Honestly really fucked up. Did a fake rescue operation too. The Navy could have just said "look there was a big bang right where that sub was that sounded like an implosion"
According to the Wall Street Journal¹, the U.S. Navy used a top-secret detection system to spot enemy submarines and heard what it believed was the Titan implosion hours after it lost contact. The Navy did not reveal this information to the public or the Coast Guard until days later¹³. Maybe they didn't want to expose their sound detection skills or capabilities to the world, especially to their potential adversaries. This is not the first time that the U.S. military has used sound detection for secret purposes. In the late 1940s, they launched Project Mogul², a top secret project involving microphones flown on high-altitude balloons to detect sound waves generated by Soviet atomic bomb tests².
My father was a sonarman in the Navy during the 70's. Before he got out he told me they declassified a shitload of data they collected from the positions of whales and gave it to some marine biology department of a university somewhere. They were like, "It's probably all unusable shit, but we'll look at it." Turns out it was the most detailed and sophisticated tracking data they had ever seen. Even more so than the state of the art radio trackers they were using. Turns out the Navy knows a lot about where things are in the water.
I had to do a bit of research since it's been a long time since I thought about it, and wanted to look it up. It was called SOSUS and they gave the whale data to NOAA.
SOSUS is a line of underwater microphones, range would be a simple matter of triangulation. They had ~1 mile accuracy in the 1970s, and they probably are much better now.
I'd agree with that. Knowing how sneaky you can be and still get picked up is a secret. Knowing that an extremely un-sneaky thing just off the Canadian coast is above that threshold is hardly any information at all.
the US Navy detected the Titan implosion on Sunday but
But it was an isolated, transient event that was recorded but didn't meet the computer's search criteria to flag human investigation, so it wasn't even known they had it until word came down to pull up the data and see what they heard.
You aren't familiar with how bureaucracies work, are you?
To you, the military is one big well functioning machine that works better than the government, isn't it?
Yeah, no. That's not the military at all. The military is second only to the DMV for unhelpful layers of insulating bureaucracy between you and the goal.
The following is hypothetical, but entirely consistent with how our government works.
The incident and story broke late Sunday. White House would have asked SecDef that monday morning to look into that. SecDef asks Navy (prob CNO) monday afternoon in a meeting they were already going to have about something else, someone suggests checking the sonar, and CNO "gets right on that" , sending it over to NOPF Atlantic by the end of the day.
Choose Your Own Adventure, Path ACNO actually sent it to the right inbox, and it reaches the night shift guy at the desk at NOPF. But he has no idea how to pull the data because he's never had to do it before, so the email sits until his boss gets in the next morning.
Choose Your Own Adventure, Path BCNO didn't send it to the right inbox, it goes to the NOPF's commander rather than the operations desk, and so it isn't seen until the next morning.
It's now Tuesday, and by now you have people actually pulling up log data and going over it. They're quick about it and find it in that shift, putting together a report that goes back out to SecDef that afternoon... but he doesn't see it till Wednesday morning, and sends it over to the Coast Guard as soon as he gets in.
By the end of Wednesday the report is actually in the hands of the search commander.
That is your government at work dekachin.
It is the Adeptus Administratum with fewer cybernetics.
General issues pants on head retarded orders to Colonel; Colonel realises orders to his subalterns, who decide the orders are still pants on head retarded and they pass it to their subalterns who go this is pencil up nose retarded, a step down in my estimation, they pass it the NCOs who sort the shit out and make the generals look good
It could be both. The real information was off in bureaucratic hell, while the politicians were using it to their advantage. I expect to see lots of reports that private submarine companies need to be regulated to the point that they are practically part of the government, and will not go anywhere near the areas that various submarines go to.
Another thing to think about is the fact that a SOSUS detection of a sub implosion (very distinct noise) would have triggered a message to Atlantic Fleet, essentially "is this one of ours?"
Don't forget indicting Trump the same day the bribery corruption scandal was confirmed.
It is all a circus with everyone abusing the laws that once made this country untouchable, at our expense.
Honestly really fucked up. Did a fake rescue operation too. The Navy could have just said "look there was a big bang right where that sub was that sounded like an implosion"
According to the Wall Street Journal¹, the U.S. Navy used a top-secret detection system to spot enemy submarines and heard what it believed was the Titan implosion hours after it lost contact. The Navy did not reveal this information to the public or the Coast Guard until days later¹³. Maybe they didn't want to expose their sound detection skills or capabilities to the world, especially to their potential adversaries. This is not the first time that the U.S. military has used sound detection for secret purposes. In the late 1940s, they launched Project Mogul², a top secret project involving microphones flown on high-altitude balloons to detect sound waves generated by Soviet atomic bomb tests².
(1) U.S. Navy Heard What It Believed Was Titan Implosion Days Ago. https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-navy-detected-titan-sub-implosion-days-ago-6844cb12 Accessed 23/06/2023. (2) Navy Detected Titanic Sub's Implosion Soon After It Went ... - Insider. https://www.insider.com/navy-detected-titanic-subs-implosion-soon-after-went-missing-wsj-2023-6 Accessed 23/06/2023. (3) Project Mogul - Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Mogul Accessed 23/06/2023.
So, uh... I guess it's OK to expose those capabilities now?
My father was a sonarman in the Navy during the 70's. Before he got out he told me they declassified a shitload of data they collected from the positions of whales and gave it to some marine biology department of a university somewhere. They were like, "It's probably all unusable shit, but we'll look at it." Turns out it was the most detailed and sophisticated tracking data they had ever seen. Even more so than the state of the art radio trackers they were using. Turns out the Navy knows a lot about where things are in the water.
I had to do a bit of research since it's been a long time since I thought about it, and wanted to look it up. It was called SOSUS and they gave the whale data to NOAA.
https://www.usni.org/magazines/naval-history-magazine/2021/february/66-years-undersea-surveillance
Marked Trans Secret: For xer eyes only
Isn't that the title of the next bond film?
SOSUS is a line of underwater microphones, range would be a simple matter of triangulation. They had ~1 mile accuracy in the 1970s, and they probably are much better now.
Lol if they can't tell the distance to the boom, then it's not top secret technology
We've known since at least the early 90s the navy had a set up to listen across most of the ocean for things like this.
I'm not sure how it's "top secret"
Yeah, sosus isn't exactly unknown or novel. Means and methods maybe.
I'd agree with that. Knowing how sneaky you can be and still get picked up is a secret. Knowing that an extremely un-sneaky thing just off the Canadian coast is above that threshold is hardly any information at all.
This isn't even the slimiest fucking thing I've seen that administration do this month, but it sure as shit is near the top.
5 people died and the acknowledgement that they are deceased was delayed so it would cover Hunter's news being in the headlines.
This is borderline blood on their hands. The families of those people had hope that their loved ones were alive.
And they could have been told on Sunday that was not the case.
Jesus fucking Christ.
north korean sentencing for bidens needed.
Nobody was paying attention to hunter.
You don’t need a conspiracy to cover up what the media already wasn’t talking about.
But it was an isolated, transient event that was recorded but didn't meet the computer's search criteria to flag human investigation, so it wasn't even known they had it until word came down to pull up the data and see what they heard.
downvoted for posting bullshit without a source.
anyone could have & would have checked when the controversy started.
You aren't familiar with how bureaucracies work, are you?
To you, the military is one big well functioning machine that works better than the government, isn't it?
Yeah, no. That's not the military at all. The military is second only to the DMV for unhelpful layers of insulating bureaucracy between you and the goal.
The following is hypothetical, but entirely consistent with how our government works.
The incident and story broke late Sunday. White House would have asked SecDef that monday morning to look into that. SecDef asks Navy (prob CNO) monday afternoon in a meeting they were already going to have about something else, someone suggests checking the sonar, and CNO "gets right on that" , sending it over to NOPF Atlantic by the end of the day.
Choose Your Own Adventure, Path A CNO actually sent it to the right inbox, and it reaches the night shift guy at the desk at NOPF. But he has no idea how to pull the data because he's never had to do it before, so the email sits until his boss gets in the next morning.
Choose Your Own Adventure, Path B CNO didn't send it to the right inbox, it goes to the NOPF's commander rather than the operations desk, and so it isn't seen until the next morning.
It's now Tuesday, and by now you have people actually pulling up log data and going over it. They're quick about it and find it in that shift, putting together a report that goes back out to SecDef that afternoon... but he doesn't see it till Wednesday morning, and sends it over to the Coast Guard as soon as he gets in.
By the end of Wednesday the report is actually in the hands of the search commander.
That is your government at work dekachin.
It is the Adeptus Administratum with fewer cybernetics.
downvoted & didn't read because 1st line talked down to me.
byeee
p.s. I'm a lot more intelligent than you & don't have time to waste on pretentious idiots.
Not if you think the military isn't Office Space.
This is why you need good NCOs
General issues pants on head retarded orders to Colonel; Colonel realises orders to his subalterns, who decide the orders are still pants on head retarded and they pass it to their subalterns who go this is pencil up nose retarded, a step down in my estimation, they pass it the NCOs who sort the shit out and make the generals look good
But you do have time to tell people that you've downvoted them and that you're a lot more intelligent than they are.
I'll bet your dad could beat up all of our dads, too.
It could be both. The real information was off in bureaucratic hell, while the politicians were using it to their advantage. I expect to see lots of reports that private submarine companies need to be regulated to the point that they are practically part of the government, and will not go anywhere near the areas that various submarines go to.
I love the leftie community note.
"WSJ said the information was immediately shared, so it's 100% the truth"
Another thing to think about is the fact that a SOSUS detection of a sub implosion (very distinct noise) would have triggered a message to Atlantic Fleet, essentially "is this one of ours?"