The DMCA is fuckin garbage. Bungie can't win a technical battle with hax devs so they resort to court instead. Totally lame. Totally jewish.
The one point I think they should have a case against Mr May: He was banned from their servers and continued using them. That is the equivalent of hacking someone even if he changed his digital identity.
Trying to make what was a single player game into an always-online multiplayer game, then making it into a totally serious competitive multiplayer game was not embarassing enough for Bungie.
I don't like dealing with cheaters in multiplayer games, but fuck everyone involved here, really. Esports has been awful for vidya and every company pursuing it deserves suffering. And especially fuck Bungie for rotting away and being unable to handle making good games anymore.
I am pulled betwixt two worlds - I hate encountering aimbot in Halo CE enough to laugh at the misfortune of its devs, but I also don't like Bungie/343 enough to cheer them on as they line their pockets with lawsuits.
He doesn’t appear to have committed any crimes - using cheats/breaking unenforceable EULAs is entirely legal - and “toxic” is the language of mental rot.
Do you think a kid should have their life ruined for making a joke about a video game studio burning down?
Using cheats is what the pathetic and cowardly do, toxic aptly describes the little cunt as he wants to win at any cost and flaunt it. I hold no sympathy for cheaters in any format, “legal” or otherwise.
Do you think a kid should have their life ruined for making a joke about a video game studio burning down?
He’s 17, a kid by every definition is prepubescent. He’s old enough to join the military and should be held to that level of responsibility, not coddled like a pathetic little child.
So people should be unfairly dragged through legal proceedings because of (the supremely undefinable) “toxic behavior”?
Some sort of “scared straight” program for internet meanies? Golly, I sure hope you’ve never publicly opposed anything which might get you labeled “toxic”. Never said a slur or verbalized a “wrongthink” in range of an electronic device.
How old should a child be before they can undergo hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgery?
So people should be unfairly dragged through legal proceedings because of (the supremely undefinable) “toxic behavior”?
He’s being dragged through legal proceedings for fraud, violating terms of service, profiting off fraud and perceived threats. No where is toxic behavior listed as the damages done that is a descriptor not a metric, why are you intentionally conflating the two?
How old should a child be before they can undergo hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgery?
Once again child mean’s prepubescent, why are you intentionally conflating a 17 year old with a child?
>He’s being dragged through legal proceedings for fraud [buying the game again after being banned]
Not a crime
>violating terms of service [cheating],
Not a crime
>profiting off fraud [streaming his use of cheats and new accounts]
Not a crime
>and perceived threats [joking, on twitter, about the Bungie offices burning down]
Not a crime
> why are you intentionally conflating a 17 year old with a child?
I didn’t, I asked how old you think someone needs to be to make life altering decisions, and that was actually a double whammy, I also wanted to get you to realize how worthless a classification “toxic” is in regards to behavior, because no matter what your answer was (adeptly dodged, are you training for a political role?) it will be perceived as “toxic” to many.
>doesn’t appear to have committed any torts in precedence
Cheers dude, UANAL or what?
Also, interestingly, arbitration seems to be how these judgements are being won, I wonder if it’s because of state contract law or if the accused are waving a right to trial
No, I don’t cede ground on verbiage just because leftists overuse and bastardize words. If others did the same we wouldn’t have the constant degradation of definitions.
There’s nothing to cede. No reasonable person has ever used “toxic” to describe human behavior. The term itself is and has always been a subversion of language, thought, and dialogue
I want to slap online cheaters upside the head and take their lunch money too, but this sounds a bit unhinged. It's just a game bro. If that's your punishment for teenagers using wallhax, I'd hate to see what your punishment would be for feminists, games journalists, people who rig elections, Communists, pedophiles, other assorted Hollywood degenerates, and the globalist banking cartel.
There are a lot of hackers in the former Soviet bloc too. I think it comes down to a few things: a) relatively high technical skill. Can't hack without this b) relatively low income. Honest work is more profitable in first-world countries. c) Low respect for international law ((())). Risk vs reward; doing this in the US is risky. A court will come fuck you like this. China DNGAF
Was someone doing this inside the US? Much smarter to do that somewhere they do not care.
I actually almost look down on any country that enforces US copyright when their people are poor. Of course if you want any sort of domestic industry you have to do reciprocity. So it is not overly simple
This is basically an admission that Bungie can't deal with hax0rs via technical measures or even policing their own game and is hoping that some RL trolling works. If I were worried about cheaters in their game, I'd continue to be. Because they will keep going.
It’s interesting, it seems like it’s still not technically illegal to sell cheats, which is why Bungie (and other recent examples like riot suing Valorant cheat devs) needs to roll the “cheat selling” into other, larger claims like “fraud”.
I’m with you on the legal opposition to the sellers and banning the hackers, but what do you think about how they seem to be going even further, and suing individual cheat users for “fraud” (buying their game multiple times lol), and “harassment” (making jokes about them on twitter)? That seems too far to me.
The DMCA should have just been called the Disney copyright in perpetuity act
The DMCA is fuckin garbage. Bungie can't win a technical battle with hax devs so they resort to court instead. Totally lame. Totally jewish.
The one point I think they should have a case against Mr May: He was banned from their servers and continued using them. That is the equivalent of hacking someone even if he changed his digital identity.
Trying to make what was a single player game into an always-online multiplayer game, then making it into a totally serious competitive multiplayer game was not embarassing enough for Bungie.
I don't like dealing with cheaters in multiplayer games, but fuck everyone involved here, really. Esports has been awful for vidya and every company pursuing it deserves suffering. And especially fuck Bungie for rotting away and being unable to handle making good games anymore.
Imagine being the kind of fuckboi that uses aimbot on fucking Destiny 2.
Imagine being the kind of fuckboi that sets up an LLC in the US with your real names.
Highly doubt Bungie is going to see a fraction of that money considering these kind of court cases are about setting presidents and sending messages.
I am pulled betwixt two worlds - I hate encountering aimbot in Halo CE enough to laugh at the misfortune of its devs, but I also don't like Bungie/343 enough to cheer them on as they line their pockets with lawsuits.
New suit - https://wccftech.com/destiny-2-cheat-seller-lavicheats-is-hit-by-6-7m-lawsuit-from-bungie/
They’ve even sued individual players for “harassment” :
https://torrentfreak.com/that-rude-kid-sued-by-bungie-for-cheating-in-destiny-2-is-fighting-back-220921/
Hopefully this is a wake up call to not be a toxic pos, though it’s more than likely going to embolden him because of the “I’m just a minor” defense.
He doesn’t appear to have committed any crimes - using cheats/breaking unenforceable EULAs is entirely legal - and “toxic” is the language of mental rot.
Do you think a kid should have their life ruined for making a joke about a video game studio burning down?
Using cheats is what the pathetic and cowardly do, toxic aptly describes the little cunt as he wants to win at any cost and flaunt it. I hold no sympathy for cheaters in any format, “legal” or otherwise.
He’s 17, a kid by every definition is prepubescent. He’s old enough to join the military and should be held to that level of responsibility, not coddled like a pathetic little child.
Fuck cheaters - that being said:
So people should be unfairly dragged through legal proceedings because of (the supremely undefinable) “toxic behavior”?
Some sort of “scared straight” program for internet meanies? Golly, I sure hope you’ve never publicly opposed anything which might get you labeled “toxic”. Never said a slur or verbalized a “wrongthink” in range of an electronic device.
How old should a child be before they can undergo hormone therapy and gender-affirming surgery?
He’s being dragged through legal proceedings for fraud, violating terms of service, profiting off fraud and perceived threats. No where is toxic behavior listed as the damages done that is a descriptor not a metric, why are you intentionally conflating the two?
Once again child mean’s prepubescent, why are you intentionally conflating a 17 year old with a child?
>He’s being dragged through legal proceedings for fraud [buying the game again after being banned]
Not a crime
>violating terms of service [cheating],
Not a crime
>profiting off fraud [streaming his use of cheats and new accounts]
Not a crime
>and perceived threats [joking, on twitter, about the Bungie offices burning down]
Not a crime
> why are you intentionally conflating a 17 year old with a child?
I didn’t, I asked how old you think someone needs to be to make life altering decisions, and that was actually a double whammy, I also wanted to get you to realize how worthless a classification “toxic” is in regards to behavior, because no matter what your answer was (adeptly dodged, are you training for a political role?) it will be perceived as “toxic” to many.
Not a crime
Actually he was reusing bungies trademark without permission to profit, that is textbook criminal fraud, try reading
You didn’t say someone, you said child
lol kill yourself
Lol grow a pair and come do it yourself pussy
>doesn’t appear to have committed any torts in precedence
Cheers dude, UANAL or what?
Also, interestingly, arbitration seems to be how these judgements are being won, I wonder if it’s because of state contract law or if the accused are waving a right to trial
You sound quite anti-semantic.
To any non-homosexual, “illegal”/“crime” implicitly includes “violations of tort and contract law precedent” aka “civil” law.
You’re doing an
>ACKSHULLY
right now
Guy, you learn the difference between Civil Law and Criminal Law in civics class. Or perhaps "Legal Studies" In high school.
It is a distinction that has profound impact and is very much germane to the issue at hand.
You know that you are making a semantics argument, right? Then arguing for a definition that is literally wrong.
Let them keep this one. It's not worth it.
No, I don’t cede ground on verbiage just because leftists overuse and bastardize words. If others did the same we wouldn’t have the constant degradation of definitions.
There’s nothing to cede. No reasonable person has ever used “toxic” to describe human behavior. The term itself is and has always been a subversion of language, thought, and dialogue
Nice. It's not cutting their hands off or piking their heads like I prefer, but it's a start.
I want to slap online cheaters upside the head and take their lunch money too, but this sounds a bit unhinged. It's just a game bro. If that's your punishment for teenagers using wallhax, I'd hate to see what your punishment would be for feminists, games journalists, people who rig elections, Communists, pedophiles, other assorted Hollywood degenerates, and the globalist banking cartel.
Actually maybe I'd like to see it.
Vlad Tepes was a pretty nice guy.
Also, most hackers ARE communists, either of the FOSS variety or the chink variety.
You’re right just because there are so many Chinese people.
There are a lot of hackers in the former Soviet bloc too. I think it comes down to a few things: a) relatively high technical skill. Can't hack without this b) relatively low income. Honest work is more profitable in first-world countries. c) Low respect for international law ((())). Risk vs reward; doing this in the US is risky. A court will come fuck you like this. China DNGAF
Add brazil to that list, though most of those are script kiddies.
Actuall hol' up
Was someone doing this inside the US? Much smarter to do that somewhere they do not care.
I actually almost look down on any country that enforces US copyright when their people are poor. Of course if you want any sort of domestic industry you have to do reciprocity. So it is not overly simple
This is basically an admission that Bungie can't deal with hax0rs via technical measures or even policing their own game and is hoping that some RL trolling works. If I were worried about cheaters in their game, I'd continue to be. Because they will keep going.
It’s interesting, it seems like it’s still not technically illegal to sell cheats, which is why Bungie (and other recent examples like riot suing Valorant cheat devs) needs to roll the “cheat selling” into other, larger claims like “fraud”.
I’m with you on the legal opposition to the sellers and banning the hackers, but what do you think about how they seem to be going even further, and suing individual cheat users for “fraud” (buying their game multiple times lol), and “harassment” (making jokes about them on twitter)? That seems too far to me.
These fucking cheaters are ontologically evil. I don't care what happens to them as long as it hurts. It's personal.
Harsh, but, meh, in their existence as cheaters they do derive their enjoyment solely through ruining the enjoyment of others, so I guess fair enough