Once again I would like to apologize for thinking back in 2012 that selling to Disney was a good idea. I’ll happily keep reading my EU books/comic books.
I remember someone wrote a book in the late 80s about how to normalize homosexuality and put it in all facets of life. Step one was to make sympathetic gay characters while making Christian//the church the villain. Seems like they have won
Nothing's over until you throw in the towel, man. If Germany can go from Weimar degeneracy (including pretty much everything that's going on right now and even worse actually, like 'literal epidemic of child prostitutes openly plying their trade' worse) to electing Literally Hitler in 10 years and Russia can survive both 70+ years of Communism in all its genocidal 'glory' and the efforts of liberal capitalists to pillage it for all it was worth in the '90s to revert back toward adopting hard-right nationalist & religious traditionalist ideology, there must still be hope for today's America.
Certainly, showing the enemy's propaganda to be the mask of hollow lies over the demon's face that it is while also working to vindicate every gay-bashing fundamentalist who got dismissed as a loon back in the day (shouldn't be that hard since pretty much everything they warned about is coming true now) will be one important vector of attack among many others for the Right going forward.
working to vindicate every gay-bashing fundamentalist who got dismissed as a loon back in the day (shouldn't be that hard since pretty much everything they warned about is coming true now)
I regret opposing this bloc when they were sounding the alarm back in the '80s when I was a leftist in my 20s. I opposed them because I thought they were irrational and alarmist, I doubted the reality of the social slippery slope, and because they were allied with cunts like Tipper Gore who wanted to censor "offensive" lyrics in pop music.
Live and learn. I've been using this phrase a lot lately.
Neither Germany nor Russia survived leftism. They fought it and won, but what rose from the ashes was not the same country that was burned down. What happened was more akin to a reincarnation.
America being reincarnated into a brutally isolationist empire a la Edo period Japan is basically the best outcome we can hope for. The carefree days of freedom and democracy are over, as both concepts have been proven to be too easy to subvert. The only question now is whether our future dictators will be malevolent or benevolent.
I suppose it depends on how 'national survival' is defined. Certainly Germany didn't bring back the Kaiser and Russia didn't bring back the Tsar. The fact that there was still a Germany or a Russia still standing at all is impressive enough, especially in the latter case considering Lenin & friends were pretty determined to extinguish Russian nationalism (which they called 'Great Russian chauvinism') and empower non-Russians as part of the process of undermining & destroying the Russian nation (seriously, korenizatsiya seems like something the present-day woke left would cook up).
I don't know what the future holds for sure, but looking at the degeneration of things from the French Revolution onward I can't really disagree with Tolkien's idea of the 'great decline'. Shit's been rolling downhill for a long time and it seems every 'great' new iteration of Satanic deconstructionism is worse than the last - Jacobinism first, then Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism and modern intersectionality, each working mightily to top its predecessors in nihilism, sadism and anti-humanity. But always it's been contained, defeated and suppressed for a time, even if the nations that overcame the threat at the time were understandably left scarred. (Some eras of peace & freedom from deconstructionism's long shadow are shorter than others, of course. Metternich and the Coalition Powers gave the world a respite that lasted 100 years, the respite after the USSR went under lasted less than 30)
Maybe you're right and the US will wall itself off from the rest of the world as the latter goes to hell over this century & the next. It already has pretty much all the resources it needs to survive & thrive on its own, or at least it can acquire them by gobbling up its comparatively weak neighbors. Or maybe a New World Charlemagne will emerge from Wyoming, striving first to restore order, purify evil and bring back the lost values of old in the United States before turning American arms outward to burn deconstructionism out from the rest of the Western civilizational sphere.
I don't know, but I do know that evil cannot conquer forever - just as it has boasted of doing so in the past, seemingly came close to it time & again (even at the beginning, Revolutionary/Napoleonic France still beat 5 out of 7 Coalitions assembled against them after all) but always ultimately fell short, no matter whether it took 30 years or 70. And given how much opprobrium the modern woke intersectionalists have been & are continuing to cultivate even in seemingly safe blue states like Virginia, I suspect the time to sow the earth with their blood might come sooner than it did for less openly degenerate & psychopathic strains of deconstructionism.
Last time anyone heard from the old Gamergate time machine, it was in orbit of Neptune and the crew was speaking in tongues. Wherever it went, it left the door open, and I'm pretty sure drag queens are what crawled out.
Eternal September began while you were still wet behind the ears. Still, it was tolerable. The real collapse was the big bang... theory. Seriously, the downfall of intellectual and/or nerdy hobbies ties directly with that show's rise in fame. Could be a coincidence of timing, but it seems clear that hiring a bunch of professional male models (fun fact, that) to portray "omg I'm so nerdy" as a popular and cool thing led to an influx into the hobby-types.
And that hobby-type gatekept things like the internet, which lets them spread their message wide, and also disability spheres, which are prime predation ground for the wokists.
Like, as others have pointed out, there’s a clear push here…
What I don’t understand is why “normies” just rolled over and accepted that, and now clap along like seals at how “stunning and brave” this shit is…
People I know irl are like that. I truly don’t understand.
It’s a dealbreaker, for me, with women (not that it comes up that often, thank fuck) - it’s surprising quite how many of them love le drag…
It’s even gotten to the point now where other straight men that I know will go along to drag performances, with or without their girlfriends… Mostly for a good virtue signal (I hope)…
Though honestly, if you’re choosing to go to these things specifically, are you really straight..? 🤔
What I don’t understand is why “normies” just rolled over and accepted that
Normies were not consulted. I'm pretty sure most will find it bizarre. The leftist NPC types, on the other hand, will gladly sacrifice their children on the altar of a virtue-signal.
Frankly, normies may be in the right - they don't care about what happens, because they don't have an effect on it anyway. All we do is bitch online, with zero effect. Any one of us could be a Libs of Tik Tok or a Rufo. Literally a 26-year-old Jewish woman in Brooklyn who changed public perceptions by revealing stuff. I'm sure everyone who knew her hates her for doing that. What's my excuse? Not sure.
People I know irl are like that. I truly don’t understand.
I have a different experience. More like, whenever you tell someone something that's happening, they look at you as if you're the crazy one - because obviously, only a sick mind could make up something like that.
I guess that's a strategy. Do stuff that is so outlandish that people won't believe it.
Though honestly, if you’re choosing to go to these things specifically, are you really straight..? 🤔
I know one thing: if you like looking at degenerate, fat perverts in women's clothing, you most certainly aren't homosexual.
Speak for yourself man. I actually go out and preach my psychomadness and participate in small town activism. Managed to pull at least a few long time friends out of the purity spiral of Leftism back to just the "well we should be nice and help people but that's too much" low level libshit. A nothingburger of useless on the societal scale, but its the best most can accomplish without a lucky life situation.
Which, if everyone in these types of forums went out and did might actually reach societal scale. But instead many rather just cut off everyone who minorly disagrees with their "10 years of red pilling got me here, why don't you instantly agree with me" position or rant about hating Jews/Women so loudly no one wants to be associated with you.
Managed to pull at least a few long time friends out of the purity spiral of Leftism back to just the "well we should be nice and help people but that's too much" low level libshit. A nothingburger of useless on the societal scale
Anything that makes a change in the real world is a big win as far as I'm concerned.
Which, if everyone in these types of forums went out and did might actually reach societal scale. But instead many rather just cut off everyone who minorly disagrees with their "10 years of red pilling got me here, why don't you instantly agree with me" position or rant about hating Jews/Women so loudly no one wants to be associated with you.
Yes, it is a huge problem when you are too far from the NPC hivemind. And it's applicable even when you're not interested in hating on Jews and women. If you are too far removed from someone's views, then you not only do not persuade, you probably even push them in the wrong direction.
You also have to time it right. I've had people make stupid comments about 'Putin', and I managed to not chimp-out by the ridiculousness of it, in fact, completely ignore it. The thing is, if any mention of a given thing sets you off, people will think you're some sort of fanatic. Even if you are, you should strive not to make the appearance.
It helps that most people are reasonable, as much as this is obscured by the crusty overlay of NPC nonsense pushed by the media. This is because, as Conquest said, everyone is conservative about what he knows. Except for a few fame-hungry gold-diggers, people don't want their kid to slice off his balls and become a troon. They don't want to die in a nuclear holocaust. They don't want to reduce their standard of living to 0 for some minimal impact on the climate.
If you are too far removed from someone's views, then you not only do not persuade, you probably even push them in the wrong direction.
Even if you are removed, having the ability to understand their position well enough to emulate being far closer to it while in conversation is the biggest key.
As such, like I often preach to our Impy boy, I strive to have a deep understanding of not just feminist literature but the psychology and emotions that bring someone to that position, and even just women in general. Which, given my ideological crusade is mostly anti-feminist and misogynistic, puts me in the strongest place to reach people who believe such and slowly pull them closer to my side.
And once you are in their circle as "someone who gets it" and "likeable, maybe attractive even" then you can get away with convincing them of all sorts of things antithetical to their ideological bend. Its why "Right Wing Grifters" are such a big problem that I chimp out about constantly, because I can see that game being played in action on people who can't fathom someone like Rekeita or Peterson or Candace Owens might be playing them towards a long term division*.
Even if you are removed, having the ability to understand their position well enough to emulate being far closer to it while in conversation is the biggest key.
Yes, that is almost impossible when you are far removed. Though you don't even need to pretend to believe it. You can just ask a question that makes them think just a bit more.
I strive to have a deep understanding of not just feminist literature but the psychology and emotions that bring someone to that position
It certainly isn't feminist literature. Most women who call themselves feminists are just dupes. "Yeah, I like feminism because I want to be paid the same as a man." Imp would respond: "Yeah, you GENOCIDE PUSHING terrorist, that is what you WANT us to think! More feminine lies!" And the dupe would be like "? What are you on about?"
Which, given my ideological crusade is mostly anti-feminist and misogynistic
Other than wanting women to fulfill traditional roles, how are you 'misogynistic'?
And once you are in their circle as "someone who gets it" and "likeable, maybe attractive even" then you can get away with convincing them of all sorts of things antithetical to their ideological bend.
People underestimate how key being liked is to persuasion. Also how much you can accomplish if you can get someone to laugh. Unfortunately, a lot of the folks on the far-right are some of the most humorless people around, who think that "OY VEY IT'S ANUDDA SHOAH SIX GORILLION" is the height of comedy.
I can see that game being played in action on people who can't fathom someone like Rekeita or Peterson or Candace Owens might be playing them towards a long term goal.
Though you don't even need to pretend to believe it. You can just ask a question that makes them think just a bit more.
I find it more effective if you pretend to be in their corner to some extent before asking the unravelling question. It lowers their innate defenses and allows their mind to be far more willing to wander.
It certainly isn't feminist literature
You'd be surprised. Feministing as an ideology and political position thrives on selling the 100% position so that way reality settles them on the 77% position, which is still well within their success range. They never managed to completely destroy the institution of marriage and stop women from having husbands, but they managed to turn it into such a joke that it is still pretty worthless and the husband is more of a bank than a partner for many, for just one offhand example.
how are you 'misogynistic'?
Because my political/ideological position and my personal one are not perfectly congruent. I understand what roles and ideas are needed for a society to improve and flourish and that is what I try to preach, but my innate thoughts are far closer to the "smug bitch deserved correction, sucks to suck hoe" line.
Yeah, I doubt any long term goal.
That was a poor word to explain what I meant, and I even knew it at the time. I didn't mean they specifically had a long term goal they were deceiving people towards, as they are all clearly just riding the wave and many are just impulsively screaming what people want to hear.
Allow me to edit it to "long term division," which was more in line with what I was trying to get across. In that their fanbase will eventually be split along a line where some support them unconditionally and rewrite their own positions to allow for this clear violation of their ideology wherein they are forced into combat with their own side who can see the problem with the whole shebang.
Star Wars?
Pedophiles. Broke pedophiles.
Once again I would like to apologize for thinking back in 2012 that selling to Disney was a good idea. I’ll happily keep reading my EU books/comic books.
Drag in everything.. nuclear safety convention should have drag. League of nations should have drag. Your grandmas funeral should have drag.
Featuring Mark Hamill as Lucile Skywalker.
I remember someone wrote a book in the late 80s about how to normalize homosexuality and put it in all facets of life. Step one was to make sympathetic gay characters while making Christian//the church the villain. Seems like they have won
Nothing's over until you throw in the towel, man. If Germany can go from Weimar degeneracy (including pretty much everything that's going on right now and even worse actually, like 'literal epidemic of child prostitutes openly plying their trade' worse) to electing Literally Hitler in 10 years and Russia can survive both 70+ years of Communism in all its genocidal 'glory' and the efforts of liberal capitalists to pillage it for all it was worth in the '90s to revert back toward adopting hard-right nationalist & religious traditionalist ideology, there must still be hope for today's America.
Certainly, showing the enemy's propaganda to be the mask of hollow lies over the demon's face that it is while also working to vindicate every gay-bashing fundamentalist who got dismissed as a loon back in the day (shouldn't be that hard since pretty much everything they warned about is coming true now) will be one important vector of attack among many others for the Right going forward.
I regret opposing this bloc when they were sounding the alarm back in the '80s when I was a leftist in my 20s. I opposed them because I thought they were irrational and alarmist, I doubted the reality of the social slippery slope, and because they were allied with cunts like Tipper Gore who wanted to censor "offensive" lyrics in pop music.
Live and learn. I've been using this phrase a lot lately.
Neither Germany nor Russia survived leftism. They fought it and won, but what rose from the ashes was not the same country that was burned down. What happened was more akin to a reincarnation.
America being reincarnated into a brutally isolationist empire a la Edo period Japan is basically the best outcome we can hope for. The carefree days of freedom and democracy are over, as both concepts have been proven to be too easy to subvert. The only question now is whether our future dictators will be malevolent or benevolent.
I suppose it depends on how 'national survival' is defined. Certainly Germany didn't bring back the Kaiser and Russia didn't bring back the Tsar. The fact that there was still a Germany or a Russia still standing at all is impressive enough, especially in the latter case considering Lenin & friends were pretty determined to extinguish Russian nationalism (which they called 'Great Russian chauvinism') and empower non-Russians as part of the process of undermining & destroying the Russian nation (seriously, korenizatsiya seems like something the present-day woke left would cook up).
I don't know what the future holds for sure, but looking at the degeneration of things from the French Revolution onward I can't really disagree with Tolkien's idea of the 'great decline'. Shit's been rolling downhill for a long time and it seems every 'great' new iteration of Satanic deconstructionism is worse than the last - Jacobinism first, then Marxism, Marxism-Leninism, Maoism and modern intersectionality, each working mightily to top its predecessors in nihilism, sadism and anti-humanity. But always it's been contained, defeated and suppressed for a time, even if the nations that overcame the threat at the time were understandably left scarred. (Some eras of peace & freedom from deconstructionism's long shadow are shorter than others, of course. Metternich and the Coalition Powers gave the world a respite that lasted 100 years, the respite after the USSR went under lasted less than 30)
Maybe you're right and the US will wall itself off from the rest of the world as the latter goes to hell over this century & the next. It already has pretty much all the resources it needs to survive & thrive on its own, or at least it can acquire them by gobbling up its comparatively weak neighbors. Or maybe a New World Charlemagne will emerge from Wyoming, striving first to restore order, purify evil and bring back the lost values of old in the United States before turning American arms outward to burn deconstructionism out from the rest of the Western civilizational sphere.
I don't know, but I do know that evil cannot conquer forever - just as it has boasted of doing so in the past, seemingly came close to it time & again (even at the beginning, Revolutionary/Napoleonic France still beat 5 out of 7 Coalitions assembled against them after all) but always ultimately fell short, no matter whether it took 30 years or 70. And given how much opprobrium the modern woke intersectionalists have been & are continuing to cultivate even in seemingly safe blue states like Virginia, I suspect the time to sow the earth with their blood might come sooner than it did for less openly degenerate & psychopathic strains of deconstructionism.
Wait, I thought we already have benevolent dictators who are desperately trying to make our lives Safe and Effective.
I'd be happier with indifferent.
That’s true. I no longer deal with any Disney Star Wars but like you said things can swing back.
Last time anyone heard from the old Gamergate time machine, it was in orbit of Neptune and the crew was speaking in tongues. Wherever it went, it left the door open, and I'm pretty sure drag queens are what crawled out.
Everything has gone to absolute sh*t since 2014. Seriously, how bad were things before 2014?
Are we sure GooberGape did not cause a rupture in the fabric of spacetime and push us all into a nightmarish parallel universe?
This is a matter of perspective. From my POV, things have been going to shit since 1980.
Eternal September began while you were still wet behind the ears. Still, it was tolerable. The real collapse was the big bang... theory. Seriously, the downfall of intellectual and/or nerdy hobbies ties directly with that show's rise in fame. Could be a coincidence of timing, but it seems clear that hiring a bunch of professional male models (fun fact, that) to portray "omg I'm so nerdy" as a popular and cool thing led to an influx into the hobby-types.
And that hobby-type gatekept things like the internet, which lets them spread their message wide, and also disability spheres, which are prime predation ground for the wokists.
Are you sure? They're not exactly lookers.
You know, nor do I…
Like, as others have pointed out, there’s a clear push here…
What I don’t understand is why “normies” just rolled over and accepted that, and now clap along like seals at how “stunning and brave” this shit is…
People I know irl are like that. I truly don’t understand.
It’s a dealbreaker, for me, with women (not that it comes up that often, thank fuck) - it’s surprising quite how many of them love le drag…
It’s even gotten to the point now where other straight men that I know will go along to drag performances, with or without their girlfriends… Mostly for a good virtue signal (I hope)…
Though honestly, if you’re choosing to go to these things specifically, are you really straight..? 🤔
Normies were not consulted. I'm pretty sure most will find it bizarre. The leftist NPC types, on the other hand, will gladly sacrifice their children on the altar of a virtue-signal.
Frankly, normies may be in the right - they don't care about what happens, because they don't have an effect on it anyway. All we do is bitch online, with zero effect. Any one of us could be a Libs of Tik Tok or a Rufo. Literally a 26-year-old Jewish woman in Brooklyn who changed public perceptions by revealing stuff. I'm sure everyone who knew her hates her for doing that. What's my excuse? Not sure.
I have a different experience. More like, whenever you tell someone something that's happening, they look at you as if you're the crazy one - because obviously, only a sick mind could make up something like that.
I guess that's a strategy. Do stuff that is so outlandish that people won't believe it.
I know one thing: if you like looking at degenerate, fat perverts in women's clothing, you most certainly aren't homosexual.
Speak for yourself man. I actually go out and preach my psychomadness and participate in small town activism. Managed to pull at least a few long time friends out of the purity spiral of Leftism back to just the "well we should be nice and help people but that's too much" low level libshit. A nothingburger of useless on the societal scale, but its the best most can accomplish without a lucky life situation.
Which, if everyone in these types of forums went out and did might actually reach societal scale. But instead many rather just cut off everyone who minorly disagrees with their "10 years of red pilling got me here, why don't you instantly agree with me" position or rant about hating Jews/Women so loudly no one wants to be associated with you.
Anything that makes a change in the real world is a big win as far as I'm concerned.
Yes, it is a huge problem when you are too far from the NPC hivemind. And it's applicable even when you're not interested in hating on Jews and women. If you are too far removed from someone's views, then you not only do not persuade, you probably even push them in the wrong direction.
You also have to time it right. I've had people make stupid comments about 'Putin', and I managed to not chimp-out by the ridiculousness of it, in fact, completely ignore it. The thing is, if any mention of a given thing sets you off, people will think you're some sort of fanatic. Even if you are, you should strive not to make the appearance.
It helps that most people are reasonable, as much as this is obscured by the crusty overlay of NPC nonsense pushed by the media. This is because, as Conquest said, everyone is conservative about what he knows. Except for a few fame-hungry gold-diggers, people don't want their kid to slice off his balls and become a troon. They don't want to die in a nuclear holocaust. They don't want to reduce their standard of living to 0 for some minimal impact on the climate.
Even if you are removed, having the ability to understand their position well enough to emulate being far closer to it while in conversation is the biggest key.
As such, like I often preach to our Impy boy, I strive to have a deep understanding of not just feminist literature but the psychology and emotions that bring someone to that position, and even just women in general. Which, given my ideological crusade is mostly anti-feminist and misogynistic, puts me in the strongest place to reach people who believe such and slowly pull them closer to my side.
And once you are in their circle as "someone who gets it" and "likeable, maybe attractive even" then you can get away with convincing them of all sorts of things antithetical to their ideological bend. Its why "Right Wing Grifters" are such a big problem that I chimp out about constantly, because I can see that game being played in action on people who can't fathom someone like Rekeita or Peterson or Candace Owens might be playing them towards a long term division*.
Yes, that is almost impossible when you are far removed. Though you don't even need to pretend to believe it. You can just ask a question that makes them think just a bit more.
It certainly isn't feminist literature. Most women who call themselves feminists are just dupes. "Yeah, I like feminism because I want to be paid the same as a man." Imp would respond: "Yeah, you GENOCIDE PUSHING terrorist, that is what you WANT us to think! More feminine lies!" And the dupe would be like "? What are you on about?"
Other than wanting women to fulfill traditional roles, how are you 'misogynistic'?
People underestimate how key being liked is to persuasion. Also how much you can accomplish if you can get someone to laugh. Unfortunately, a lot of the folks on the far-right are some of the most humorless people around, who think that "OY VEY IT'S ANUDDA SHOAH SIX GORILLION" is the height of comedy.
Yeah, I doubt any long term goal.
I find it more effective if you pretend to be in their corner to some extent before asking the unravelling question. It lowers their innate defenses and allows their mind to be far more willing to wander.
You'd be surprised. Feministing as an ideology and political position thrives on selling the 100% position so that way reality settles them on the 77% position, which is still well within their success range. They never managed to completely destroy the institution of marriage and stop women from having husbands, but they managed to turn it into such a joke that it is still pretty worthless and the husband is more of a bank than a partner for many, for just one offhand example.
Because my political/ideological position and my personal one are not perfectly congruent. I understand what roles and ideas are needed for a society to improve and flourish and that is what I try to preach, but my innate thoughts are far closer to the "smug bitch deserved correction, sucks to suck hoe" line.
That was a poor word to explain what I meant, and I even knew it at the time. I didn't mean they specifically had a long term goal they were deceiving people towards, as they are all clearly just riding the wave and many are just impulsively screaming what people want to hear.
Allow me to edit it to "long term division," which was more in line with what I was trying to get across. In that their fanbase will eventually be split along a line where some support them unconditionally and rewrite their own positions to allow for this clear violation of their ideology wherein they are forced into combat with their own side who can see the problem with the whole shebang.
Agreed. But you couldn’t pay me enough to go to those
What if you went to one for [fedpost content redacted]
I dont either. It wasn’t that long ago when a drag Queen reading to kids would be arrested.
A few options spring to mind.
Typical leftist arrogance to the point of stupidity when they get in power.
They're trying to provoke reactions.