Many people are starting to realize in modernity that much of what they've been told is a lie, how deep that lie goes is something many aren't ready for. That's what I mean what I say "too soon". When you realize you've been lied to, it hurts already, knowing the extent is something that might be "too soon" for many.
A girl in my office just got back from Germany and talked about Auschwitz and how 1.25m Jews died there alone. Then went on to talk about a book she read about Jewish Holocaust survivors who were able to survive because of "love". So millions of jews died but the ones who survived were able to survive because they found love. That sounds reasonable? Not a story or anything... Just love others and you too can survive millions of people being slaughtered in internment camps.
“The idea that Germans were normal people and then one day they went absolutely crazy and started randomly hating Jews for no good reason and then they calmed down and now they are normal again is hilarious”
Anyone who tells you only in Germany there was a disdain for Jews in the 19th and 20th century is trying to lie to you. I never even knew about this until I actually looked into it a couple years ago, I always learned in school only in Germany there were anti semites etc.
Anyone who tells you that antisemitism wasn't rampant in the 19th and 20th centuries is lying to you. All the books are still around. You can read them. It's not even a solely German thing.
Hillaire Belloc's 1922 book The Jews is a good look at this. Belloc wasn't a big fan of Jews, which is why he was the right man to write this - because he foresaw a genocide if things continued the way they were going, and decided that even if he didn't personally care for them, he didn't really want to see a genocide happen. It's a good look at the causes and degree of antisemitism in the early 20th century, throughout the Western world and not particular to just Germany.
The idea that the Australians were normal people, and then one day they went absolutely crazy and started blaming all their problems on the "unvaccinated", and then they calmed down is obviously impossible.
Well yeah -- pretty much all of the western world has been under a sustained propaganda campaign for the better part of a century now. They didn't just go absolutely crazy one day, they've been boiled slowly for decades.
Once you have the environment primed for a wildfire, all it takes is a spark to set it off.
Starving people to death takes time. Dachau could wipe out an entire trainload of people within 45 minutes from arrival. Having to keep people alive for weeks or even months is a huge waste of resources when you can do it in less than an hour. It also allows the camps to swell, and potentially cause rebellions. Starving people is only one aspect of an effort to kill as many people as possible in the shortest period of time.
This is what happened in the Civil War, actually; one of the few Southern PoW camps had abysmal survival rates due to the fact that they just didn't have enough goddamn food to go around.
It's been a while since I cracked open the books, but IIRC, the commander in charge of said camp was one of the only Southern commanders that was executed after the war.
so that the winners could make themselves out to be the heroes while distracting everyone from all the atrocities they committed.
I never learned about the literal tornadoes of fire that the Allies inflicted upon a civilian population center when they firebombed the ever-loving fuck out of Dresden and then gunned down the survivors fleeing in the woods the morning after. Funny how they leave that part out of the history lessons in school.
This is a new interpretation: the Zionists had the Germans intentionally starve the jews to death to get the state of Israel as an elaborate plot. This is, frankly, the dumbest way to try and get statehood that I've ever heard but okay. The other stuff about allied countries not taking in jews is true. Yes Germany didn't exactly try to deport them, as much as exile them and rob them of all their possessions in Germany. Being socialists, the jews were considered a bourgeois race that had stolen all wealth they had accrued, thus all wealth could be taken back. And they would be deported to... Madagascar: a tribal and undeveloped island after being robbed of all worldly possession. In reality, deporting was never a solution because the goal was to exterminate jews as a whole because Judeo-Bolshevism suggested that they were a plague upon all nations already, so killing them would save Europe. Deporting them, on the other hand, would keep them alive, and keep them a threat to Europe.
This also ignores the fact that the holocaust was undertaken for speed and efficiency. Same reason you shouldn't be using bullets to shoot every jew in a war: you run out of bullets when you're trying to kill all the jews in Europe. Starvation is far too slow, and requires far too much space.
Even then, if we were to say that starvation as a method of execution was the only method in the holocaust, we can see that food was not rationed so tightly that it was impossible to feed jews. American POWs and Russian POWs were also starved in different rates depending on the political animosity that the Germans may have had towards the different groups. We see the Germans doing the same thing during WW1, as killing off the vast swathes of Russian prisoners by refusing to feed them happens in both wars, but it is the Russians being directly targeted with starvation over other groups. In WW2, the Jews get worse treatment than the Russians, which is really saying something.
So, all in all, there's plenty of issues with the original statement that could be disinformation, but there's other parts that aren't, but the real problem with it is actually just the fact that OP is asserting the jews conspired to commit the holocaust against themselves for Israel (which didn't exist yet).
Different experts, different evidence. How did I know that the "experts" that Pfizer paid to research the injections were right that there was no evidence to suggest that the injections would prevent infection? Because I saw their data. The "experts" that were brought on television were just wearing stethescopes and hadn't read a single thing. How about Climate Change? Why do I believe in it, yet I'm constantly shitting on claims about Climate Change? Because I read the data?
How do I know that the Holocaust happened? Physical evidence, witness testimony, admissions of guilt, planning and objectives, statements that the National Socialists made about needing to exterminate jews long before the first death camp was built?
There's as much evidence that the Holocaust happened as there is for the fucking moonlanding. There might even be more just because of sheer scale.
As for that specific number? It's the one that's been tested in the most detailed manner possible, including using the records of train embarkations and disembarkations. It also happens to be the smallest one so far. The Camp Commandant actually thought it might have been 3 million, and reduced it down to closer to 2 before he was executed. Even his figure was too high.
Too soon? It's 80 years overdue.
Many people are starting to realize in modernity that much of what they've been told is a lie, how deep that lie goes is something many aren't ready for. That's what I mean what I say "too soon". When you realize you've been lied to, it hurts already, knowing the extent is something that might be "too soon" for many.
A girl in my office just got back from Germany and talked about Auschwitz and how 1.25m Jews died there alone. Then went on to talk about a book she read about Jewish Holocaust survivors who were able to survive because of "love". So millions of jews died but the ones who survived were able to survive because they found love. That sounds reasonable? Not a story or anything... Just love others and you too can survive millions of people being slaughtered in internment camps.
“The idea that Germans were normal people and then one day they went absolutely crazy and started randomly hating Jews for no good reason and then they calmed down and now they are normal again is hilarious”
Anyone who tells you only in Germany there was a disdain for Jews in the 19th and 20th century is trying to lie to you. I never even knew about this until I actually looked into it a couple years ago, I always learned in school only in Germany there were anti semites etc.
Anyone who tells you that antisemitism wasn't rampant in the 19th and 20th centuries is lying to you. All the books are still around. You can read them. It's not even a solely German thing.
Hillaire Belloc's 1922 book The Jews is a good look at this. Belloc wasn't a big fan of Jews, which is why he was the right man to write this - because he foresaw a genocide if things continued the way they were going, and decided that even if he didn't personally care for them, he didn't really want to see a genocide happen. It's a good look at the causes and degree of antisemitism in the early 20th century, throughout the Western world and not particular to just Germany.
The idea that the Australians were normal people, and then one day they went absolutely crazy and started blaming all their problems on the "unvaccinated", and then they calmed down is obviously impossible.
Well yeah -- pretty much all of the western world has been under a sustained propaganda campaign for the better part of a century now. They didn't just go absolutely crazy one day, they've been boiled slowly for decades.
Once you have the environment primed for a wildfire, all it takes is a spark to set it off.
The idea that people had to be killed via gassing is ridiculous when you consider they could just lock them up and simply not feed them.
Starving people to death takes time. Dachau could wipe out an entire trainload of people within 45 minutes from arrival. Having to keep people alive for weeks or even months is a huge waste of resources when you can do it in less than an hour. It also allows the camps to swell, and potentially cause rebellions. Starving people is only one aspect of an effort to kill as many people as possible in the shortest period of time.
This is what happened in the Civil War, actually; one of the few Southern PoW camps had abysmal survival rates due to the fact that they just didn't have enough goddamn food to go around.
It's been a while since I cracked open the books, but IIRC, the commander in charge of said camp was one of the only Southern commanders that was executed after the war.
I never learned about the literal tornadoes of fire that the Allies inflicted upon a civilian population center when they firebombed the ever-loving fuck out of Dresden and then gunned down the survivors fleeing in the woods the morning after. Funny how they leave that part out of the history lessons in school.
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This is a new interpretation: the Zionists had the Germans intentionally starve the jews to death to get the state of Israel as an elaborate plot. This is, frankly, the dumbest way to try and get statehood that I've ever heard but okay. The other stuff about allied countries not taking in jews is true. Yes Germany didn't exactly try to deport them, as much as exile them and rob them of all their possessions in Germany. Being socialists, the jews were considered a bourgeois race that had stolen all wealth they had accrued, thus all wealth could be taken back. And they would be deported to... Madagascar: a tribal and undeveloped island after being robbed of all worldly possession. In reality, deporting was never a solution because the goal was to exterminate jews as a whole because Judeo-Bolshevism suggested that they were a plague upon all nations already, so killing them would save Europe. Deporting them, on the other hand, would keep them alive, and keep them a threat to Europe.
This also ignores the fact that the holocaust was undertaken for speed and efficiency. Same reason you shouldn't be using bullets to shoot every jew in a war: you run out of bullets when you're trying to kill all the jews in Europe. Starvation is far too slow, and requires far too much space.
Even then, if we were to say that starvation as a method of execution was the only method in the holocaust, we can see that food was not rationed so tightly that it was impossible to feed jews. American POWs and Russian POWs were also starved in different rates depending on the political animosity that the Germans may have had towards the different groups. We see the Germans doing the same thing during WW1, as killing off the vast swathes of Russian prisoners by refusing to feed them happens in both wars, but it is the Russians being directly targeted with starvation over other groups. In WW2, the Jews get worse treatment than the Russians, which is really saying something.
So, all in all, there's plenty of issues with the original statement that could be disinformation, but there's other parts that aren't, but the real problem with it is actually just the fact that OP is asserting the jews conspired to commit the holocaust against themselves for Israel (which didn't exist yet).
The current estimate is 1.1 million
I don't really care what the real numbers is; IMO it's kind of irrelevant.
But why would anybody believe that number when we know for a fact that "experts" lie about everything, constantly?
Different experts, different evidence. How did I know that the "experts" that Pfizer paid to research the injections were right that there was no evidence to suggest that the injections would prevent infection? Because I saw their data. The "experts" that were brought on television were just wearing stethescopes and hadn't read a single thing. How about Climate Change? Why do I believe in it, yet I'm constantly shitting on claims about Climate Change? Because I read the data?
How do I know that the Holocaust happened? Physical evidence, witness testimony, admissions of guilt, planning and objectives, statements that the National Socialists made about needing to exterminate jews long before the first death camp was built?
There's as much evidence that the Holocaust happened as there is for the fucking moonlanding. There might even be more just because of sheer scale.
As for that specific number? It's the one that's been tested in the most detailed manner possible, including using the records of train embarkations and disembarkations. It also happens to be the smallest one so far. The Camp Commandant actually thought it might have been 3 million, and reduced it down to closer to 2 before he was executed. Even his figure was too high.