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FuckGenderPolitics 39 points ago +40 / -1

The fundamental flaw in the MRA movement is that men will never convince feminists that they're human and deserving of dignity. If they were able to accept men's humanity they wouldn't be feminists. The reason feminism worked is because despite all their claims to the contrary women were valued prior to feminism, and they were able to tar their opponents as misogynists. Men won't be able to do that with the genders reversed. Our only option is to walk away and try to accelerate the collapse so we can build something that works in its place.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 8 points ago +13 / -5

Our only option is to walk away and try to accelerate the collapse so we can build something that works in its place.

Or build our movement around the idea that we can't convert the opposition, so we don't pander to them. We have to make sure we speak harsh truths about them.

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Adamrises 4 points ago +4 / -0

men will never convince feminists

Its not just feminists, its society in general. Evolution has made men disposable, so they will always be seen as such. No amount of posturing will change that, and the sooner we work within that framework instead of trying to change it the sooner we make headway.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 0 points ago +4 / -4

I refuse to accept that we are constrained to our biological prison when the enemy are not.

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Adamrises 7 points ago +7 / -0

Well then maybe you should realize we are all in that prison. They are jailed by their own prison as well.

Just go out and watch them try and convince themselves they are happy and enjoy their "freedom" while their biological instincts collapse under the weight of their sluttery and childlessness.

And while I offer them no empathy for that as they don't for us, closing your ears saying "NU UH NOPE!!! NOT US WE AREN'T BIOLOGICAL CREATURES" is the exact thing they do to try and hide that fact. Pushing you closer to them than anyone else, as always.

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TheImpossible1 [S] -3 points ago +2 / -5

Everyone can be stronger than their base instincts. Some people, mainly women, choose not to be.

You think that they just cruise control into affairs and things along those lines? No, they make conscious choices.

Everything they do is a conscious choice, and they always choose malice.

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Adamrises 4 points ago +4 / -0

Everyone can be stronger than their base instincts.

Yes, on an individual level. Society however is made up of a strong majority who do not. Which means you will never change basic instinctual facts and beliefs.

The same way thousands of years of trying has done little to "normalize and/or celebrate" sluttery, because men (and women too) will not give up that one entirely. Even the most staunch pro-slut person isn't as pro as they seem once you talk to them for 2 minutes.

Learning to work within the frameworks that exist is the only method that can help anyone, rather than rage impotently like a child about it. Unlike you I actually want to help men instead of just whine about women all day. And part of that is making them realize they won't be getting empathy from anyone, so they should focus their energies on other things instead of despairing about it.

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TheImpossible1 [S] -3 points ago +2 / -5

Just because we can't get empathy, doesn't mean we should accept a role as lesser people.

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Adamrises 3 points ago +3 / -0

Well you keep convincing men to waste time duct taping sunk ships until they kill themselves in despair. I'm sure that'll show the women who get to jerk off watching their simps struggle fruitlessly with zero loss to themselves.

As always, your entire plan does nothing but make men's lot worse because you think your the first person to ever be woke.

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IncomingCorrection 23 points ago +23 / -0

Appeasement doesn't work. If you want empathy, you need leverage and power.

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TomSeeSaw 12 points ago +12 / -0

Women will get my 'empathy' when they are the underdog. Not while they are legal & social superiors.

Otherwise it is an endeavor in trying to become physically inferior to women. (Leaving aside the whack-my-doodle crowd)

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Galean 11 points ago +11 / -0

Are they saying feminists have emphaty? Since when?

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TheImpossible1 [S] 11 points ago +14 / -3

He's replying to someone who said that men's activism is too anti-woman.

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LawNmowermaN 15 points ago +15 / -0

men's activism is too anti-woman

The SCUM manifesto (among other things advocating violence against men) is still taught as mainstream feminist theory even though its author Valerie Solanas attempted to kill Andy Warhol. "Ressentiment" is considered legitimate. Modern feminist privilege theory literally posits that all men are inherently bigoted and tyrannical. Feminist organizations organized protests that successfully shut down Dr. Warren Farrell when he's tried to give talks on male suicide and how to prevent it. Feminist organizations have successfully blocked the funding of shelters for abused men. Feminist lobbyists fought for decades to preserve the Duluth Model (favoring the preventative arrest of males in domestic disputes rather than equal presumptions). Nearly every elected woman will proudly assert her feminist cred; even republican women will do so after first clarifying that they mean first-wave feminism. These are mainstream, not just random bloggers.

Men's activism has no mainstream. Even among the random commenters and bloggers, you'd be hard pressed to find any who support the actions of the two or three men who frequented those sites and went on to do any harm, and the connection between those men and any motivation by men's rights activism is pretty tenuous. There is not a single male politician at the national level who would describe himself as a men's rights advocate.

Sometimes you just have to accept you're fighting an unfair battle instead of hoping to outdo your opponent in kindness and self-restraint.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 3 points ago +7 / -4

https://communities.win/c/KotakuInAction2/p/16ZE9KK8hi/today-is-international-mens-day-/c

I think you should read my summary of the year, it feeds into what you said.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 2 points ago +6 / -4

Men's activism has no mainstream.

That's not true, we have the Brookings Institute, a Melinda Gates funded grift to hide the real issues. You can tell because mainstream media still let them speak.

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Galean 11 points ago +11 / -0

That makes more sense. So they plan on being cucks in the hopes that women will just be nice to them? Do they know the "women are wonderful" study? The reason it worked for women is because men favor women, women do not favor men, it will never work in the other direction.

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FuckGenderPolitics 11 points ago +11 / -0

What a retard. Let me guess: r/mensrights? They call anything pro male misogynistic. The fag should go to r/menslib where he can talk about cross dressing and painting his nails while doing absolutely nothing to address the real issues men face.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 3 points ago +6 / -3

Funny story, I got several top posts there during my early days of being anti-feminist.

Eventually I got too radical and they banned me.

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evilmathmagician2 5 points ago +5 / -0

Should anyone care if it's anti-woman? Women have millions of supporters already. They can enjoy that support without it coming from every single living creature on the planet.

This kind of shit is just keeping men's activism further away from public attention. "No, this is too useful, we need to let our outgroup have more!" is idiotic, in situations like this.

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Adamrises 3 points ago +3 / -0

men's activism is too anti-woman.

God I wish. Those cucks would drop every principle they had for a "based" woman to say a few things agreeing with them.

On wait, they already did. Hi Karen Straughn. You were a bitch 15 years ago and I doubt you've improved.

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alucard13mmfmj 8 points ago +8 / -0

we live in a time where empathy and sympathy is a weakness that is exploited by the commies... it only works if we are all one people that celebrate COMMONALITIES. not celebrating differences and the division it causes. the divided groups use empathy to gain power at the expense of others and each other.

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SarcasticRidley 4 points ago +4 / -0

Do we even really celebrate differences? The only things I see being celebrated are bowing to the hive mind.

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Ahaus667 8 points ago +10 / -2

Women are incapable of empathy, what they describe when they claim they are “empathetic” is sympathy. They can only view themselves in others circumstances, not understand how the other feels and acts. Empathy would require emotional control not emotional hysteria and tyranny.

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LastRights 5 points ago +5 / -0

Contemporary feminists are the most vicious, spiteful and underhanded people on the planet. There is nothing positive that I would ascribe to them, especially those in the 'journalistic' (rofl) profession.

The burden of proof is on them to establish that they're in fact functional human beings, in opposed to the warped comic book caricatures that they 9 out of 10 times are.

Normal people don't get away with the kind of things that a feminist shouts from the rooftop every single day, rofl. No joke, either. These people are a special breed of malevolence that I associate with the Khmer Rouge and other organizations in history.

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freespeechsquid 5 points ago +5 / -0

If you keep giving to someone who only takes, they will forever take from you and give you nothing. That is how incentives work.

'Treat people well so they'll treat you well' sounds great and all but it assumes you're dealing with people who are capable of decency and good faith. Sometimes you have to acknowledge that you are not, and progress from carrot to stick.

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TheImpossible1 [S] 5 points ago +10 / -5

It's been more than any ten years. Try fifty.

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Steampunk_Moustache 6 points ago +6 / -0

Try twelve thousand years. Humanity's direction was set then, when 17% of men reproduced with 80% of women.

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FuckGenderPolitics 15 points ago +15 / -0

The whole point of monogamy was to give the other 83% of men a stake in society so they would help build and maintain civilization instead of seeking to burn it to the ground. That's starting to crumble now that women are reverting to pre-agricultural revolution sexual dynamics. It's going to take more than Chad and Tyrone to keep this going, and the whole thing will probably have to come crashing down before men realize that (women don't give a fuck of course).

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TheImpossible1 [S] -1 points ago +5 / -6

So women have always been terrible and we were just held back by religion from realizing.

Not sure that's the point you wanted to make.

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Assassin47 12 points ago +12 / -0

Religion developed to constrain those biological impulses just enough to have a stable society.

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TheImpossible1 [S] -1 points ago +4 / -5

It didn't constrain anything, it just kept men in blissful ignorance.

"Good Christian" women had no issues with riding Nazi dick during WW2, for example. And that was before the "Sexual Revolution" that tradcons blame everything on.

The funny thing is, the first thing you learn about women in the Bible is that they're untrustworthy trash, who betrayed the entirety of humanity by disobeying God...yet the followers of Christianity twist that into them being good people somehow!

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Steampunk_Moustache 5 points ago +5 / -0

The 17 gigachads hold more authority than the 80 women.

That's why the 80 women spread their legs for them. Women don't fuck men without authority.

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TheImpossible1 [S] -3 points ago +4 / -7

TL;DR women can't evolve past base instincts.

The exact thing that women's pets, the race war cuckolds, criticize black people for, ignoring that pre-Great Society, where women did what they do best - stab humanity in the back - black communities were actually starting to do well.

No shit they can't go past base instincts now, they're just like the people who raised them!

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Steampunk_Moustache 3 points ago +3 / -0

where women did what they do best - stab humanity in the back

Yes and no.

Women select for the most dominant 17% (you'll usually hear it rounded up to 20% in modern contexts) of men, and they select against the rest.

We are in the middle of a society-wide shit-test. Of course, it still won't effect any man in the top 17%, but it will effect the rest, as women condemn their genes to oblivion.

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Adamrises 3 points ago +3 / -0

Generally, people need to not be in overwhelming despair and rage every moment of the day to survive. If everyone was as "woke" to the ways of women as you, you'd never have existed because we would have been extinct tens of thousands of years ago.

So systems developed to try and make things work, by constraining both genders into a machine that flourished.

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TomSeeSaw 2 points ago +2 / -0

Three fiddy?

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Tourgen 3 points ago +3 / -0

we don't want or need more empathy. empathy is a feminine trait suited for raising small children. Men have sympathy, which is quite different. You can be sympathetic but still oppositional. You can have sympathy independent of any emotional response.

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ipproductions 1 point ago +2 / -1

if u give them empathy, they dont respect u because ur being a pussy and women like men, not emasculate eunuchs who give in at the first sign of losing a little bit of potential pussy

ps: i slapped my gf today cuz she was being irational, she's here fine, listening to me even more