70 At High School Debates, Debate Is No Longer Allowed (www.thefp.com) posted 13 days ago by Gazerbeam 13 days ago by Gazerbeam +70 / -0 At High School Debates, Debate Is No Longer Allowed At national tournaments, judges are making their stances clear: students who argue ‘capitalism can reduce poverty’ or ‘Israel has a right to defend itself’ will lose—no questions asked. www.thefp.com 29 comments share 29 comments share save hide report block hide replies
"Debate" hasn't existed in at least a decade, if not longer. Modern debate consists of two people shitting out as many bad yet short arguments as possible in hopes that they talked faster than the other guy. That's it. No actual conversation is had, just metagaming the points system.
We can thank television for that because they try to cut everything down for the sake of a timetable and making sure ads get put inbetween everything. Say what you will about the internet, at least people can have a proper argument on there if they really want to with the whole world potentially witnessing.
Bruh... the internet is even more fucking garbage for debates, what are you on about?
One of the most popular debaters (if not arguably the most popular) in the internet space is fucking Destiny... I don't think I need to explain anything about that.
I think the magic word is 'can', not that it's likely.
But it can't happen because the internet has divided people into those who research and those who repeat.
So any actual debate is now between an informed, rational side and an ignorant irrational one, for example is mainstream media trustworthy, whereas classically the debate was over which side had a better argument not which had one at all.
I liked it when Gavin McInnes debated Destiny.
Gavin's main argument was that Destiny was a cuck.
It's actually unrelated to that. Spreading aka gish gallop is just the dominant strategy in the main competitive debate ruleset. If your opponent doesn't rebut a point you make, you win that point. So, just speak as quickly as possible and make hundreds of bunk points so your opponent can't rebut them all.
Oh you mean the Destiny approach to debate? To be fair it has been that long since I even looked at a television.
Far worse than that. Spreading involves speaking more quickly than most intelligent people can even interpret as language. Destiny at least enunciates enough to have his words understood.
Sure, but this seems like a clear escalation of that problem.
This is news? Internet Aristocrat had a video over 10 years ago showing that winners of 'debating' tournaments made arguments such as "YAAAH YAAAH NIGGA! PRESIDENTIAL WAR POWERS SHOULD NOT BE PUSED AGAINST NIGGERS!"
Oh, and this creature talked about? The name was Lila Lavender. Of course, you immediately know what's up. This is what he looks like. He is a debating coach.
How much do morons pay to have their heads filled with nonsense? Quite a lot. It costs 1200 dollars for the great privilege of being 'educated' by a guy with such logic that he sliced off his own balls. For 40 hours.
I'm a Maoist as well, at least on the issue of transgenderism, because Chairman Mao was right about transgenderism.
What an odd statement. None of those three would agree on the actual workings of communism.
Sad but not surprising, that's the way with things now. High school students that start to think for themselves, you have to nip that in the bud. Aggressively. No one must grow up with any thought other than to absorb and regurgitate the approved message.
Is this real??
I actually thought this was a legit article. Sounds like a policy a high school would institute.
Never been more grateful to be trolled by a fake article LOL.
Where are you getting that it's fake?
Site itself seems fake to me, never seen it before, I think I agree with Smith, ambivalent on it all though, if I'm wrong I'm wrong.
Not having heard of something being all it takes to dismiss it as fake is a great way to paint yourself into a corner. The sources are provided and you can look stuff up yourself. https://www.tabroom.com/index/paradigm.mhtml?judge_person_id=114657
Fair enough and thanks, god it's cringe that a school would do that.
It's the site Bari Weiss founded after leaving the NYT.
Are there any other articles about this sort of thing not on the site? I guess I'm hoping it's fake this would happen in a school today.
Keep your children out of government schools.
How about "people whose presence in the United States violates federal law"? Doesn't quite roll off the tongue, does it?
They are objectively illegal immigrants because they are here illegally. Shawarma chick's bias is trash and flies in the face of common sense.
"Lila Lavender" set off my tranny detector and if you check his Tabroom page it confirms it (I know, a layup when combined with all the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist shit). There is a bunch of even crazier stuff in there than what made the article.
Just quit. Let the echo chamber chime, in splendid isolation.
If a high school debate thing pulls this crap torch the school.
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your topic is debating presidential war powers... you have 2 minutes...
what the fuck is this shit? this is not debate.
Based on the Israel bit , might be for the wrong reasons but still lmao