I tried that but apparently Snopes is a "left-wing propaganda site trying to discredit right-wing facts". 🤦♂️ Then we got into an argument because I said there is no such thing as "right-wing facts". There are facts and lies. If facts disprove your statement then it is a lie. We are living in scary times.
Fact checking isn’t a thing. There is no certification or credential associated with “fact checking”. The people who do it are total randos who are no more qualified than you or me.
Journalists are supposed to deal exclusively in facts already. That they have turned to a whole other made-up profession to do that job for them is a huge indictment of journalists everywhere.
I've told leftists I know that I won't engage in deep discussions with them if they can't agree with me on things like the existence of absolute moral truths, as we have no common ground at a foundational level.
Why discuss politics with someone who thinks men can be pregnant, it is a waste of time until you can get them to agree there is objective reality.
You basically have to slowly de-radicalize your family. It's going to take some time, but keep offering alternative perspectives on non-threatening issues. And if it's a contentious issue, only hit on agreeable points.
I never challenged the injection's efficacy fully, but if someone had a moment of lucidity and said "We have to get boosters because the vaccine doesn't prevent infection entirely", I'd respond with "Right, the vaccine only reduces the viral load on the body, given that you're infected with the correct strain of the virus. You're only protected for 3 months, 6 months tops".
"Yes, I'm getting the vaccine, I'm just waiting for the protein-based one. The MRNA one is still experimental. Drumpf allowed it through without a lot of safety checks."
"We shouldn't abolish the police, but we should think about how we need to have people take more responsibility in policing their own communities."
"Each Life Matters"
"Each Life Matters... differently"
"I understand what Black Lives Matter is trying to advocate for, but I don't think that Michael Brown / Jacob Blake / Trayvon Martin / Breonna Taylor / Philando Castile / Sandra Bland / Mkylah Bryant / Antonio Martin / (any other shooting than the one they are focused on) is a good example"
^ This one is particularly useful because BLM supporters don't fucking remember the last person they were deifying, and sometimes entirely drop people from their list.
What, don't you remember Antonio Martin? I like to harp on that case because of how extreme the BLM was response was that night, and how quickly it was memory-holed. I'll put it in a totally different reply so it doesn't use up too much space.
Another good one is that Progressives hate Neo-Liberals, which allows you to basically hit all of your complaints about Fabian Socialism by swapping out words.
Hell, you can just rant about "Corporatism" and "Syndicalism" forever. They think there is literally no difference between Corporatism, Syndicalism, and Capitalism.
That's my advice for trying to slowly de-radicalize people from the cult.
On December 23rd, 2014 a Berkley, Missouri police officer walked up to two unknown black men in a gas station. He talked to them, then Antonio pulled a gun and tried shooting the officer at point blank range. He fucked up, and got shot several times in the chest. The officer called for back-up, and secured the scene. Mr. Martin was already dead by the time the ambulance showed up, but within literally 30 minutes of the shooting, a crowd spurred on by BLM had already arrived. A pastor started screaming at the cops that it was unacceptable that Mr. Martin was lying on the ground. They were waiting for the coroner and homicide detectives and didn't want to disturb the body. But as the crowd grew in size, it became more aggressive. They removed Mr. Martin's body from the scene. This agitated people in the crowd who now claimed the police were hiding evidence. The crowd grew in size and aggression. The cops were still trying to process the scene when people tried rushing the gas station, well past the police line. More police re-enforcement were needed to hold the gas station. Then fireworks began being thrown at cops in the gas station. Then the crowd got larger, angrier, and rushed the police line again, creating a violent brawl in-between the gas pumps. Every available unit was called in to secure the scene, and the crowd started being pushed back by riot police. The rioters then withdrew across the street. Across the street and up the hill, over an hour later, drew a gun and fired at the police line wounding one officer. A white leftist recorded the event and gloated that "this wouldn't have happened if you had done what you were supposed to do".
Some of you have probably seen parts of that footage and thought it was just generally part of Mike Brown rioting. No, it's from a completely different shooting after Mike Brown's shooting: the Antonio Martin shooting. The Media wanted to get on it too, but the police released the footage, the media needed to bury the fact that BLM attacked police officers, destroyed a crime scene, tried to blow up a gas station, and attempted to assassinate a cop, all because a gang-banger tried to shoot a cop in cold blood. About a month after the shooting, I brought this up to a screeching Leftist on Reddit, and their response was: "Who? I've never heard of him. We're not talking about that right now."
It should have, but unfortunately, it took until a BLM terrorist attack on the Dallas PD killed 5, and the dude had to be blown up by a fucking bomb robot with explosives attached to it... at a BLM rally joined & supported by the Dallas PD.
Libs are told from birth that if you want to be a good person, you have to be a lib, and anyone who chooses not to be a lib is willfully choosing to be evil. So of course they honestly believe that anyone who disagrees with them in evil. It's what they've been programmed to believe. It's what their masters want them to believe to use them as a weapon.
When my brother decided not to attend Christmas because my brother-in-law an actual doctor did not take the shot and and that same leftist brother well his daughter discussed about raising her kid gender neutral (not married, no boyfriend thank god) and how she raises her cat vegan, you know for the good of the family I avoid them now. There is no fucking way in hell am I going to keep quiet when they bring up leftardation from the coasts when they come to family gatherings. They can't read the room, they are surrounded by Trump voters and some of the shit they say requires me to start bringing up hard incontrovertible proof - they go to their phone to verify (which motherfucking insults the hell out of me) and they get a stupid look on their face and make excuses. That is the shit that really bothers me, they don't trust fucking family now. I had to go through the USMCA and how it helped the working class when they stated Trump hurts the working class - you know from a couple living off a trust fund worth millions like they give a crap about blue collar people, what they vote for directly hurts us and impoverish the working class.
I get why people want to avoid the other side. The left only has fairness and care from the moral foundations, they lack the rest. The conservatives are balanced between all 6 of them. Its why leftards were all about redoing the Cathedral of Notre Dame when it got culturally enriched and burned to the ground while conservatives (sanctity) wanted it rebuilt as it was.
The problem is the left has been so corralled into extremist views they might as well be wearing armbands at the moment. I avoid them including hard left family members now.
I am sorry friend. It's an ugly scene, turning into Portland up there. It, along with much of the westcoast, is the beating heart and swelling pocket of what is wrong with this country. Also, fuck Inslee.
Leave as soon as you can. I also moved from CA to WA and finally left WA a few months ago. West coast npcs are on a whole different level compared to the rest of the country.
When they removed all trump supporters they radicalized their site
Rofl. Imagine thinking snopes cares about facts.
Next he'll think politfact care about them, too!
Fact checking isn’t a thing. There is no certification or credential associated with “fact checking”. The people who do it are total randos who are no more qualified than you or me.
Journalists are supposed to deal exclusively in facts already. That they have turned to a whole other made-up profession to do that job for them is a huge indictment of journalists everywhere.
False. It is abundantly clear that they select democrats for the role.
I've told leftists I know that I won't engage in deep discussions with them if they can't agree with me on things like the existence of absolute moral truths, as we have no common ground at a foundational level.
Why discuss politics with someone who thinks men can be pregnant, it is a waste of time until you can get them to agree there is objective reality.
You basically have to slowly de-radicalize your family. It's going to take some time, but keep offering alternative perspectives on non-threatening issues. And if it's a contentious issue, only hit on agreeable points.
I never challenged the injection's efficacy fully, but if someone had a moment of lucidity and said "We have to get boosters because the vaccine doesn't prevent infection entirely", I'd respond with "Right, the vaccine only reduces the viral load on the body, given that you're infected with the correct strain of the virus. You're only protected for 3 months, 6 months tops".
"Yes, I'm getting the vaccine, I'm just waiting for the protein-based one. The MRNA one is still experimental. Drumpf allowed it through without a lot of safety checks."
"We shouldn't abolish the police, but we should think about how we need to have people take more responsibility in policing their own communities."
"Each Life Matters"
"Each Life Matters... differently"
"I understand what Black Lives Matter is trying to advocate for, but I don't think that Michael Brown / Jacob Blake / Trayvon Martin / Breonna Taylor / Philando Castile / Sandra Bland / Mkylah Bryant / Antonio Martin / (any other shooting than the one they are focused on) is a good example"
^ This one is particularly useful because BLM supporters don't fucking remember the last person they were deifying, and sometimes entirely drop people from their list.
What, don't you remember Antonio Martin? I like to harp on that case because of how extreme the BLM was response was that night, and how quickly it was memory-holed. I'll put it in a totally different reply so it doesn't use up too much space.
Another good one is that Progressives hate Neo-Liberals, which allows you to basically hit all of your complaints about Fabian Socialism by swapping out words.
Hell, you can just rant about "Corporatism" and "Syndicalism" forever. They think there is literally no difference between Corporatism, Syndicalism, and Capitalism.
That's my advice for trying to slowly de-radicalize people from the cult.
Shooting of Antonio Martin:
On December 23rd, 2014 a Berkley, Missouri police officer walked up to two unknown black men in a gas station. He talked to them, then Antonio pulled a gun and tried shooting the officer at point blank range. He fucked up, and got shot several times in the chest. The officer called for back-up, and secured the scene. Mr. Martin was already dead by the time the ambulance showed up, but within literally 30 minutes of the shooting, a crowd spurred on by BLM had already arrived. A pastor started screaming at the cops that it was unacceptable that Mr. Martin was lying on the ground. They were waiting for the coroner and homicide detectives and didn't want to disturb the body. But as the crowd grew in size, it became more aggressive. They removed Mr. Martin's body from the scene. This agitated people in the crowd who now claimed the police were hiding evidence. The crowd grew in size and aggression. The cops were still trying to process the scene when people tried rushing the gas station, well past the police line. More police re-enforcement were needed to hold the gas station. Then fireworks began being thrown at cops in the gas station. Then the crowd got larger, angrier, and rushed the police line again, creating a violent brawl in-between the gas pumps. Every available unit was called in to secure the scene, and the crowd started being pushed back by riot police. The rioters then withdrew across the street. Across the street and up the hill, over an hour later, drew a gun and fired at the police line wounding one officer. A white leftist recorded the event and gloated that "this wouldn't have happened if you had done what you were supposed to do".
Some of you have probably seen parts of that footage and thought it was just generally part of Mike Brown rioting. No, it's from a completely different shooting after Mike Brown's shooting: the Antonio Martin shooting. The Media wanted to get on it too, but the police released the footage, the media needed to bury the fact that BLM attacked police officers, destroyed a crime scene, tried to blow up a gas station, and attempted to assassinate a cop, all because a gang-banger tried to shoot a cop in cold blood. About a month after the shooting, I brought this up to a screeching Leftist on Reddit, and their response was: "Who? I've never heard of him. We're not talking about that right now."
Even if that had been a bad shoot their actions completely de-legitimize their movement
It should have, but unfortunately, it took until a BLM terrorist attack on the Dallas PD killed 5, and the dude had to be blown up by a fucking bomb robot with explosives attached to it... at a BLM rally joined & supported by the Dallas PD.
you're the weird one in the family
Libs are told from birth that if you want to be a good person, you have to be a lib, and anyone who chooses not to be a lib is willfully choosing to be evil. So of course they honestly believe that anyone who disagrees with them in evil. It's what they've been programmed to believe. It's what their masters want them to believe to use them as a weapon.
Wow. A lot of my extended family is on the left. I interact with them without heated debates. It’s possible
Remember, you're not talking politics, you're talking human rights
First and second amendments describe rights, do they not? ;)
When my brother decided not to attend Christmas because my brother-in-law an actual doctor did not take the shot and and that same leftist brother well his daughter discussed about raising her kid gender neutral (not married, no boyfriend thank god) and how she raises her cat vegan, you know for the good of the family I avoid them now. There is no fucking way in hell am I going to keep quiet when they bring up leftardation from the coasts when they come to family gatherings. They can't read the room, they are surrounded by Trump voters and some of the shit they say requires me to start bringing up hard incontrovertible proof - they go to their phone to verify (which motherfucking insults the hell out of me) and they get a stupid look on their face and make excuses. That is the shit that really bothers me, they don't trust fucking family now. I had to go through the USMCA and how it helped the working class when they stated Trump hurts the working class - you know from a couple living off a trust fund worth millions like they give a crap about blue collar people, what they vote for directly hurts us and impoverish the working class.
I get why people want to avoid the other side. The left only has fairness and care from the moral foundations, they lack the rest. The conservatives are balanced between all 6 of them. Its why leftards were all about redoing the Cathedral of Notre Dame when it got culturally enriched and burned to the ground while conservatives (sanctity) wanted it rebuilt as it was.
The problem is the left has been so corralled into extremist views they might as well be wearing armbands at the moment. I avoid them including hard left family members now.
https://moralfoundations.org/
Only answer: Get a job and face the real world, you useless hole.
I am sorry friend. It's an ugly scene, turning into Portland up there. It, along with much of the westcoast, is the beating heart and swelling pocket of what is wrong with this country. Also, fuck Inslee.
Leave as soon as you can. I also moved from CA to WA and finally left WA a few months ago. West coast npcs are on a whole different level compared to the rest of the country.
Unfortunately Idaho is getting built up like crazy too and is almost as expensive as WA and OR now.
Damn back in the day I wanted to live in Washington State, beautiful state, especially being able to see Mt. Rainier in the distance.
Shame what the I-5 corridor has done to that state.
But instead I'll stay in my purple state on the east coast for now, try to do my part against the blue zombie horde.