Mormons never bothered me, but one thing I had noticed was they are very insular and always prefer Mormon politicians over non-Mormons. Hence why we can't get rid of people like Romney. At least that was my image - but the other day I was listening to a gaming stream from Razorfist where he read a superchat on the topic of insufferable Mormon politicians, and he said that in his experience Mormons are instinctively RINOs. (let's pretend that means "someone not a true right-winger") He pointed to an example of a local Arizona politician Russell Pierce who WAS a Mormon, but his own church helped kick him out of office because he wanted immigration and election reform with the Protect Arizona Now initiative and SB1070. Apparently illegal immigrants are a source of new Mormon blood?
Here is the exact timestamp of the comment. (2:49:51)
What do you guys think? Was that a one-off or is there something about modern Mormonism that makes their "conservatives" non-conservative establishment cucks?
(Obviously I mean as a group i.e. The LDS Church. Individuals can be based.)
LDS is wacky enough that anyone ambitious enough to shoot for political office is probably a two faced liar.
Either you blindly accept or refuse to analyze the religion, or you understand what it is and leverage it. Group 2 is your politicians, and I suspect most are not good people.
Group 1 is the harmless group.
I can't imagine how anyone in Group 1 can possibly contain anyone with an IQ over 90, but logically it must.
I've always thought most of these people must know the official canon of their religion is poorly fabricated bullshit, but see enough benefits in the in the community and way of life to repeat the lie with a smile.
For sure, obedient women you can collect like pokemon cards and nut inside frequently is something worth lying for.
100 IQ is average. Imagine 1000 people in a gym and think about how dumb half of them are. It’s not particularly hard to ignore things that don’t make sense and go to a cookout.
And a lot of Mormons are both preppers and willing to share. In the case of an apocalypse, converting isn’t the worst idea.
A lot of "smart" people follow socialism, leftist ideals with no basis in reality, COVID19 mandates and the latest CurrentYear activist trends as if they are a matter of life or death (until the next year when they forget about the last thing and get excited for next thing), so we know faith isn't correlated with intelligence. The only thing different between now and 200 years ago is widespread teaching of naturalism and evolution, which removed the mystery that drew some people to spirituality, but humans haven't changed.
The leadership isn't allowed to get that deep into politics unless allowed to by the heads of it. If the church actually went against the bill, it was likely members, not the church itself, that did it.
All minorities use parts of their stereotypes as a way to protect themselves. Mormons use being nice. There have been multiple groups that have gone into Utah expecting to convert Mormons enmass, they go knocking on doors and try to argue a lot. The Mormons give them cookies and other food till they can't argue and leave.
One of the biggest ant communists in the entire world also became the prophet of the church. He had been in presidential cabinets and stormed against communists for years. So I highly doubt the church itself is doing these things.
On the other hand, they don't trust the US. They don't trust any government. When the US had a civil war with Mormons, and the US had newspapers and politicians declaring how they would wipe out the people completely even to this day, it would be difficult to trust everyone. Most right leaning Mormons believe the US to be divinely guided so they can have their religion.
The Mafia is in Utah, and it runs the usual Mafia stuff. The Mormons view this as part of the US culture, and not of themselves. My favorite example is Las Vegas. It was owned by members and had mostly farms until the 1950's. The strip and it's founders ran one side, while the Mormons ran the other. There is a temple there. While it was being built pamphlets were sent out across the Rockies and into the Northwest about how the church ran the casinos. In fact, they proclaimed the church was starting one soon. It was the temple.
Atari, and sierra were started by Mormons, who used Mafia money to pay for the company. However, in both cases the people who did this left the church because the Mafia used drugs to control them.
The church itself says to follow the laws of the land so long as it doesn't go against the faith. This is how there were members in Russia and Germany throughout world war ii, and the cold war. In fact a temple was built in East Germany while the wall was still up. The guy who helped get the temple built is now a high up member. There is now a similar story in mainland china. There is said to be members in places like North Korea, but I have no real proof of it.
If you want to get into videogame history, you expect to find Mormons. They show up all the time. I've asked friends about it, and no one really knows why. Amy Chua wrote a book about how Mormons are one of 4 groups that will likely take over the world based on culture.
I don't think Mormons are republican in the same way I don't think they are democrats. They can spout off about how their faith and political beliefs work, but ultimately admit their are faults. The church supported laws that didn't allow people to be screened based on sexual orientation, religion, or race. However the same church declares homosexual acts to be a sin. It's not an either or situation like so many proclaim or desire.
Every lefty friend who is a member uses the excuse that everything needs to be nicer for the church to work. They even push for the church to allow women to have the priesthood. Then they crow about all the people leaving the church. Of course this only works in Utah and other smaller Mormon strongholds. In South America and other places it doesn't work at all, and the church now has more members outside of the US than in it.
That was a longer answer than I expected, because Mormons being Rino's is the same as saying Mormons being communists. You might find members doing that, but the church and the majority of the faith are not.
About Mormons in video game history, I recall a funny exchange from The Masters of DOOM.
John Romero: "So, you're a Mormon?"
Sandy Petersen: "Yes."
Romero: "Well, at least you're like not a Mormon that keeps pumping out tons of kids and stuff."
Petersen: "Actually, I've got five kids."
Romero: "Oh, okay, but it's not like ten or anything. But you know five's a lot, but, um, at least you're not a really hard-core card-carrying Mormon."
Petersen: "Oh, I've got my Mormon card right here!"
Romero: "Well, at least you don't wear those garments and stuff, right?"
Petersen: "Got my garments on right here!"
Romero: "Okay, okay, I'm going to shut up."
Petersen: "Look, don't worry. I have no problem with the demons in the game. They're just cartoons. And anyway, they're the bad guys."
A lot of excerpts from Masters of Doom get talked about all the time, but this is the first time I've ever seen anyone mention this one.
It's really telling and shows precisely the sort of leftist Romero would go on to become.
I didn't know anything about his politics but realized he's a crazy loon when he added "he/him" to his profile. I ignore anything that anyone with pronouns says - that rule hasn't done me wrong yet.
He's always been the guy who wants to be cooler than he actually is. If it makes him feel cooler, he will do it.
People who know him have been sending the video of Eddy Munson playing guitar on Stranger Things because it fits his character.
Nope, old Mormon blood and cheap labor. Mormons have had farms and more in Mexico since they went west. Fun Fact: a group of vacationers in Mexico killed last year were all mormons visiting relatives down there.
I remember that story well because it happened right after I got into a debate with a South American friend who has family in Mexico and loves the place. He was telling me not to believe the stories, Mexico is perfectly safe for travelers and the cartels leave regular people alone. About a month later I heard about those Mormons.
They repeatedly vote for Mitt Romney lol, I can never respect them until he's gone and even then it would take decades of basedness to overcome that all-defining group action
Mittens only won because trump was stupid enough to endorse him
He has been a politician for a lifetime
Well, Trump's older. He probably endorsed Romney when he was first born. The Way Back Machine doesn't go THAT far back, so there is no way of knowing for sure.
Wtf are you even talking about "Well Trump...." ok bro
It could be more leadership being insufferable RINOs directing how their 'flock' should vote. Same happens with Unions all the time.
Stop using this term.
The Republican party is the enemy.
Everyone you accuse of being a "RINO" is a perfectly accurate representation of the Republican Party.
I'm with you 100%, hence the qualifier in parentheses. I've been trying to tell people that for years. For this post, in context, it seemed clearer to just go with the term Razorfist and his asker used.
Fair enough. I just have a knee-jerk reaction to seeing the term at this point.
While I'm pleased to hear about at least some white people expressing in-group preference, they need to understand they have been infiltrated.
The LDS church is first and foremost a big business (they have an enormous investment portfolio.) And like every big business, they have bought into globohomo ESG nonsense.
It's a downside to any religion. While religions can be useful for support and stability, they can become institutions of their own and end up undermining whatever the point was in supporting them. There are various groups of Christians that support mass immigration because they want more converts, for example.
Well, yes, if you run a cult, and the wider population is onto your cult and you know not many will join, well, then, you need new people who never heard of you yet. Because if you can't recruit new people for to breed with, you wind up like the moon-faced Hutterite.
Yes.
Don't forget Jehova's Witnesses either. They're huge RINO's too. They follow some rule that you have to obey authority. Even if they're fascist or communist or a dictatorship.
Scratch a mormon, and you'll find a progressive underneath. I was raised in the faith, it's an incredibly cucked religion.
Why do you think that is?
Living in America has a certain kind of caustic decay of uber-liberalism. I'm being harsh really, as it's not like any other churches put out something like the Proclamation of the Family, but ultimately the waters that they exist in are leftward drifting waters.