The movie is good, I enjoyed it a lot more then I thought I would. It was surprising how well Mario is portrayed. He has flaws to overcome but he is resilient and is motivated by wanting to protect his little brother, in the end he becomes a hero and saves everyone. On the other side we have Peach, she is just perfect, does everything good all her life, effortless throws Mario to the ground and makes fun of him being short the first time she meets him, she is loved by everyone and she can fight better then anyone and even saves Mario at least once. She defeats Bowser and fights a good portion of his army on her own and only lost by sheer bad luck. Her saving grace is that she does not act as a mean girl boss and and seems to like Mario.
From a movie point of view Mario should not have mattered since Peach could have defeated everyone anyway and the fact that Mario is allowed to fight Bowser at the end seems extremely forced and more like something Nintendo demanded. Makes no sense for Peach not fighting him since she was stronger and better then Mario.
Even Donkey Kong is a more interesting and better written character then Peach. In fact Peach is the worse written character in the movie. You can remove most of the scenes with Peach and the movie plays about the same, almost like there were 2 story lines, one centered on Peach and one on Mario.
So it just looks like they wanted a girl boss movie but Nintendo said no and demanded Mario to be the hero of the movie so we got this strange mix of great and woke.
It also made me think, the argument I've seen online is "imagine if a girl goes to see Mario and Peach does nothing for the entire movie?". The obvious answer is that there can be a middle ground and the girl have flaws and even allow Mario to save her once or twice and also be a great and powerful character in her own right. But more importantly where was the same argument for Elsa or Brave or most other girl centered cartoons? Even How to train your dragon had to have a strong female character and that was the last good cartoon I remember seeing in a cinema that I liked.
Peach has no flaws and therefore no character, it’s the same with every wahman.
Well, if they made them realistic to what women are...they'd complain about it being "misogynist" propaganda.
I just can't support Seth Rogen in anything. Stop putting his fat ass in shit.
Seth Rogan is in it? Yeah that makes me nope out even more, he's such a social retard he went and started a fight with Count Dankula on twitter for no fucking reason and even people in general were surprised that the weirdo had nothing better to do.
I agree that Peach is a little bit too much, but I don't think she's quite as bad as people seem to think.
For comparison's sake, I'm going to use Rey as the archetypical Mary Sue. Rey is a scavenger on a desert planet, collecting scrap to sell for a living. We then jump to her repairing and flying spaceships better than their lifelong pilots. We start with her being a proficient staff fighter, and then jump to her being a natural with a Lightsaber AND the Force, defeating people who have been training their whole lives in the Light AND Dark sides. Han? Nothing compared to her. Luke? Nothing compared to her. Kylo? Nothing compared to her. She's given every advantage and never fails ever. Rey's power levels make no sense for what is established, and she can never be defeated by any challenge the films put forward.
Conversely, Princess Peach is shown to have been raised in the Mushroom Kingdom and been trained in all of its dangers and wonders. Thus she's shown as being a capable platformer and adventurer in her own right. She makes the plan to team up with the Kongs to fight off Bowser. And then... The plan doesn't work. Cranky turns her down flat until Mario steps up to challenge DK. And then once they have the Kongs' support, Bowser beats them all anyway. Then, when she stands to face Bowser's minions, she immediately caves when Kamek threatens Toad, another loss. And then, after that, when she makes her bid for freedom, she loses against King Bob-Omb. It takes Mario and DK to save everyone and repel Bowser's nuclear option. Peach's power levels are consistent with what is established, and she's unable to clear multiple challenges without explicit help from other characters, most often our hero, Mario.
And that's not getting into Peach's generally supportive and encouraging attitude, compared to Rey's "Stop holding my hand!" bitching.
Except she did it on her first try
I don't see this as a loss, she did not allow Toad to be tortured and bought some time. She lost nothing. It just further cemented how great she is under pressure
She did not lose to anyone, she accidentally lighted up his fuse. Until that moment she had already defeated Bowser and all the guards.
She did not need help in any task. Only moment were it comes in to play is Mario saving the day at the end, that seems more of an intervention from Nintendo then the writers
I agree with this part. Her personality was cute. They could have written her with a bit of strugle, even if it was just theoretical about her learning to live in this world and the movie would have been great. Compare her to all the other characters, all of them are more interesting and better made then Peach.
Question is do you believe that is because the creators wanted to be faithful to a game or because they HAD to follow the hollywood mantra of no flaws to girls and no man can be better then her and never ever save her?
Except that first try came after she had been living in the mushroom kingdom for what looks like at least a decade, if not longer and she was well aware of the benefits of power ups. Mario when he first used the power up had a problem with just jumping since he wasn't used to how his body now worked. That's like me raising my niece for a decade at shooting ranges and then I take her to a competition for the first time and she does well versus you bringing your son in and he struggles because it's the first time he's held a gun. It has nothing to do with her being a girl and everything to do with me raising her to handle guns and that she does well on her first time because she had a lot of practice and growing up around them.
It wasn't as if she first tried it as a baby, she had years and years to become used to how the world worked before her first attempt.
It is a loss because she had no way to win, if she didn't cave they'd kill Toad and then still take her, because she was surrounded and Kamek could just use the same magic against her, she had nothing to beat that or all the armed guards surrounding her and even if she managed that she had no way of beating Bowser in a direct fight.
Which is literally shown multiple times, she only froze Bowser which temporarily stopped and he was able to get out just fine on his own, and once they got to Brooklyn he easily defeated her, DK and Toad in a 3 on 1 fight.
Straight up not true, she intentionally lit King Bob-Omb's fuse but she got hit which made her lose her power-up and Bowser still had plenty of guards left and had it not been for DK stopping the chain, then everyone would have died since she had no way out if Mario and DK didn't arrive as everyone else would be dead and she was still surrounded.
If you want to criticize it, that's fine, but don't just make shit up that wasn't on screen to do it.
She was going to immediately give up when Cranky Kong told her no, so she NEEDED Mario's help to convince Cranky. She needed the Kongs to help her get back to her own people, because if they didn't then she would never have gotten to the Mushroom Kingdom on time, and further on the Rainbow Road if the Kongs or Mario were not there, then Bowser's Koopas would have easily caught her since she would not have anyone to distract them. She needed Toad to bring her the Ice Flower, without him helping her everyone would have died. She needed DK to stop the chain after the ice broke and she needed Mario to stop the Bullet Bill from destroying her castle, she needed Mario and Luigi to stop Bowser because she, DK and Toad were not capable of defeating him in Brooklyn.
I don't know where you got this idea that she did everything without help.
At least watch the movie before criticizing it, because everything sounds like you just clicked through a video review and claimed it to be good enough to shit talk the film.
So listen here you dickless faggot. The film did a serviceable job in 90 minutes of putting Mario on the big screen, it played everything safe and if you wanted some Anti-Woke movie where Mario slaps Peach around and calls her a whore that should suck his cock while he smokes cigars and watched the half-nigger chimp Andrew Tate videos. That was never going to happen. What also didn't happen was some Girl Power Movie where every man was incompetent and Peach was the only one to do anything to advance the plot while stomping on Mario's balls the whole time.
Mario at the start of the film was shown to be good at what he does, his plumbing skills are great and the sequence of parkour getting through the construction zone show he's good at platforming. Then later when it shows that Brooklyn is flooding Mario immediately comes to the rescue and figures out exactly what the problem is when none of the other city crews can. So the film doesn't treat him like an idiot. What it does is have Mario struggle at getting used to a magical land of mushroom people where if you eat shit that comes out of a box that you get super powers.
No one in the film was portrayed as an incompetent loser, Bowser wasn't some dudebro frat who couldn't open a pickle jar he was a legitimate threat to the Mushroom Kingdom and would have won if not for Mario because everyone Peach knew would have been killed. Mario wasn't a dumpy out of shape idiot who had to be saved over and over, once he got through the platforming at the Mushroom Kingdom he had caught on pretty quick how things worked.
Sure buddy if you want to believe in your fantasy you may just as well believe that men can become women you brain damaged fuck, give up on watching trans porn before you become a vegetable.
So basically she did the perfect way out where she did not lose but changed the battlefield to a way she can win
That was a bit fussy to me, so I can grant you this I'm not sure if it was intentionally or accidental. I will have to rematch it but it was of little consequence to my point.
No where did she give up. It just moved fast from no to Mario stepping up. The only think you can claim is that she did not come with a better idea. This by the way made little sense since Peach was clearly the better fighter so it was just forced to pump up Mario. Peach being so awesome makes the plot break down.
The last scene I agree was great. The last fight is what sold me on the movie. It was Mario and Luigi fighting Bowser and saving the day.
My point if you care enough to use that girl dick sucking brain of yours is that it clearly had a boss Peach narrative but then Nintendo step in and demanded Mario be the hero. Hence why we ended up with this weird mix.
Either you give my critique of Peach a fair shot or go back to getting pegged.
What does this word jumble of retardation even mean? She lost so perfectly she won? That's literally not what happened at all, she was going to lose everything even after freezing Bowser since she lost the ice flower and even if she kept it longer she would still have lost it since it only requires her getting hit once, it was a literal numbers game of how long until that happened as Bowsers troops were still around her and if not that Bowser himself would have broken free. She was literally only stalling for time the entire time and in doing so lost the only power up she had because she couldn't think of a better plan, if not for DK stopping the chains and Mario flying in everyone else would have died.
The part where she gave up is where she gave up. She didn't upon getting told no by the ruler of the Monkey Kingdom that Cranky couldn't just ignore her request. Of course the movie isn't going to go into Peach sitting down to negotiate trade agreements this isn't Star Wars, but she had plenty of time to speak up for herself and she did not. If Mario had time to speak, so did she.
There was no indication throughout the entire movie that she was a better fighter than Mario, as the only fighting move she did up until that point was shoulder throw Mario, which if you actually saw the film was a result of him running up towards her and thinking "Hey this is the princess I need to talk to." He wasn't actively attempting to attack her nor defend against her, just to get to her.
And no it's more likely had Peach fought DK that he would have just fought her more seriously at the start of the fight since DK knows that Princess Peach has lived in their world for some time, while this new guy just got here. It was his arrogance that caused DK to loose because he underestimated Mario's tenacity, something that Peach was shown to not have and even so far as to explicitly state that to be a character trait she lacks because of her praising Mario's ability to not give up, she would not have said anything if she too had that same attitude, therefore she lacked the qualities that allowed Mario to progress and succeed.
He didn't give up after his first job and that led him to Brooklyn to fix the sewers which got him into the Mushroom Kingdom He didn't give up after being told no by palace guards and went to find Princess Peach even while being chased by armed toads. He didn't give up after each failure on the obstacle course and succeeded in a single day which is a far better accomplishment than Peach having lived her memorable life in that land and succeeding on a test designed by TOADS for TOADS, if anything it's not a Peach was better it was Human Beings are superior to Toads. He didn't quit against DK, which won him the Kong Army, not Peach He didn't quit when the Koopa Troopas chased them on the rainbow bridge, he was the one to suggest splitting up, not Peach He didn't quit when he was eaten by the giant fish which DK was ready to do. He didn't quit when he had to fight Bowser. Him not quitting was a trait that won the day, not anything Peach had.
Peach didn't save the day at any point in the story. So wherever your chimp brain came up with, "Oh she's a girl boss" well I wonder what the fuck a girl boss is when Peach never accomplished anything and her greatest feat was simply stalling the wedding and not having a way out because she didn't know Mario and DK were going to come to the rescue. AND even if she did defeat the Koopas and save everyone else, she would never have been able to stop the Bullet Bill from wiping out the Mushroom Kingdom.
I gave you're piss water ramblings a fair take, it was the rantings of a brain damaged subhuman and was dismissed like the garbage it was.
If you want to have actual criticisms of the film, watch the fucking thing because you have gotten so much wrong you clearly didn't see the film and you'll never convince me or anyone else otherwise.
Here are legitimate criticisms of things that the movie ACTUALLY did and not whatever you imagined in your head while jerking off to photos of your kike grandmother
Luigi needed more screen time in the Dark Lands where he would encounter Boos and other frightening things before getting captured and taken to Bowser. This would have worked far better for the purposes of giving him a nemesis in the form of King Boo and could allow Nintendo to seamlessly make a Luigi's Mansion spin-off
Luigi could have been given a role to step up and lead the prisoners against King Bowser because he learned that Mario isn't giving up and he shouldn't as well. It would have been awkward to try and fit that but it could be done.
More should have been done to explain why it was only the Kong's who had an army that could oppose Bowser, considering they were captured quite easily there was no indication outside DK himself that they were capable fighters. Because as it stands they were as effective as the Toads in the Mushroom Kingdom.
It showed on the map other lands, so clearly there were more people than just Kongs, Koopas and Toads.
It still didn't explain how Peach got into the Mushroom Kingdom, because by all the film showed us she entered through the exact same pipe that Mario and Luigi did which would mean, roughly 20 years ago a Baby Peach wondered into the Brooklyn sewer system and was whisked away and no one noticed. Or are their other pipes to the Human world and why was the human world separated from the other worlds. We saw the void that Mario and Luigi fell through, there were clearly other tunnels and it would stand to reason this is Nintendo hinting a Multiverse or sorts just to build their Nintendo Cinematic Universe.
But for fucksake, you Impossible1 clone, get better material and actually watch what you shit on since you're copy pasted responses were tired before the film even came out.
So just do what the Cucknadians up north do when they get burned this badly and take your own life. Just actually end yourself, grab the nearest sharp object and stick it straight into your carotid artery. It benefits the world if more useless trash like you isn't in it.
The film is a 6 out of 10, it's passable and something I could watch again if I had an hour and a half to kill and no interest in anything else at the time, 7 if I had to pick a movie to put on for my niece and I didn't want to hear Let It Go for the hundredth time.
Is it movie of the year, shouldn't be, will it be, probably considering all the garbage Hollyjew is shoving out their crappers. Is it better than any other animated video game movie, yeah, by a lot because it just is a Mario movie.
I'm willing to cut the film some slack on its narrative because they put forth effort to make Peach pleasant and actively give Mario opportunities to step up and be a hero. I'm willing to take things like the joke of Peach getting it first try in stride (Never mind how long she's plausibly experienced the Mushroom Kingdom proper by this point.) Because they go on to show that Mario is instrumental in saving the day and Peach would have failed on her own, even as good as she is. And that's the key, for me.
Critical Drinker once said that the fun of wish fulfilment is seeing awesome characters on the backfoot and pulling through despite being setback. Peach may be awesome, but the Kongs are more awesome, and Bowser and his troops are even more awesome, so Mario becomes even more awesome then that in response.
I believe that the initial filmmakers were probably trying to turn Peach into a Mary Sue, but Nintendo put their foot down, and gave her realistic setbacks. You say "Oh, the writers just coincidentally had her get hit by King Bob-Omb." But what is life but a series of coincidences? It doesn't matter how awesome you are, sometimes, you get delt a bad hand and need help. (Also, pretty sure she set him off on purpose and it backfired on her, again, a believable scenario.)
Also, surrender is failure by definition. Losing a battle to win the war is still a loss.
You always hear about what the little girls are gonna think in regards to a piece of media that doesn’t check all the female empowerment boxes. Nobody gives a shit about what little boys think though when the situation is reversed. Male expendability rears its ugly head again.
Honestly, I think in most cases men are getting exactly what we need. The truth that life is hard and no one cares about you, so work harder to make something of yourself while women get it easy. It sucks, but its also not going to change especially if you try to appeal to women's decency and empathy (lol).
In this specific case, Mario fucks up a bunch but still manages to stubbornly power through until eventually he succeeds at things, most of which he is bad at to start. A tangible and real goal for boys. Peach just skips all that and was great with no show of the work, something that makes girls instantly give up when they don't win on the first showing.
And it should never stop. Men should understand that we are not superheroes, that most of us are grunts, that we have to be part of something bigger than ourselves. Men didn't build civilization by being a gathering of kings; they did it by cooperation, and yes, hierarchy. Let women keep their princess bullshit if they must, its for the birds. The problem is that society has stopped rewarding its best supporters: boys and men. I don't know what the solution is, but I know its not men acting like women.
"Artists" nail a urinal to a wall, but artisans spend three generations building a cathedral.
The bargain of Christian civilization is that in exchange for loyalty and labor the lower-tier men who make shoes and design sewer systems get to have wives they don't have to kill for and children that are highly likely to be theirs.
This requires suppression of womens' natural inclination to disregard lower tier men and insert herself into the harem of a higher tier man. That suppression was done through religious indoctrination, economic and sometimes physical sanction against deviancy, and mainly social pressure, mostly from older women who had resigned themselves to the suppression of their instincts when they were younger.
No that is a manifestation of the problem. "Their princess bullshit" is part of the cultural emanations of respect is part of the bargain. Men cannot be shown being disrespected and "shown up" by women. Adult men know it is retarded and just roll their eyes but that meme is devastating to boys and damaging to girls. Boys need to grow up imaging themselves as the hero and girls need to grow up imaging themselves as the prize the hero fights for.
We know what the solution is. Roll back the last 150 years of "progressive" legislation.
Since the 19th amendment makes that impossible the next contingency is to prepare for collapse.
Dude there's plenty of great movies that get this message across, but part of the bargain for expendability is that you get honored in some way however small. Being truly expendable as in "we'll toss you like a used napkin" was never the deal.
She’s also conventionally girl-looking. They didn’t design her all square looking or give her a man’s face or nothing. That goes a long way in this day and age.
I don't think you can really do Princess Peach justice in a mainstream movie; she's a weird character.
Granted there are many weird characters in the Mario world, but Peach raises questions even if you suspend your disbelief. Like, sure, there's a family of talking apes but imagine if the head of the family was a normal looking human.
Peach is the princess of the Mushroom Kingdom, which is composed entirely of mushroom people. The only other characters who are human are the Mario Bros. and they come from the human world. So...where did she come from and why is she the undisputed ruler? There are many toads in the games that fill leadership roles, but they all defer to a human princess for...reasons? And they all seem to age and die while she remains the same eternally?
And then there's her powers. Even in Mario 2, which was the first time she was playable, she had the unique ability of limited flight. But in Super Princess Peach for the DS, a standalone Peach game, she has INSANE powers compared to anyone else in the series: full flight, invicibility, destructive fire, and the ability to create life. Note as well that none of of these powers are due to collecting power-ups, like stars or fire flowers; they're inherent abilities that require pickups to power them.
But, despite that, she keeps getting captured and the only ones who can save her, despite her blindly loyal army of mushrooms, are a couple plumbers with above average jumping ability? Hmmm...
I posit that Peach isn't just the princess of the Mushroom Kingdom, but it's god and, likely, creator. She created the Kingdom at her pleasure and may have created Bowser so that she could pit mortals against him for her amusement; when he's "defeated" by being plunged into lava, she simply resurects him when she's ready to go again. All of the original power-ups are abilities that she inherently possesses; she places them strategically to make things more interesting. Her ingratitude at being "saved" is a meme; it's because her rescue signals her game coming to an end.
Once you understand this, her character makes much more sense.
But good luck capturing that character with today's lazy and cowardly movie studios.
The best we can hope for is the SMB3 cartoon version; capable and courageous, but targetting due to her inherent value as a princess, rather than any specific weakness.
No one created Peach as some form of god. That sounds like a crazy fan-theory we used to get back when fandoms belonged to geeks. The game series started with Mario saving Peach so the fact that somehow a game starting Peach that came after that makes you go ??? on why she would need saving means you are brain damaged and should stop drinking / smoking weed.
She is a character in a game series that started as a 2d platformer and then evolved in different direction without much thought. I've never played Super Princes Peach, never even met anyone who played it, seems strange that any guy wanted to play that. But anyway, the movie was not Peach it was Mario, Peach being perfect at everything is stupid, even if you wanted her to be powerful you can give her flaws and make her character likable, she is not un-likable but she is by far the least interesting and most immersion breaking of the entire movie. More then that if you think that anyone tried to portray Peach as some game fidelity character rather then a feminist trope then I have a bridge to sell you.
The problem is that, unlike Mario or even Donkey Kong, she has no actual background for them to pull from. She has just always kinda been there and no history ever stuck for long. So they dodge going into it (to avoid contradiction) but still need it for characterization. Like, its glaringly noticable how hard they avoid talking about her background at all beyond a 10 second flashback that tells you literally nothing.
Which means they couldn't justify how she was so good at anything, but also still needed her to be to be the "experienced mentor" to Mario who is now the complete new guy to the world.
I was shocked at how non-cunty Peach was.
I want to see the pre-Nintendo:Fuck No script where Mario didn't do shit and Peach was the key to everything
I was talking about the weeding where she froze him.
Did they end up fucking?
OT but Hollyweird did Anya Taylor-Joy wrong with the buccal fat removal. Absolutely unnecessary