe it or not fans of the series I think hate it more because of how disloyal it is to the original, not necessarily because of the woke shoehorning.
That said, the woke shoehorning was what repelled me from it, as a non-fan of the series. The ugly actors, the weird gay insertions, I don't even know of the original material was gay and I could tell how badly it was inserted that it wasn't genuine.
The books were great and I keep hearing how they change things due to the showrunner’s feminist obsession. Gay stuff is mentioned in the book but not really a focus in the books and a small part but of course modern day entertainment will change that. I definitely recommend the books when you have the time
I couldn’t make it through the first episode. Small village looked like Brooklyn, then some ugly brown woman was supposed to be so beautiful that men lusted after her or something.
But it's good to know officially that fans and other viewers do not want to see blackwashed characters, castrated male characters, ruined-twisted storylines etc.
63% less compared to the previous season, or is it 63% decline between the viewers of the first episode of the new season and those who stayed until the end?
Because if the 63% is by comparing two different seasons, then I think that a large proportion of that number could be explained simply by the fact that there are fewer people watching streaming series now than there used to be, because the general quality of everything available has been in a constant downward spiral, and even normies are realizing that and reacting accordingly.
The data I could find says they're seeing a collapse in viewership episode on episode. The numbers are hard to parse for me. They measure millions of minutes streamed of the whole show, and they don't track episodes, but they infer based on the release schedule that viewership dropped. I'm sure you can get them via search if you want.
You cannot post 'negative' comments into the main subs (sometimes they let you do this, but later the posts will disappear...), they even banned WOT4ALL, which was a very, very small community.
Yes!!!!!! A victory for actual book fans who despise this “I’m going to bring out lgbt content” or “I’m a male feminist” showrunner. Also to all the people in comments sections who attacked me for saying that it was ridiculous for a small isolated town to be multiracial and that once they leave they come across different cultures
That was the argument I made as well. It's a rural village, Two Rivers, why they fuck did they make it like 2020 London? Everyone would be the same ethnicity after a couple generations. So.. are we to infer this world is super metropolitan in travel? Or, that Two Rivers is highly insular and clannish? It's the same glaring problem with Rings of Power. Why the fuck does this small hobbit clan have ridiculous levels of disparity? In a theme (fantasy) that already requires you to suspend disbelief, it just sucks you outta the show.
Though with WoT, that was just a drop in the bucket. The opening montage already slayed the magic system and heirarchy. I didn't make it through the first episode it was such trash. Rand not even feeling like a main character.
I haven’t watched but I’ve been told it is obvious that it is downplaying the males. And as I’ve said before in the books they meet different people of different countries and cultures so it was dumber to race swap.
They've sidelined Rand hard. He's in a severe Henry Cavill situation. Guy read the books and wanted to do them justice. Shame nobody else did either.
I didn’t know that about the dude that played Rand. That sucks
Yea some scenes you can tell his frustration is palpable.
Jordan depicted the (main) characters (90-95+% as white (and heterosexual)) in the books, and he wrote a list too (a few examples):
Egwene: Audrey Hepburn at age 18
Nynaeve: a young Jacqueline Bisset
Min: Isabella Rossellini
Lan: Liam Neeson in one of his craggier roles
Siuan (after stilling): Renee Zellweger (before appearance change)
Padan Fain: Alan Rickman
Perrin: a young Val Kilmer [never mind his physique]
or this information is interesting too:
Q: How big are the cities in The Wheel of Time?
Robert Jordan: Tar Valon has 500,000 people and cities like Caemlyn and Tear are around 300,000 or so. I've envisioned a seventeenth century society and you've got to remember that for those times 300,000 would be huge. Some Asian cities of that period had populations near one million but nothing in Europe was even close.
So, according to him, the whole story takes place in 'Europe'...
Oh man, this hurts and it could have happened.
I remember seeing that. Just goes to further show the contempt they have for source material. They do meet some people of other races/cultures but like you said the vast majority in the books are white
You can bet that if Caemlyn or the Seanchan had been treated like the sore thumbs they were to the Two Rivers lot then the same wokesters whining about any lack of diversity would have complained about characters treating various groups differently because of the blatant differences in appearances, despite that being the entire point of a coming of age story.
Exactly. One theme I loved about the books was that men and women were different and they work best by working together.
Isn't it Cairehieners that have a different look, not people from Caemlyn?
Caemlyn is the first big city/capital the Two Rivers group encounter while travelling to Tar Valon, which is itself described as the only city more beautiful than Caemlyn. Even the prior travel through Whitebridge is dwarfed in every possible way despite the actual White Bridge itself being a wonder to behold.
While still a part of Andor as the Two Rivers is, Caemlyn is more about the sheer scale of difference between the rural hamlet the main characters are from and one of the most important cities in Rand land. Two Rivers had several dozen families who grew up expecting to both marry someone from the village and live there until they died of old age. Caemlyn had 300'000 people living there and being the capital of Andor was a political focus for both Aes Sedai and the other nations of the land. Any outside visitor to Two Rivers was a cause for talk amongst the townsfolk while Caemlyn regularly received visitors from all over the continent this side of the Aiel Waste. While the locals won't really care too much about this as it's a daily occurrence to see people from other nations, Rand and the others would due to both the quality and quantity of those coming and going.
Plus as the group travel through the city it coincides with Logain being escorted by Aes Sedai, something significant enough even the locals respond. So Rand's group definitely witness a very different culture despite living in the same nation.
Yes I am aware of all of that, I was just under the impression that while Caemlyn was certainly a metropolitan city, and the first real city our wool-gathering sheep herding protagonist had ever encountered, the residents of Caemlyn weren't really a different ethnicity, such as people from Cairhein were. That's all.
Believe it or not fans of the series I think hate it more because of how disloyal it is to the original, not necessarily because of the woke shoehorning.
That said, the woke shoehorning was what repelled me from it, as a non-fan of the series. The ugly actors, the weird gay insertions, I don't even know of the original material was gay and I could tell how badly it was inserted that it wasn't genuine.
The books were great and I keep hearing how they change things due to the showrunner’s feminist obsession. Gay stuff is mentioned in the book but not really a focus in the books and a small part but of course modern day entertainment will change that. I definitely recommend the books when you have the time
I couldn’t make it through the first episode. Small village looked like Brooklyn, then some ugly brown woman was supposed to be so beautiful that men lusted after her or something.
Complete joke.
The regeal young Wise Woman that kept others in line. Yep ruined right off the start.
Same. Bailed right away, thought welp, it's already a steaming turd and will only get worse.
Glad I didn't wait around to see if it got any better.
That's less than I expected
But it's good to know officially that fans and other viewers do not want to see blackwashed characters, castrated male characters, ruined-twisted storylines etc.
But at least it’s something. I’d like to think that at some point some top exec sees what happens when you let activist scum adapt a book series
63% of what? 30 people?
41% of that already checked themselves out.
So the same rate of loss as Rings of Power, but likely with a much lower starting value to begin with?
My bet is they'll double down on Woke and blame the audience for being misogynist Nazi adjacent MAGA extremists.
63% less compared to the previous season, or is it 63% decline between the viewers of the first episode of the new season and those who stayed until the end?
Because if the 63% is by comparing two different seasons, then I think that a large proportion of that number could be explained simply by the fact that there are fewer people watching streaming series now than there used to be, because the general quality of everything available has been in a constant downward spiral, and even normies are realizing that and reacting accordingly.
Comparing the the first three episodes in S1 and S2.
Alright, thank you for clarifying.
So it really is comparing two different seasons, released years apart.
The data I could find says they're seeing a collapse in viewership episode on episode. The numbers are hard to parse for me. They measure millions of minutes streamed of the whole show, and they don't track episodes, but they infer based on the release schedule that viewership dropped. I'm sure you can get them via search if you want.
Next time, try being faithful to the books. Even if it makes it seem like a harem anime at times, don't care, do it.
Literally any context whatsoever? No? Then don't post.
S2 is better so maybe there's a delayed action here.
That seems better than it should be actually.
You cannot post 'negative' comments into the main subs (sometimes they let you do this, but later the posts will disappear...), they even banned WOT4ALL, which was a very, very small community.
Awesome is perhaps an exaggeration, but if S1 was like this there would be infinitely less hate, deservedly so.