Hydrogen was promised to be the next industrial revolution, I remember GWB signing some government giveaway to create a hydrogen economy, but it was held back or fell out of favor compared to Electric. I'm not necessarily saying it was held back intentionally. Hydrogen has a lot of its own problems.
More likely I'm thinking the recent developments and announcements are coinciding with investors who are simply trying to drum up more interest.
Frankly, I feel like hydrogen is less of a dead end than trying to min-max and optimize on the electric car batteries. Especially when we still have multiple hurdles to overcome when it comes to expanding our options with energy storage.
You're right that hydrogen is less of a dead end than Lithium batteries. The problem is, the whole thing with fossil fuel bans is meant to be a dead end for individual mobility. We're not going to be zooming around in affordable personal vehicles that can go 1000km on a small 5kg tank of fuel that's easily swapped or refilled in 60 seconds, we're not meant to - we're meant to sit in our bugpods and consume metaproduct while slowly dying of malnutrition despite being horrifically obese.
Eeeeh, sure, but even the 12V/55Ah lead battery in my 15 years old ICE car could power a camera and a 4G transmitter for a few months and still hold enough charge to start the engine. It's not something that's exclusive to EVs, you could do that with any new car.
Yeah it can be done if you specifically set out to make a battery-powered camera. You can't just turn a normal car on to standby and have it last long. Especially not if you're running facial recognition on the car's computer.
If you're on a 4 year old lead battery you're going to notice and care if it's drawing a dozen watts all the time, but with an EV you won't even notice a .1 kWh drain.
If it was GWB then I suspect that was reason enough for left leaning folks to do the opposite. That was when "who Killed the electric car" came out and all my lefty friends gave big opinions on cars to me. They didn't actually watch the show and it's many many holes
Well, I'm guessing the EV grift is coming to an end, with Europe's sky-high electricity prices and threats of rolling blackouts and with California, the cuckmobile capital of the world, telling people to stop charging their bug wagons because there isn't enough power. So it's time to set up a shiny new grift.
Of course, what the niggercattle don't realize is that you can either produce hydrogen by electrolysis, by using a ridiculous amount of energy Europe doesn't have, or from natural gas, which Europe also doesn't have. They'll realize it in another decade, the same way they did with EVs, but not sooner. And I'm not even mentioning storage and distribution, lol.
Plus yeah, as someone mentioned, it's possible TPTB want to kill off Tesla to get back at the supreme shitposter.
End of the financial quarter pump and dump scheme trying to take advantage of the energy crises and Tesla's disfavor with the drug huffing, child-humping elites.
Isn't it mostly Japanese car companies, or at least Asian? Japan has been working on fuel cell cars for ages, maybe things just all came together at the same time. They don't seem to be nearly as all in on battery electric and killing the gas engine as the west.
I suspect it's people gearing up for future space programs. If you can make a hydrogen car work on Earth, it'll help when it's time to build a hydrogen car for the moon.
1 There has been literal decades of R&D poured into fuel cells, The last time hydrogen was big was the early 2000s, and there were times before that as well. There is a lot of desire to cash in on that investment.
2 Now with the infrastructure bill of 2021 there is a $3/kg tax credit for green hydrogen, meaning electrolysis of water. Sure it will take 55 kWh to produce that kg of (compressed) hydrogen, but $3 per kg goes a long way toward covering the cost of electricity On top of that the hydrogen can be sold at retail (currently) for $10/kg or more.
Of course that "cheap" green hydrogen is going to cost taxpayers a lot of money, and will inflate electrical costs for everyone (green hydrogen producers will buy all cheap electricity, leaving the expensive stuff for residential customers). However get the formula right and green H2 producers will be printing money like crazy.
There is also a huge subsidy for direct air capture of CO2, $180/ton. This will also consume massive amounts of electricity and be a license to print money for those that can do it for less than $180/ton.
How exactly this is going to play out is difficult to say, but look for your electric bill to be sky high, recharging your electric car at night will be very expensive. heck you will be lucky to even own a car
I wouldn't say fusion is a total dead end, it's just not as immediately efficient to focus our pursuit on when we have other options available right now. Minus the time it takes to build new nuclear plants of course.
The thing is, you can run a hydrogen infrastructure off either. It just needs a shit-ton of electrical power to crack water into hydrogen, it's really not fussed about the source of it.
Someone in power decided it's time to kill Tesla?
Hydrogen was promised to be the next industrial revolution, I remember GWB signing some government giveaway to create a hydrogen economy, but it was held back or fell out of favor compared to Electric. I'm not necessarily saying it was held back intentionally. Hydrogen has a lot of its own problems.
Japan is going all in on red hydrogen research
More likely I'm thinking the recent developments and announcements are coinciding with investors who are simply trying to drum up more interest.
Frankly, I feel like hydrogen is less of a dead end than trying to min-max and optimize on the electric car batteries. Especially when we still have multiple hurdles to overcome when it comes to expanding our options with energy storage.
You're right that hydrogen is less of a dead end than Lithium batteries. The problem is, the whole thing with fossil fuel bans is meant to be a dead end for individual mobility. We're not going to be zooming around in affordable personal vehicles that can go 1000km on a small 5kg tank of fuel that's easily swapped or refilled in 60 seconds, we're not meant to - we're meant to sit in our bugpods and consume metaproduct while slowly dying of malnutrition despite being horrifically obese.
Also electric cars are Always On. They have so much energy stored they can record video and send it to the feds for months even when not plugged in.
Eeeeh, sure, but even the 12V/55Ah lead battery in my 15 years old ICE car could power a camera and a 4G transmitter for a few months and still hold enough charge to start the engine. It's not something that's exclusive to EVs, you could do that with any new car.
Yeah it can be done if you specifically set out to make a battery-powered camera. You can't just turn a normal car on to standby and have it last long. Especially not if you're running facial recognition on the car's computer.
If you're on a 4 year old lead battery you're going to notice and care if it's drawing a dozen watts all the time, but with an EV you won't even notice a .1 kWh drain.
If it was GWB then I suspect that was reason enough for left leaning folks to do the opposite. That was when "who Killed the electric car" came out and all my lefty friends gave big opinions on cars to me. They didn't actually watch the show and it's many many holes
Well, I'm guessing the EV grift is coming to an end, with Europe's sky-high electricity prices and threats of rolling blackouts and with California, the cuckmobile capital of the world, telling people to stop charging their bug wagons because there isn't enough power. So it's time to set up a shiny new grift.
Of course, what the niggercattle don't realize is that you can either produce hydrogen by electrolysis, by using a ridiculous amount of energy Europe doesn't have, or from natural gas, which Europe also doesn't have. They'll realize it in another decade, the same way they did with EVs, but not sooner. And I'm not even mentioning storage and distribution, lol.
Plus yeah, as someone mentioned, it's possible TPTB want to kill off Tesla to get back at the supreme shitposter.
There are not. I've seen a few posts on this sub, but none of that was new shit.
fuel cell cars have been around for years. they're just nowhere near as popular as electric vehicles for a number of reasons.
I don't know why THIS SUB started seeing shitloads of posts about AI art though.
The perfect equation.
Lawl.. fallout4 cars exploding like small tactical nukes after a few bullets pumped into it.
End of the financial quarter pump and dump scheme trying to take advantage of the energy crises and Tesla's disfavor with the drug huffing, child-humping elites.
Isn't it mostly Japanese car companies, or at least Asian? Japan has been working on fuel cell cars for ages, maybe things just all came together at the same time. They don't seem to be nearly as all in on battery electric and killing the gas engine as the west.
I've seen one European car, but most of them are Japanese.
I suspect it's people gearing up for future space programs. If you can make a hydrogen car work on Earth, it'll help when it's time to build a hydrogen car for the moon.
That makes sense.
1 There has been literal decades of R&D poured into fuel cells, The last time hydrogen was big was the early 2000s, and there were times before that as well. There is a lot of desire to cash in on that investment.
2 Now with the infrastructure bill of 2021 there is a $3/kg tax credit for green hydrogen, meaning electrolysis of water. Sure it will take 55 kWh to produce that kg of (compressed) hydrogen, but $3 per kg goes a long way toward covering the cost of electricity On top of that the hydrogen can be sold at retail (currently) for $10/kg or more.
Of course that "cheap" green hydrogen is going to cost taxpayers a lot of money, and will inflate electrical costs for everyone (green hydrogen producers will buy all cheap electricity, leaving the expensive stuff for residential customers). However get the formula right and green H2 producers will be printing money like crazy.
There is also a huge subsidy for direct air capture of CO2, $180/ton. This will also consume massive amounts of electricity and be a license to print money for those that can do it for less than $180/ton.
How exactly this is going to play out is difficult to say, but look for your electric bill to be sky high, recharging your electric car at night will be very expensive. heck you will be lucky to even own a car
nuclear fusion is a total dead end and isn't going to become viable ever using the methods being researched now.
nuclear fission is a million times better in every way, and actually works, but tree hugging hippies are stupidly fixated on fusion.
I wouldn't say fusion is a total dead end, it's just not as immediately efficient to focus our pursuit on when we have other options available right now. Minus the time it takes to build new nuclear plants of course.
The thing is, you can run a hydrogen infrastructure off either. It just needs a shit-ton of electrical power to crack water into hydrogen, it's really not fussed about the source of it.