Though you don't even need to pretend to believe it. You can just ask a question that makes them think just a bit more.
I find it more effective if you pretend to be in their corner to some extent before asking the unravelling question. It lowers their innate defenses and allows their mind to be far more willing to wander.
It certainly isn't feminist literature
You'd be surprised. Feministing as an ideology and political position thrives on selling the 100% position so that way reality settles them on the 77% position, which is still well within their success range. They never managed to completely destroy the institution of marriage and stop women from having husbands, but they managed to turn it into such a joke that it is still pretty worthless and the husband is more of a bank than a partner for many, for just one offhand example.
how are you 'misogynistic'?
Because my political/ideological position and my personal one are not perfectly congruent. I understand what roles and ideas are needed for a society to improve and flourish and that is what I try to preach, but my innate thoughts are far closer to the "smug bitch deserved correction, sucks to suck hoe" line.
Yeah, I doubt any long term goal.
That was a poor word to explain what I meant, and I even knew it at the time. I didn't mean they specifically had a long term goal they were deceiving people towards, as they are all clearly just riding the wave and many are just impulsively screaming what people want to hear.
Allow me to edit it to "long term division," which was more in line with what I was trying to get across. In that their fanbase will eventually be split along a line where some support them unconditionally and rewrite their own positions to allow for this clear violation of their ideology wherein they are forced into combat with their own side who can see the problem with the whole shebang.
I find it more effective if you pretend to be in their corner to some extent before asking the unravelling question. It lowers their innate defenses and allows their mind to be far more willing to wander.
Absolutely true. That said, I'm not comfortable with dissimulation for something like that.
Feministing as an ideology and political position thrives on selling the 100% position so that way reality settles them on the 77% position, which is still well within their success range.
What I mean is that no one even reads feminist literature. Not even feminists. They just absorb talking points from the culture. Rape culture, and if they have been groped by some inbred boy in high school, they have personal experience to back it up. Wage gap.
They never managed to completely destroy the institution of marriage and stop women from having husbands, but they managed to turn it into such a joke that it is still pretty worthless and the husband is more of a bank than a partner for many, for just one offhand example.
They haven't made marriage unattractive per se, as much as increased the viability and attractiveness of the alternative for men. Living together without marriage is great. Sure, but not so much for women, is it?
Because my political/ideological position and my personal one are not perfectly congruent. I understand what roles and ideas are needed for a society to improve and flourish and that is what I try to preach, but my innate thoughts are far closer to the "smug bitch deserved correction, sucks to suck hoe" line.
I wouldn't call that misogyny, but OK. You'd definitely lose a contest of The Greatest Misogynist to our friend here.
Allow me to edit it to "long term division," which was more in line with what I was trying to get across. In that their fanbase will eventually be split along a line where some support them unconditionally and rewrite their own positions to allow for this clear violation of their ideology wherein they are forced into combat with their own side who can see the problem with the whole shebang.
Let's hope they are not cultists like that. I like Peterson but I can also see where he is wrong, at least in my opinion.
What I mean is that no one even reads feminist literature. Not even feminists. They just absorb talking points from the culture.
They don't need to read it. Its become so ingrained in that culture that the broad strokes of it are simply given by everybody. Things that needed to be taught and written about 70 years ago are just how girls are raised now.
I wouldn't call that misogyny, but OK.
I try not to go full powerlevel on it in public, so its a bit difficult for me to expound upon. But I can assure you, he is simply what I was 10 years and a lot more sympathy for them ago. If our mutual target were Jews, he would be a stormfag living in New York screaming about his neighbors and I'd be Hitler sitting in a jailcell waiting.
Let's hope they are not cultists like that.
Peterson has the ones that are the most cultlike of all the examples I picked. While its hard for a lot of them to deny he is wrong at times, they will make 7 dozen excuses for him to not tarnish their deified prophet and you are clearly still wrong for holding him accountable at all.
I find it more effective if you pretend to be in their corner to some extent before asking the unravelling question. It lowers their innate defenses and allows their mind to be far more willing to wander.
You'd be surprised. Feministing as an ideology and political position thrives on selling the 100% position so that way reality settles them on the 77% position, which is still well within their success range. They never managed to completely destroy the institution of marriage and stop women from having husbands, but they managed to turn it into such a joke that it is still pretty worthless and the husband is more of a bank than a partner for many, for just one offhand example.
Because my political/ideological position and my personal one are not perfectly congruent. I understand what roles and ideas are needed for a society to improve and flourish and that is what I try to preach, but my innate thoughts are far closer to the "smug bitch deserved correction, sucks to suck hoe" line.
That was a poor word to explain what I meant, and I even knew it at the time. I didn't mean they specifically had a long term goal they were deceiving people towards, as they are all clearly just riding the wave and many are just impulsively screaming what people want to hear.
Allow me to edit it to "long term division," which was more in line with what I was trying to get across. In that their fanbase will eventually be split along a line where some support them unconditionally and rewrite their own positions to allow for this clear violation of their ideology wherein they are forced into combat with their own side who can see the problem with the whole shebang.
Absolutely true. That said, I'm not comfortable with dissimulation for something like that.
What I mean is that no one even reads feminist literature. Not even feminists. They just absorb talking points from the culture. Rape culture, and if they have been groped by some inbred boy in high school, they have personal experience to back it up. Wage gap.
They haven't made marriage unattractive per se, as much as increased the viability and attractiveness of the alternative for men. Living together without marriage is great. Sure, but not so much for women, is it?
I wouldn't call that misogyny, but OK. You'd definitely lose a contest of The Greatest Misogynist to our friend here.
Let's hope they are not cultists like that. I like Peterson but I can also see where he is wrong, at least in my opinion.
They don't need to read it. Its become so ingrained in that culture that the broad strokes of it are simply given by everybody. Things that needed to be taught and written about 70 years ago are just how girls are raised now.
I try not to go full powerlevel on it in public, so its a bit difficult for me to expound upon. But I can assure you, he is simply what I was 10 years and a lot more sympathy for them ago. If our mutual target were Jews, he would be a stormfag living in New York screaming about his neighbors and I'd be Hitler sitting in a jailcell waiting.
Peterson has the ones that are the most cultlike of all the examples I picked. While its hard for a lot of them to deny he is wrong at times, they will make 7 dozen excuses for him to not tarnish their deified prophet and you are clearly still wrong for holding him accountable at all.