Well that's because certain little factoids from the case look so incredibly bad that they had no defense possible. So they had to concoct entire narratives to avoid talking about them.
That's why Ruby Ridge focused so heavily on the "religious Nazi extremist" angle, and Waco had them try to concoct some "they set the fires themselves, it was all suicide!!" story.
Practically everyone were on the "religious Nazi extremist" side during the siege and especially during the trial (when Randy Weaver's advocate didn't even actually defend him as just attacked the state), including mainstream media. The NYT called it the feds' "PR disaster".
The said defender when first meeting his client:
"My name is Gerry Spence" I began. "I'm the lawyer you've been told about. Before we begin to talk I want you to understand that I do not share any of your political or religious beliefs. Many of my dearest friends are Jews. My daughter is married to a Jew. My sister is married to a black man. She has adopted a black child. I deplore what the Nazis stand for. If I defend you I will not defend your political beliefs or your religious beliefs, but your right as an American citizen to a fair trial." His quiet answer was, "That is all I ask."
And then he demolished the prosecution by just attacking their lies, and rested his case. And so Weaver got convicted of only his failure to appear in court in the original shotgun case, and then he and the family settled their own lawsuit "against the United States and its employees" for a couple million.
I think one of the most poignant things Sowell ever said was that that there was always a correct answer and always a political answer. The same thing can be seen in his works, there is always a correct history and a political history. Like with the answers, society is taught the latter, with the former waiting for those willing to brush the dust off it’s tomes.
The article is quite a whopper, calling this fellow a "family man". Yeah, a family man who killed another man's 14-year-old boy.
I looked into this story a bit, and I found the claim that Sammy Weaver had been shooting at the marshals after they executed his dog. Is there any actual evidence for this? Seems unlikely to me, he's 14 and he was shot in the back. On the other hand, as low as my opinion of government officials it, it seems not very likely that they would shoot at a 14-year-old for no reason (if only because they would suffer reputational damage, as they did).
Not just any bumblefuck sniper, an elite FBI Hostage Rescue Team sniper who graduated from West Point. Who then went on to fuck up Waco after fucking up Ruby Ridge.
Anyone that says "only trained police and military should have guns" needs to deepthroat a cactus.
The FBI sniper shot the woman with baby when called to the siege. The kid died in the initial shootout with the USM (chance encounter with the dudes who have been spying on them for weeks).
Moreso, anyone who would raise arms against any family (including pets) without just cause deserves to die, plain and simple. Being a government operative doesn’t give you license to harm others under the constitution, and the founders were very intentional about that.
From my understanding of the event, Sammy shot at them. But they were suspicious trespassers on his property, who had just slaughtered his dog. He had every single right to fire upon them, both legally and logically. Him being shot in the back was an attempted retreat as well. The Marshall's literally went there to "test" the dogs, and when one reacted like a fucking dog did they were shocked that the two guys followed the dog's barking.
In fact, they knew from the start they had fucked up bad. That's why they went into hard denial of even pretending anyone shot at the boy. Including the FBI "evidence" collection missing numerous bullets that the local sheriff office was able to just wander around and find later.
Like, every single aspect of the Ruby Ridge story can only be justified if you think the government is above the law and can do whatever they want to you, and you are supposed to grovel for their mercy or else they will rain hell upon you.
I understand not wanting to throw your own under the bus, but that's why there are certain things you just don't talk about rather than draw any attention to.
Like, all Ruby Ridge showed was that the Marshalls were incompetent, retarded, and incredibly terrible in every category. Trying to milk sympathy out of that is one of the dumbest things you can do.
Its truly something to behold such a flagrant act of tone deafness and mockery of human life.
Ruby Ridge I can almost understand as a set of blunders stacking up in the worst ways possible. Waco was an outright ego stroke of actual evil acts done in the name of popularity.
Shit, as someone who is, uh, not a fan of federal forces, I still expect better from the Marshals. This is straight up ATF-level shit, they love to rub peoples' faces in their crimes. Heck, they celebrate International Puppy Day, or some shit. I expect at least a bit of decorum from the Marshals, and hopefully a tiny bit less evilness.
We were never supposed to have any of these fucking agencies, and they all need to go away. ATF, FBI, CIA, IRS, etc. They never should have existed, much less been allowed to give themselves all the authority they've taken.
I remember when I looked into the Weaver story I was shocked by how different the facts were from the official story. Same thing with Waco
Well that's because certain little factoids from the case look so incredibly bad that they had no defense possible. So they had to concoct entire narratives to avoid talking about them.
That's why Ruby Ridge focused so heavily on the "religious Nazi extremist" angle, and Waco had them try to concoct some "they set the fires themselves, it was all suicide!!" story.
Exactly
Practically everyone were on the "religious Nazi extremist" side during the siege and especially during the trial (when Randy Weaver's advocate didn't even actually defend him as just attacked the state), including mainstream media. The NYT called it the feds' "PR disaster".
The said defender when first meeting his client:
And then he demolished the prosecution by just attacking their lies, and rested his case. And so Weaver got convicted of only his failure to appear in court in the original shotgun case, and then he and the family settled their own lawsuit "against the United States and its employees" for a couple million.
I think one of the most poignant things Sowell ever said was that that there was always a correct answer and always a political answer. The same thing can be seen in his works, there is always a correct history and a political history. Like with the answers, society is taught the latter, with the former waiting for those willing to brush the dust off it’s tomes.
The article is quite a whopper, calling this fellow a "family man". Yeah, a family man who killed another man's 14-year-old boy.
I looked into this story a bit, and I found the claim that Sammy Weaver had been shooting at the marshals after they executed his dog. Is there any actual evidence for this? Seems unlikely to me, he's 14 and he was shot in the back. On the other hand, as low as my opinion of government officials it, it seems not very likely that they would shoot at a 14-year-old for no reason (if only because they would suffer reputational damage, as they did).
Not just any bumblefuck sniper, an elite FBI Hostage Rescue Team sniper who graduated from West Point. Who then went on to fuck up Waco after fucking up Ruby Ridge.
Anyone that says "only trained police and military should have guns" needs to deepthroat a cactus.
Man, humanity never ceases to come up with new stuff
H.G. Wells and Tesla couldn't have imagined such a future.
The FBI sniper shot the woman with baby when called to the siege. The kid died in the initial shootout with the USM (chance encounter with the dudes who have been spying on them for weeks).
“After they executed his dog”. Doesn’t matter, you shoot my dog, I’m putting every single fucking bullet I can find into you.
It’s self-defense, really. Anybody that would shoot your dog would just as likely shoot you.
Moreso, anyone who would raise arms against any family (including pets) without just cause deserves to die, plain and simple. Being a government operative doesn’t give you license to harm others under the constitution, and the founders were very intentional about that.
From my understanding of the event, Sammy shot at them. But they were suspicious trespassers on his property, who had just slaughtered his dog. He had every single right to fire upon them, both legally and logically. Him being shot in the back was an attempted retreat as well. The Marshall's literally went there to "test" the dogs, and when one reacted like a fucking dog did they were shocked that the two guys followed the dog's barking.
In fact, they knew from the start they had fucked up bad. That's why they went into hard denial of even pretending anyone shot at the boy. Including the FBI "evidence" collection missing numerous bullets that the local sheriff office was able to just wander around and find later.
Like, every single aspect of the Ruby Ridge story can only be justified if you think the government is above the law and can do whatever they want to you, and you are supposed to grovel for their mercy or else they will rain hell upon you.
I'm sure the Stasi and Schutzstaffel had family men in their ranks too.
I understand not wanting to throw your own under the bus, but that's why there are certain things you just don't talk about rather than draw any attention to.
Like, all Ruby Ridge showed was that the Marshalls were incompetent, retarded, and incredibly terrible in every category. Trying to milk sympathy out of that is one of the dumbest things you can do.
Doesn't stop the ATF from having their Waco pity party every year, with a memorial and everything.
Its truly something to behold such a flagrant act of tone deafness and mockery of human life.
Ruby Ridge I can almost understand as a set of blunders stacking up in the worst ways possible. Waco was an outright ego stroke of actual evil acts done in the name of popularity.
He's in Hell with John McCain, Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and George Floyd.
Rot in piss
Don't forget Janet Reno.
For those that don’t know, this is Ruby Ridge.
Get fucked to death fednigger.
not enough.
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Shit, as someone who is, uh, not a fan of federal forces, I still expect better from the Marshals. This is straight up ATF-level shit, they love to rub peoples' faces in their crimes. Heck, they celebrate International Puppy Day, or some shit. I expect at least a bit of decorum from the Marshals, and hopefully a tiny bit less evilness.
We were never supposed to have any of these fucking agencies, and they all need to go away. ATF, FBI, CIA, IRS, etc. They never should have existed, much less been allowed to give themselves all the authority they've taken.
They've got a lot of balls posting shit like this, I'll give 'em that.