I happened to click on the comments and I see someone saying this.
Those rules aren't very Christian. Remember we are all sold to slaughter but saved by Christ as recourse.
This is what is wrong with modern fake Christians. Let's not be bothered by stealing, lying, coveting things that aren't yours, because oh uh Jesus wouldn't like the rules he agreed to. I propose we cut the goat in half and then I'll give it to whoever objects the least.
On the crazy woman's predicament though, I say arrest her for theft. If they want to piddle about over search and seizure laws that's fine in her criminal trial. Besides, I'm not sure the woman has a claim to an illegal search and seizure of not her property at not her farm. Whatever animal rescue might.
People forget that Jesus hung out with sinners expressly for the purpose of convincing them to stop sinning, and went on a literal rampage in the temple due to the dirty money changing going on.
They like the idea of a heavenly father who loves them, but hate the idea that He's also expecting things of them.
As has been noted by many red pill/ manosphere blogs, protestantism and western Christianity became all about the feelings at least by the sexual revolution in the 60s. Most western Christianity, especially American, is faker than fake.
The fast food, "I feel," "I want," "I think," self-centered, weak, idolatrous, Americanized "Christianity" is often closer to "do as thou wilt" Satanism than historical Christendom.
It's like a Satanic lullaby has herded people into a fraudulent version, allowing them to worship themselves but still have an emotional positive feeling that everything is OK like a spiritual comfort blanket. Positive affirmations with the core doctrines (like God's law, which flows with grace when we fail) and history stripped out.
Growing up in the US I know I've also been tainted as well (also by my own sin) and it's scary. Often I only focus on fixing myself rather than serving and glorifying God, seeking to advance His Kingdom. This has been a sick land for decades, and the cancer has metastasized
"American Christianity teaches the centrality of the individual: my will, my experiences, my decision, my heart, my work, and my dedication."
"Has American Christianity Failed? - Bryan Wolfmueller (Gets into Americanized cults of revivalism, pietism (all about my personal experience rather than the Kingdom of God), and mysticism).
I said, “Oh, that I had wings like a dove! I would fly away and find rest. How far away I would flee! In the wilderness I would remain. I would hurry to my shelter, far from this raging tempest.” - Psalm 55:6-8
I don't understand the motivation. I recently sold my car for scrap. Upon learning that the car would be crushed and melted, I was horrified and stole the car back. Why sell the thing in the first place?
The only two things that I can imagine being sensible motivations are A: They thought they were going to get a lot more at auction and attempted to take it back.
The mom didn't tell the daughter what was going to happen and was hoping she could get the money out of it without the daughter ever finding out.
I'm sure they both felt they were totally ready for this move, and then the day after they were crying because they totes weren't and reacted like dumb women rather than deal with the consequences of their actions.
The goat is stolen property, quite valuable property at that. They probably just went to the animal rescue and asked them to hand it over. After all, I doubt the animal rescue wants to deal with possession of stolen property charges.
The article is vague on how they "retrieved" the goat, probably intentionally so. Considering the whole framing of the article they would have mentioned if they went full FBI OPEN UP!
Only an issue if they forced their way onto that other farm.
If they just went along and said "Hey that goat the crazy lady gave you is stolen, we'd like to take it back now" and the farm owner went "Oh, right, I thought she was being weird. These documents do look in order, here you go!" then that's all fine I believe.
What is it with these fat fucking women and their sense of entitlement? If this was a sane society, the woman and her fucking spawn would be in jail, not raising money on some gofuckyourself account.
What's worse, is the nyPOSt treating this like it's some sorta poor victim narrative. No, the bitch wanted money, wanted the goat, and thought she could guilt people with her fat fucking daughter into keeping both.
Vanessa Shakib, Long’s lawyer, told The Post in an emailed statement. “Government officials escalated a purely civil dispute into a sham criminal pursuit.”
Man, lawyers just need clearing out and starting over. This bitch really just called a near $1000 theft a "purely civil dispute".
But the state fair and the California Department of Food and Agriculture (CFDA) still demanded the mother return Cedar, with the fair’s chief executive officer reportedly emailing her that the decision was meant to teach “our youth responsibility.”
This seems to be where the whole story went off the rails, because until that point she was paying the guy who bought it back and he was on board with that trade.
I get the principle point they are coming from, but it also seems like a bit of overreach for them to be involved to the extent they went to from there. Mom is a retard, but the levels they went to to create a problem and then solve it like they were heroes paints the government as a far bigger bad guy in a story where there wasn't one prior.
The phrase "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission" holds true because too many people are weak and don't have the willpower to punish liars and rule breakers because it makes them feel bad, and they make other honest citizens put up with their bullshit and do the hard part.
They're right, she needs to be punished to make it clear for next time that being honest is not only the right thing, but also the easiest thing. Since the bitch and her ilk are too dumb to know right from wrong they can at least learn which option hurts less.
You're right. I messed up the timeline there and that changes things considerably.
I still think the fact that the Cali cops can mobilize this quickly, happily, and easily over a nothing burger but gleefully let all sorts of other crimes just go unpunished is still an issue.
Stealing it was, but stealing wouldn't have occurred without the government shoving its nose in someone else's business. She is 100% in the wrong from that point on, but she is one retard.
The CFDA and the entire police force is a mass of people who all agreed to massively overreact (and waste tax money) on a non-issue simply because they said its the principle, despite Cali government and law enforcement having 0 principles elsewhere.
I don't care about this event. I care when this same set of actions is used again on someone who is innocent because a precedent has been set for this overreaction.
Your title isn't accurate, and doesn't represent why people are so upset over this.
the owner cooked it
A third party slaughtered the goat, it wasn't the owner. The owner was the state senator, who bought the goat at the fair auction.
The first problem is the fair interfering with the transaction. The buyer and seller agreed to send the goat to a sanctuary, and the fair still got their $63 cut. But the fair refused to allow this agreement, and decided neither buyer nor seller gets to keep the goat. Instead, the fair gets to take it back, plus their $63 cut (on a $902 sale). This is why lawyers are involved. The goat did not belong to the fair anymore.
The second problem is the police aspect, which was already mentioned in this thread. The police were sent 500 miles away to retrieve the goat (remember the last time they did this for your stolen property?). They were given a warrant to use breaching equipment and open locked containers, like this was a drug bust. And the police immediately sent the goat to the third party for slaughter, which is not how property disputes are handled. The property is supposed to be held until the rightful owner is determined.
But, instead of recognizing the legal and enforcement cynicism this story represents, you reduced it to another "Karen" story.
I happened to click on the comments and I see someone saying this.
This is what is wrong with modern fake Christians. Let's not be bothered by stealing, lying, coveting things that aren't yours, because oh uh Jesus wouldn't like the rules he agreed to. I propose we cut the goat in half and then I'll give it to whoever objects the least.
On the crazy woman's predicament though, I say arrest her for theft. If they want to piddle about over search and seizure laws that's fine in her criminal trial. Besides, I'm not sure the woman has a claim to an illegal search and seizure of not her property at not her farm. Whatever animal rescue might.
Jesus ate meat. These people are absolutely insane.
People forget that Jesus hung out with sinners expressly for the purpose of convincing them to stop sinning, and went on a literal rampage in the temple due to the dirty money changing going on.
They like the idea of a heavenly father who loves them, but hate the idea that He's also expecting things of them.
Always good to keep in mind that one of the answers to what would Jesus do is to flip tables and kick ass.
If I recall correctly, the hippies gave it to the cops because the cops showed up and told them.
Yeah I didn't think of that until I read it here. It just said "retrieved"
As has been noted by many red pill/ manosphere blogs, protestantism and western Christianity became all about the feelings at least by the sexual revolution in the 60s. Most western Christianity, especially American, is faker than fake.
The fast food, "I feel," "I want," "I think," self-centered, weak, idolatrous, Americanized "Christianity" is often closer to "do as thou wilt" Satanism than historical Christendom.
It's like a Satanic lullaby has herded people into a fraudulent version, allowing them to worship themselves but still have an emotional positive feeling that everything is OK like a spiritual comfort blanket. Positive affirmations with the core doctrines (like God's law, which flows with grace when we fail) and history stripped out.
Growing up in the US I know I've also been tainted as well (also by my own sin) and it's scary. Often I only focus on fixing myself rather than serving and glorifying God, seeking to advance His Kingdom. This has been a sick land for decades, and the cancer has metastasized
"American Christianity teaches the centrality of the individual: my will, my experiences, my decision, my heart, my work, and my dedication."
I said, “Oh, that I had wings like a dove! I would fly away and find rest. How far away I would flee! In the wilderness I would remain. I would hurry to my shelter, far from this raging tempest.” - Psalm 55:6-8
I don't understand the motivation. I recently sold my car for scrap. Upon learning that the car would be crushed and melted, I was horrified and stole the car back. Why sell the thing in the first place?
The only two things that I can imagine being sensible motivations are A: They thought they were going to get a lot more at auction and attempted to take it back.
Or a very simple reason:
I'm sure they both felt they were totally ready for this move, and then the day after they were crying because they totes weren't and reacted like dumb women rather than deal with the consequences of their actions.
I think it's the 3rd option here.
The seller was tribal and petty and then learned who was going to buy that goat.
The goat is stolen property, quite valuable property at that. They probably just went to the animal rescue and asked them to hand it over. After all, I doubt the animal rescue wants to deal with possession of stolen property charges.
The article is vague on how they "retrieved" the goat, probably intentionally so. Considering the whole framing of the article they would have mentioned if they went full FBI OPEN UP!
You are right, if I'm remember it correctly. They just gave it back to the deputies.
Only an issue if they forced their way onto that other farm.
If they just went along and said "Hey that goat the crazy lady gave you is stolen, we'd like to take it back now" and the farm owner went "Oh, right, I thought she was being weird. These documents do look in order, here you go!" then that's all fine I believe.
What is it with these fat fucking women and their sense of entitlement? If this was a sane society, the woman and her fucking spawn would be in jail, not raising money on some gofuckyourself account.
What's worse, is the nyPOSt treating this like it's some sorta poor victim narrative. No, the bitch wanted money, wanted the goat, and thought she could guilt people with her fat fucking daughter into keeping both.
Man, lawyers just need clearing out and starting over. This bitch really just called a near $1000 theft a "purely civil dispute".
She's a woman practicing law in California. She got her degree on her back.
She should have been arrested for theft. That's what the sheriff did wrong.
Normally I don't really care for editorialized titles, but yours are an art form unto themselves. I knew 3 words in who the poster was.
This seems to be where the whole story went off the rails, because until that point she was paying the guy who bought it back and he was on board with that trade.
I get the principle point they are coming from, but it also seems like a bit of overreach for them to be involved to the extent they went to from there. Mom is a retard, but the levels they went to to create a problem and then solve it like they were heroes paints the government as a far bigger bad guy in a story where there wasn't one prior.
She stole it first, then tried to negotiate.
The phrase "it's easier to ask forgiveness than permission" holds true because too many people are weak and don't have the willpower to punish liars and rule breakers because it makes them feel bad, and they make other honest citizens put up with their bullshit and do the hard part.
They're right, she needs to be punished to make it clear for next time that being honest is not only the right thing, but also the easiest thing. Since the bitch and her ilk are too dumb to know right from wrong they can at least learn which option hurts less.
You're right. I messed up the timeline there and that changes things considerably.
I still think the fact that the Cali cops can mobilize this quickly, happily, and easily over a nothing burger but gleefully let all sorts of other crimes just go unpunished is still an issue.
It does not matter what they agree on after the fact. What happened was the severe violation of the law.
Stealing it was, but stealing wouldn't have occurred without the government shoving its nose in someone else's business. She is 100% in the wrong from that point on, but she is one retard.
The CFDA and the entire police force is a mass of people who all agreed to massively overreact (and waste tax money) on a non-issue simply because they said its the principle, despite Cali government and law enforcement having 0 principles elsewhere.
I don't care about this event. I care when this same set of actions is used again on someone who is innocent because a precedent has been set for this overreaction.
Your title isn't accurate, and doesn't represent why people are so upset over this.
A third party slaughtered the goat, it wasn't the owner. The owner was the state senator, who bought the goat at the fair auction.
The first problem is the fair interfering with the transaction. The buyer and seller agreed to send the goat to a sanctuary, and the fair still got their $63 cut. But the fair refused to allow this agreement, and decided neither buyer nor seller gets to keep the goat. Instead, the fair gets to take it back, plus their $63 cut (on a $902 sale). This is why lawyers are involved. The goat did not belong to the fair anymore.
The second problem is the police aspect, which was already mentioned in this thread. The police were sent 500 miles away to retrieve the goat (remember the last time they did this for your stolen property?). They were given a warrant to use breaching equipment and open locked containers, like this was a drug bust. And the police immediately sent the goat to the third party for slaughter, which is not how property disputes are handled. The property is supposed to be held until the rightful owner is determined.
But, instead of recognizing the legal and enforcement cynicism this story represents, you reduced it to another "Karen" story.
Shut the fuck up. God damn, the ignorance of this akshully.
I saw some bullshit about this a while ago and figured they were lying by omission
This is a shit headline
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgg4bnlVCKU
That's the story.
What's their post?